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growing up in aberdeen you are all southerners and yes loved the subsidies tho wondered how much you enjoyed the oil....
I like Aberdeen. It's the only place I know where the ships park in the High Street, for example.

A net transfer of wealth, does however transfer from London to Scotland. But, I agree, the Oil does belong to Scotland. Which is a part of the UK, governed from London. In agreement with the voting public as we stand.
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Old 11.07.2009, 22:46
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True, but... if 'Zurchinis' ( @ Doug) can afford 2kCHF/month rent for a flat a Ticinese would pay 1k for, they'll be able to afford the mortgage payments just as easy as the Ticinese, because of proportionality. It takes the Zurchini the same amount of time to build up the necessary equity as the Ticinese. In fact, buying and renting are financially equivalent operations, just like the price of a bond is equivalent to the future income stream it generates, suitably discounted. Bottom line, if you can rent property for the long term, then you can just as easily buy it. .
Well, you may be right in a way, but most people in Zurich live in apartments with a rent of less than CHF 1500 and do not have the money even to start buying a house anywhere. And even those who have the money will not buy a house generally as it simply is not customary in Switzerland. Swiss people are renters of apartments by a vast majority. To buy houses is strange for most people in Switzerland. Even fairly wealthy folks rent two or three apartments in some different places.
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If I win in the lotto next week, I will, in addition to my apartment here, rent apartments in Geneva, Alexandria and London, but will abstain from buying anything anywhere.
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I found it odd and disappointing that during the European Cup in Switzerland; the Ticino lot supported Italy as opposed to Switzerland?
Uh, no.
If there is one thing that keeps the real Ticinese sane, is the thought of being better than the 'Taglian (Italians in the local dialect) next door.

What you have witnessed was the large italian population in Ticino.

As for your original comment, Ticino is probably the "poorest" canton in Switzerland, with lower wages and many secluded areas with a struggling economy. No surprise the impact of social security is higher there than elsewhere.
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Re: Ticino - "The Liverpool of Switzerland"

Ticino is probably the "poorest" canton in Switzerland, with lower wages and many secluded areas with a struggling economy. No surprise the impact of social security is higher there than elsewhere."

Does this mean that when/if the recession hits Switzerland, Ticino will be the first canton effected especially with regard to property development?

There appear to be lots of Sciliians living in Ticino and yet they seem to have Swiss Nationality and claiming benefits/pensions. Do the Swiss give Nationality out that easily then?
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Ticino is probably the "poorest" canton in Switzerland, with lower wages and many secluded areas with a struggling economy. No surprise the impact of social security is higher there than elsewhere."

Does this mean that when/if the recession hits Switzerland, Ticino will be the first canton effected especially with regard to property development?

There appear to be lots of Sciliians living in Ticino and yet they seem to have Swiss Nationality and claiming benefits/pensions. Do the Swiss give Nationality out that easily then?
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In general, if there is any recession, Swiss companies have a tendency to close down facilities south of the Alps. And in such a situation, property prices in cantons like Schaffhausen and Ticino will drop more than elsewhere.
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Switzerland has guidelines which mean that you need to have been fairly long (depending on Canton) in Switzerland before you even can apply to get citizenship. And you then have to accept to being scrutinized by the authorities. --- You mention Sicilians. Sicilians emigrated to Switzerland in the 1950ies and 60ies, which means more than 40 years ago. Many of them are "Secondos" which means people born and grown up in Switzerland, but for sure paying visits to their origin-areas each year or at least each second or third year. --- And why exactly should Sicilians not have Swiss nationality ?
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...Does this mean that when/if the recession hits Switzerland, Ticino will be the first canton effected especially with regard to property development...
Aha, a resentful property owner worries about his investment. Funny how soon this issue arose.

Don't worry, mate, Ticino will never see the social / environmental conditions of Dingle, Speke-Garston, Kensington or Granby. Count your blessings, they're more valuable than your portfolio.
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true, and do not forget that quite many of these homes, houses and apartments alike, are not bought but rented. And the rents in the Ticino are ways below the ones in the Zurich area.
In some areas of Ticino perhaps, rents in Lugano are similar to the Zurich ones.
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When I was a boy growing up in England, my Swiss father (originating from Luzern) used to tell me how hard working, honest and efficient the Swiss are compared to the English.

My experience living in Ticino so far is:

The majority of people seem to work for the council and customs if they work.

So many of the families are on state benefits of some kind despite owning their own houses (unusual in Switzerland) and even going into the trouble of children moving out so a parent can get extra benefits.

The wealthiest people seem to have had "cash" cleaning and labouring jobs.

Is the German part the same or am I correct in believing that the North subsidises the South of Switzerland?

You know a bit like Liverpool and London.
Cheeky not all people in liverpool are in poor jobs or benefits. Its' a bit much making this comparison, however I understand what you are getting at. Its' unfortunate that we have, liverpool, this reputation.
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Aha, a resentful property owner worries about his investment. Funny how soon this issue arose.

Don't worry, mate, Ticino will never see the social / environmental conditions of Dingle, Speke-Garston, Kensington or Granby. Count your blessings, they're more valuable than your portfolio.
Old thread I know but uncle max you seem to know the areas of liverpool well. Are you from there? I am.
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Re: Ticino - "The Liverpool of Switzerland"

This whole thread makes me wonder the sort of people that Cashboy hangs out with....and that he's gotten to the point where it's time to consider pulling up roots and moving on.
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Ticino subsidised by the German side ?

nope, more accurately would be to say that the whole country is subsidised by the money laundry organisations.
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Re: Ticino - "The Liverpool of Switzerland"

Cashboy seems to have pommes on both shoulders

Some purchase prices are actually hugely inflated. I looked at an Attica on via Zurigo which was vacant, badly in need of renovation and priced at 1.6 million francs. Yes, 4 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms plus maid living quarters with a view over the rooftops to the lake.

But 1.6 million?!?

From the stuff I've been sent in the last 4 months, there has been an adjustment in house prices in the area as things are not moving.

Oh and people are buying property and not banking their money right now, it seems.....
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Re: Ticino - "The Liverpool of Switzerland"

Somehow a very limited view but overall quite right i think.Interesting for me to read that. The flood of EU/italians doesn't help. Swiss have to go underpaid often to get jobs. This is created by the Canton Ticino. So much tax income they loose this way. Bit dumb on their part really. I could go on but--.
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When I was a boy growing up in England, my Swiss father (originating from Luzern) used to tell me how hard working, honest and efficient the Swiss are compared to the English.

My experience living in Ticino so far is:

The majority of people seem to work for the council and customs if they work.

So many of the families are on state benefits of some kind despite owning their own houses (unusual in Switzerland) and even going into the trouble of children moving out so a parent can get extra benefits.

The wealthiest people seem to have had "cash" cleaning and labouring jobs.

Is the German part the same or am I correct in believing that the North subsidises the South of Switzerland?

You know a bit like Liverpool and London.
> Yes, German speaking Switzerland in some ways IS "subsidizing" the Ticino
> But, your observations are wrong. While of course many people in that border canton work for the customs authorities and the Swiss Federal Railways and local public transport, lots of people work in the tourism sector (hotels, restaurants, bars, cafés, travel agencies) but also in the industry of this Canton)
> Your comparison with Liverpool is extremely strange, as I cannot imagine lots of Londoners to go to Liverpool for a weekend, to enjoy sunshine, nice weather, and a beautiful area
> And how many cultural festivals in Liverpool lure Brits from all around the U.K. to Liverpool ?
> Is Liverpool the destination for honeymooners from London ?
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> Yes, German speaking Switzerland in some ways IS "subsidizing" the Ticino
> But, your observations are wrong. While of course many people in that border canton work for the customs authorities and the Swiss Federal Railways and local public transport, lots of people work in the tourism sector (hotels, restaurants, bars, cafés, travel agencies) but also in the industry of this Canton)
> Your comparison with Liverpool is extremely strange, as I cannot imagine lots of Londoners to go to Liverpool for a weekend, to enjoy sunshine, nice weather, and a beautiful area
> And how many cultural festivals in Liverpool lure Brits from all around the U.K. to Liverpool ?
> Is Liverpool the destination for honeymooners from London ?
I do believe that Liverpool was the European city of culture a few years ago!
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I do believe that Liverpool was the European city of culture a few years ago!
Indeed it was! What a great place it is nowadays!

Edit: Childhood associations notwithstanding, it always was great when I think back to the hey day of Liverpool FC, "The Kop" and the late, great Bill Shankley . . .

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I do believe that Liverpool was the European city of culture a few years ago!
Do lots of Londoners often go to Liverpool for cultural activities ?
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Do lots of Londoners often go to Liverpool for cultural activities ?
I dunnoh laa. Have you been there?
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Indeed it was! What a great place it is nowadays!
Ehmm, so that Liverpool now has weekend-resort functions for the Londoners, and holiday-resort functions for people from Britain and abroad ?
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No ! This is the reason for the question-mark.
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