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Pretend police in Zürich

Maybe others have noticed this as well, in the last few weeks there have been securitas guys standing around the junction at Bellevue, they don't appear to be doing anything other than standing aroud. They're not police although at first glance you might think they were, they are securitas personnel which as far as I am concerned means they are private company employees and could be ignored anyway. Anyone have any idea what they supposed to be doing? Anyone else bothered by the idea of farming out police work to private companies? Remember Blackwater and as far back as the romans, people were worried about who guards the guards.
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If they have a gun dont ignore them....
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Re: Pretend police in Zürich

Are you sure that they were pretend Police and not Counterfeit Police?

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If they have a gun dont ignore them....
Good point no, they're not "tooled up"
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Are you sure that they were pretend Police and not Counterfeit Police?

I'll have to look at that later, youtube doesn't get over the firewall in the orifice.
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Maybe others have noticed this as well, in the last few weeks there have been securitas guys standing around the junction at Bellevue, they don't appear to be doing anything other than standing aroud. They're not police although at first glance you might think they were, they are securitas personnel which as far as I am concerned means they are private company employees and could be ignored anyway. Anyone have any idea what they supposed to be doing? Anyone else bothered by the idea of farming out police work to private companies? Remember Blackwater and as far back as the romans, people were worried about who guards the guards.

Perhaps they were suntanning during their break.

Stick your tongue out at them and see what happens. Then please report back here.

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Re: Pretend police in Zürich

Yeah, quite a bad trend in my view. Police is underequipped because they're busy dealing out parking bills, therefore Securitas gets hired to do their job..

http://www.volksstimme.ch/Online-Aus...19492515.0.php
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Re: Pretend police in Zürich

Sometimes when there is a venue going on ( bike racing for example), or some other things, the Police subcontracts Securitas to control traffic. Last month when the construction work started in Stadelhofen and Bellevue, Securitas were all over the area sorting out the traffic.
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Sometimes when there is a venue going on ( bike racing for example), or some other things, the Police subcontracts Securitas to control traffic. Last month when the construction work started in Stadelhofen and Bellevue, Securitas were all over the area sorting out the traffic.
I don't really mind them controlling traffic, as this is something often being done by volunteers as well. But when it comes to public safety (as opposed to private safety, ie patrolling a company, private property at night) I disagree.
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I don't really mind them controlling traffic, as this is something often being done by volunteers as well. But when it comes to public safety (as opposed to private safety, ie patrolling a company, private property at night) I disagree.
I'm concerned about the lack of transparency in this. I assume that before anybody can become a policeman (or woman) they are properly screened and that only people who really have the right qualities get the jobs.

Private companies like Securitas tend not to have the same screening levels and will frequently even hire the candidates that the real police force turns down. This is worrying. Also, not everybody is background checked. I don't know about Switzerland but in the UK I've even heard about people with criminal records or even prison time being hired into such jobs. Would you feel comfortable if you are your belongings were guarded by crooks?
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I don't really mind them controlling traffic, as this is something often being done by volunteers as well. But when it comes to public safety (as opposed to private safety, ie patrolling a company, private property at night) I disagree.
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It is dangerous as well.
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Re: Pretend police in Zürich

I remember seeing a 'platoon' of Securitas dudes in Bern. Head to toe in black, army-style webbing belts with night sticks, handcuffs, CS spray, etc. Peaked caps, a la SWAT teams, combat boots (with the trousers tied military-style above them) and to top it off, an earpiece with a curly cable.
What a bunch of Walts.
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Re: Pretend police in Zürich

Possibly this is similar to new powers in the UK. Security guards (bouncers) can now hand out fixed penalty tickets. They can only give them to people without a criminal record. Therefore, they are given access to the Police National Computer to check details.

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Re: Pretend police in Zürich

I think that's a really worrying trend. And Securitas are not new to scandals:

http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/story/12761930

They have been spying for Nestle etc. against Attac.
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Maybe others have noticed this as well, in the last few weeks there have been securitas guys standing around the junction at Bellevue, they don't appear to be doing anything other than standing aroud.
As has already been mentioned - I think they're there to help sort out the traffic and nudge pedestrians in the right direction around all the roadworks going on at Bellevue at the moment. Don't really see any probs with that - leaves the police free to do more important stuff
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As has already been mentioned - I think they're there to help sort out the traffic and nudge pedestrians in the right direction around all the roadworks going on at Bellevue at the moment. Don't really see any probs with that - leaves the police free to do more important stuff
And they need Securitas for that?? I think it's a waste of tax payers money to pay THE most expensive private Security Co. to regulate traffic and stand around.
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I'm concerned about the lack of transparency in this. I assume that before anybody can become a policeman (or woman) they are properly screened and that only people who really have the right qualities get the jobs.

Private companies like Securitas tend not to have the same screening levels and will frequently even hire the candidates that the real police force turns down. This is worrying. Also, not everybody is background checked. I don't know about Switzerland but in the UK I've even heard about people with criminal records or even prison time being hired into such jobs. Would you feel comfortable if you are your belongings were guarded by crooks?

Not true.
Every person applying for a job with a security company is background checked for the last 5 years. Of course this does not mean that the individual is clean. However, the law requires the 5 year background check.
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As has already been mentioned - I think they're there to help sort out the traffic and nudge pedestrians in the right direction around all the roadworks going on at Bellevue at the moment. Don't really see any probs with that - leaves the police free to do more important stuff
i would agree with that but I drive past these wallys at least twice a day and so far i have never witnessed them doing anything other than standing around looking bored, no arm waving, no direction of traffice no helping old ladies over the road.
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i would agree with that but I drive past these wallys at least twice a day and so far i have never witnessed them doing anything other than standing around looking bored, no arm waving, no direction of traffice no helping old ladies over the road.
I have seen the same.
I would suggest that the Swiss authorities use the guys who are serving the mandatory military service and waisting time in the mountains shooting, drinking etc (I know because my own son just finished his term). They should use these kids since they get paid and replace them with the "expensive" Securitas.
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Maybe others have noticed this as well, in the last few weeks there have been securitas guys standing around the junction at Bellevue, they don't appear to be doing anything other than standing aroud. They're not police although at first glance you might think they were, they are securitas personnel which as far as I am concerned means they are private company employees and could be ignored anyway. Anyone have any idea what they supposed to be doing? Anyone else bothered by the idea of farming out police work to private companies? Remember Blackwater and as far back as the romans, people were worried about who guards the guards.
Probably ensuring safety of construction site.
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