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Definately, you can't even overclock a Dell.
Also their power supplies are lame and under powered from what I hear. All about maximizing their profit.
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Also their power supplies are lame and under powered from what I hear. All about maximizing their profit.
Yup, just like most PC shops they will give you exactly what you need to run the spec they provide, and nothing more. Otherwise they couldn't maintain their profit margins.
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Actually, just a quick follow up question. Why are you using a PC for music production. Mac's have the best software for this? May I ask what software you are using (Cubase?)
a few years ago it used to be "Pro tunes" the industry standard for Audio on Mac.

But now, no ideas...
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Also their power supplies are lame and under powered from what I hear. All about maximizing their profit.
Many power supplies are rubbish. And usually people who knows a bit ALWAYS chose a cheap power supply.

Of course I did it years ago when I had a pc, and it burned 3 times, one time also frying partially my motherboard...

If I had to buy a new one, I would choose the "active power supply" which are much better than passive ones, and also saves energy.

Of course it costs, but thats the MAIN resources of your computer that power everything else. It's very important.
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

If the OP is already considering purchasing a prebuilt system, branded or not-branded, it is likely to assume, that OP would prefer not to build a system from scratch.

That is not to say, that I am not pro selfbuilt, in fact, I am. Personally, I have never owned a computer, that I didn't build myself. But researching and making sure everything is compatible and the best I get within my budget, takes time and effort. Last computer I built took me more than three months draw up and make sure I got everything I exactly wanted. AND still then, even after crossreferencing everything, I find out that CPU compatibility list on the motherboard manufacture website was not 100% correct.

However, when it comes to recommending a computer to persons that are not too technical, I tend to recommend brand computers, unless they specifically ask me to build it for them.
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Old 30.08.2009, 13:09
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If the OP is already considering purchasing a prebuilt system, branded or not-branded, it is likely to assume, that OP would prefer not to build a system from scratch.
Most people just simply aren't aware of the possibility of building one from scratch.

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Last computer I built took me more than three months draw up and make sure I got everything I exactly wanted. AND still then, even after crossreferencing everything, I find out that CPU compatibility list on the motherboard manufacture website was not 100% correct.
There are so many technical and computing forums out there that doing a last minute check of the list and getting good advice before you press the buy button is only a minute away.
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There are so many technical and computing forums out there that doing a last minute check of the list and getting good advice before you press the buy button is only a minute away.
On my specific setup, there was no advice to get, since all my hardware completely new on the market. And also, I choose to opt for a bookcare barebone, something which is a quite a niché and forum information is not readily available. Personally, I would not trust 100% any forum, unless I can crossreference the information, not even EF. I will use the information as a guideline, but to let a forum make my choice for me, no.

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Most people just simply aren't aware of the possibility of building one from scratch.
True... But if that is the case, they are often better suited bying something prebuilt.

Though, you can make the same argument regarding cars. Yes, someone can save money on buying a second hand car, if they understand the implications that come with it, ie. fully understanding what they are buying if there is something wrong with the car or something is missing. If you don't fully have such an understanding (or willing to spend mass amounts of time researching to learn) then buy a new car. I use this very same argument for myself, I have excellent computer software and hardware knowledge, but my car knowledge is non-existing, hence I choose to build my own computers, but my cars new.
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On my specific setup, there was no advice to get, since all my hardware completely new on the market. And also, I choose to opt for a bookcare barebone, something which is a quite a niché and forum information is not readily available. Personally, I would not trust 100% any forum, unless I can crossreference the information, not even EF. I will use the information as a guideline, but to let a forum make my choice for me, no.
Forums are full of incredibly knowledgeable people. EF is not a ocmputing forum, so not a good place to cross-reference such things. The fact the hardware you were looking for was new on the market is of no import, people would know about it regardless, and be able to give precise advice on just about anything you can think of. I'm not saying rely on them 100% or let them make your choices for you, i'm saying they a tool that can be used for accurate information to support the choices you make.
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

Do any of you know how hot I should allow my CPU and HD to get (I have Speedfan)?
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

Ideally not above 70c according to Speedfan, 50-60 is ideal.
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

Digitec are awesome. I must have spent over 20K with them in the last 3 years and they've never let me down. I've had to return one disk that was faulty in that time, and a replacement was sent prompty.

Digitec are always my first port of call for anything electronic.
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Do any of you know how hot I should allow my CPU and HD to get (I have Speedfan)?
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Ideally not above 70c according to Speedfan, 50-60 is ideal.
That would cover say 90% of all CPU's (AMD generally tend to have lower operating temps) and wouldn't not apply to a HDD,. They should be kept well under 60C, since that is really the max operating temp for 90% of HDD's. Generally try to keep the HDD temp below 50, as they are idling around that and you start something HDD intensive, the temp will easîly jump up.
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

I was only talking about the CPU, not the HDD. The HDD does not need active cooling, it will be fine and i've never known one to die from overheating in a normal PC case (even badly ventilated ones) at home or at work.

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Most people just simply aren't aware of the possibility of building one from scratch.



There are so many technical and computing forums out there that doing a last minute check of the list and getting good advice before you press the buy button is only a minute away.
This sounds like a good project. I've never built one before but I imagine it should be something I could figure out. Which websites/forums do you recommend as a good starting point? In general, where is the best place to source components: Switzerland, US, Europe?
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Old 30.08.2009, 17:47
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My digitec PC is very, very quiet.

Have you tried Steg?
I have a Steg PC. Purchased 1 year ago. Excellent value. Very quiet. Works beautifully.
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This sounds like a good project. I've never built one before but I imagine it should be something I could figure out. Which websites/forums do you recommend as a good starting point? In general, where is the best place to source components: Switzerland, US, Europe?
I advise this site for PC advice:

OCUK http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/

It is a very good forum, and you will get advice every step of the way, i've sene hundreds of people with no PC experience build one. It can be challenging ands sometimes a little frustrating on the first run, but the satisfaction people get form it is clear, and they usually never buy a pre-built PC again due to haveing a machine they can upgrade for some time to come.

As for where to source the components, Swiss prices are (somewhat amazingly) VERY similar to UK prices for components when bought online. Yuo can use toppreise http://www.toppreise.ch/index.php to find the cheapest places for your stuff after you've identified what parts you're looking for, but digitec.ch http://www.digitec.ch has a large variety of stuff at decent prices... cheaper for some stuff, bit more expensive for others, but overall a good average and certainly among the cheaper shops.

If you're thinking of getting something then all I need is a budget and I can help you spec something suitable.
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

I often go to www.pcmech.com
Good forum area, with lots of good, and varied, advice.
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Jesus WTF is this? Saw it on Steg's website. Traffic light anyone?

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Is it a Dalek?
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If you're thinking of getting something then all I need is a budget and I can help you spec something suitable.
Thanks for the links.

My budget is probably in the 1000-1500 CHF range. I am looking for a computer to be used mainly for music storage (iTunes), photo editing and storage and some basic video editing. I haven't researched computer specs for a few years so I have zero idea as to what look for these days. Any spoon-fed information would be greatly appreciated and then I can go from there.

p.s. I am assuming this would be for a PC or is it feasible to build a Mac? Clueless.
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