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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

In this range up to 1500 chf it is possible to get a Q9550 CPU , 4 GB(or more) RAM, LGA 775 Mainboard(Asus) ,a 2 TB HDD and Windows Vista
Buisness/Home Premium (32 or 64 bit).
The Graphicscard doesnt have to be expensive, because you dont play Games on the PC.
The Power Supply is an important point , buy only from well known brands
(like enermax , be quiet), because "cheap" power supply don't last very long.
The case/CPU FAN is also an important point, because a quadcore can get
very hot (with the standard intel cpu cooler), so it is very useful to buy an aftermarket cooler like noctua or thermalright.

If you want it , digitec can built a pc from parts according to your specs.
I can do it as well.
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Do any of you know how hot I should allow my CPU and HD to get (I have Speedfan)?
I think you should not get your CPU to run for 5-10 degrees above the normal operating temperature.
Check that here:
http://ark.intel.com/


It self reboot before it gets too hot, in theory...
But anything above 80 is not normal, I think. Last time my Nvidia GPU was at 85 degrees and it fried!

Now, It never goes above 72degrees, which is still high.
Good low limit is 50 degrees, I have never seen it lower!

I guess you should tend to stick with the official one...
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Old 30.08.2009, 21:07
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

You can't build a Mac, you can only get them pre-built. If a Mac is what you're looking for i'd go check the nearest Apple store.

For PC I would reccomendusing the Upgrade-Kit Core i7 from digitec as a base:

Set-Inhalt: 899 CHF
  • Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5, Intel X58, LGA 1366, SLI, CFX
  • Memory: Mushkin XP3-12800 3x2GB, DDR3-1600, CL7-8-7-20@1.65V
  • CPU Cooling: Noctua CPU-Khler NH-U12P SE1366 - Sockel 1366
  • Processor: Intel Core i7 920 D0 BOX, Quad Core, 2.66 GHz, LGA 1366
That gives a very solid base which bags of power. Then you would need to add...
  • Power Supply: Super Flower SF700R-14A, 700 Watt PSU - 137 CHF
  • HDD1 (OS): Western Digital Caviar Blue, 7200rpm, 16MB, 500GB, SATA-II - 68 CHF
  • HDD 2 (Storage): Samsung HD154UI, F2, 5400rpm, 32MB, 1.5TB, SATA-II, EcoGreen - 129 CHF
  • PC Case: Cooler Master Elite RC-335-KKN1-GP - 49 CHF
  • Video Card: Asus HD 3450 Passiv, PCI-E, 256MB DDR2, HDMI, low profile - 41 CHF
  • Monitor: Viewsonic VX2433wm, 23.6" TFT Wide, HDMI, schwarz - 245 CHF
  • DVD Drive: Lite-On iHAS324-32, 24fach DVD Writer - 39 CHF
Total: 1611 CHF

I have purposefully gone a small way over budget but simply because for the money that is an absolutely stonking performer, complete with the latest i7 CPU (an encoding monster), some very nice HD space, and a large 23" monitor. The ATI graphics card is also a great little media card for the money. It fits all of your requirements perfectly.

I could of course tone down the price by putting a smaller monitor and weaker CPU in there, but for your uses I don't think you'd want to. You would never get spec like that for the money from a pre-built machine from a computer shop.
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

For the system created from richdog , you don't need a 700 Watt Power supply, a Enermax MODU-82+ Netzteil - 525 Watt is more then enough and the better choice (ask Digitec , if you don't trust me).
For professional work at photos/ videos you need a very good tft, like
Eizo, NEC or Samsung (Not the cheap TN Models, you need the MVA-Panels).
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

Richdog and Blackbird, Thanks for the suggestions. I prefer to try to assemble this myself. I can now do some research and try to figure out what it all means and then go for it. Thanks again!!
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Old 30.08.2009, 21:42
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For the system created from richdog , you don't need a 700 Watt Power supply, a Enermax MODU-82+ Netzteil - 525 Watt is more then enough and the better choice (ask Digitec , if you don't trust me).
For professional work at photos/ videos you need a very good tft, like
Eizo, NEC or Samsung (Not the cheap TN Models, you need the MVA-Panels).
So you're reccommending a PSU more expensive and less powerful than the one I listed? Very err.. sensible.

The Super Flower brand has been around for a long time and is very well respected, they make PSU's for many other brands who then re-name them as their own, and its' modular system second to none. It will power his rig for a long time through various upgrades with enough leeway to add whatever he likes to the system.
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I think you should not get your CPU to run for 5-10 degrees above the normal operating temperature.
Check that here:
http://ark.intel.com/


It self reboot before it gets too hot, in theory...
But anything above 80 is not normal, I think. Last time my Nvidia GPU was at 85 degrees and it fried!

Now, It never goes above 72degrees, which is still high.
Good low limit is 50 degrees, I have never seen it lower!

I guess you should tend to stick with the official one...
OK thanks. I had the threshold for 100% fan speed set for 50 degrees for the CPU and 45 Degrees for the HD. Otherwise the fans run at 65%. The computer has 3 fans, one on the CPU cooler, one in the power supply and one case fan. They are not independently controllable. According to you and the Intel site I should be able to put the threshold up to 65 C. (Thermal specifiation 61.4C).

Sorry if I am hijacking the thread! But Patxi, you can use speedfan to control the fans in your computer to keep it as silent as possible.
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Old 30.08.2009, 23:56
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I'll be using it to record my own music so I guess it will require some crunching and enough storage (apart from the sounds card etc). I'm not too worried about the looks or the name really..
I had a high spec PC built 2 years ago by Digitec for me to record music and it is a complete waste of time. Crashes regularly and at the start wouldn't even stream video from the internet without crashing - everytime. I now use the cheapest MACbook and it is far better, and generally I would always choose a PC over a MAC.

Next time I will go to Media Markt or FUST and see what they have.
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Forums are full of incredibly knowledgeable people
They are also full of the misinformed, who are eager to "help". Depends on the community really.
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

If you use windows and have admin rights, the same thing will happen. Do you often find yourself installing programs and screensavers?
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As always though, the best value comes from buying the parts seperately and building your own.
I have always built my own:

Built the following 6 months ago:

Amtec Cube Case & Fan GB94 (expensive but quiet and different)
Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 2.4Ghz LGA886 FSB800 GB68
Gigabyte Motherboard GA73PVM-S2H (HDMI & DVI sockets), built in sound & graphics card. GB32
2 x 2048Mb DDR2 800 Mhz Memory GB40
Samsung 500Gb Sata II 16mb Buffer Hard Drive Gb37
NEC Sony Sata DVD-RW Drive GB16
LG 22" LCD TFT Monitor with D_sub & DVI ports Gb158

This lot adds up to GB445 + VAT then I had to buy Windows XP Pro for GB 89 + VAT ; Total 534 + VAT

Not the fastest machine, but mine are for my office and have to be stable and reliable.
Partitian the Hard Drive for Operating System (100Gig) and Data (400Gig) means you don't have to worry about virus software.
Just re-load the operating system. I actually find worth doing once a year anyway.

I probably could have bought something off the shelf for less, so wouldn't agree that cheaper to build your own.
I just didn't want Vista as seen too many businesses have problems with it.
I wouldn' t buy the new Windows operating system either for a couple of years until they get the major bugs out.
I was running XP Pro on 128Mb of Ram, now with the service packs you need a gig in my opinion.
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Partitian the Hard Drive for Operating System (100Gig) and Data (400Gig) means you don't have to worry about virus software.
Just re-load the operating system. I actually find worth doing once a year anyway.

You still have to worry about virus software no matter how you partition your drive. What if your data partition, all of your .docs, for example, have a macro virus? Formatting the OS ain't going to achieve anything.

Run windows without admin rights and without installing everything you come across onto it and you'll not have to reformat.

There's nothing wrong with Vista, btw. Businesses don't have problems with it because many have not moved to it But Vista runs fine and is better than XP. I bet you're basing this on the user account control it has in it - which would be a pain in the arris for anyone who spend their whole time installing more and more software.
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They are also full of the misinformed, who are eager to "help". Depends on the community really.
I wouldn't reccommend a community I didn't trust.

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Partitian the Hard Drive for Operating System (100Gig) and Data (400Gig) means you don't have to worry about virus software.
Just re-load the operating system. I actually find worth doing once a year anyway.
Using seperate HD's is a MUCH better idea especially due to HD failure risks. Plus 100GB for an OS is nothing now... install some big programs and you will be down there in no time. Best is to buy a seperate OS and data drive.
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

Yep! why partition a HD? HDs are cheap as water these days. System on one free flying physical HD and data on another HD (backed up on external HD too)

Rich wtf is a super flower PSU? Sounds like some sun flower oil brand For seriously hardcore system money should go to PC power and cooling PSUs. That is what all my babies rock. Leave the sun flower oil for mammi and pappi type of users LOL

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Eizo, NEC or Samsung (Not the cheap TN Models, you need the MVA-Panels).
No you should aim for much better IPS panels is what pros rock.
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Rich wtf is a super flower PSU? Sounds like some sun flower oil brand For seriously hardcore system money should go to PC power and cooling PSUs. That is what all my babies rock. Leave the sun flower oil for mammi and pappi type of users LOL
Pfft, this is what seperates the enthusiasts from the part-timers.

PCP&C PSU's went downhill in quality as soon as OCZ bought them and started mass-producing them, they went from Elite to above average in 6 months. Shame, as I used to have one of the original 510's and it was an absolute monster.



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For pros, yes, IPS is god (I have an NEC), but a guy with a 1500 CHF budget and who does a "little" editing generally does not buy a pro monitor.
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For pros, yes, IPS is god (I have an NEC), but a guy with a 1500 CHF budget and who does a "little" editing generally does not buy a pro monitor.
Neither should they call themselves Pro I am with you though...just playing.

Btw PCP&C still spanks your cooking oil Corsair makes some decent PSUs as well.

i7 MOBO manufacturers are a mixed bunch these days though. All big name brands have too much quality control fluctuation. Which brand MOBO would you go with for i7?
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I have a Corsair HX 620 PSU, best i've ever bought... whisper quiet and solid as a rock, and the modular cabling is thin and neat.

For an i7 mobo I would always go with Gigabyte... after trying them all I don't use anything else nowadays. Buying a Gigabyte you are pretty much guaranteed solid stability, good features, and great overclocking potential. The mobo I listed for the guy above, the Gigabyte UD5, is pretty much regarded as the best value high-end board there is at the moment.

Damn I can feel myself getting an upgrade itch... not good...
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

I am about to order operating system DVD but slightly confused.

I need Windows Vista Business 64Bit OEM English + Windows 7 free upgrade voucher.

Is the attached text from an online shop same? The achtung message is confusing me a bit.

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Vista Business w/Order Form E Windows Vista Business SP1 64-Bit, English, DVD inkl. Order Form fr kostenlose Bestellung von Windows 7 / 1er Pack, System Builder Version, Vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen - ACHTUNG: Installations-Key auf Verpackung! WIN-64 E D
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Re: Digitec versus Branded pc

I would consider the full version instead, if you take the oem version I think you must to buy windows again when you upgrade your computer.
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I am about to order operating system DVD but slightly confused.

I need Windows Vista Business 64Bit OEM English + Windows 7 free upgrade voucher.

Is the attached text from an online shop same? The achtung message is confusing me a bit.
Be careful, that upgrade may only be for the GERMAN version. One thing similar OEM for downgrades to XP restrict this in some of my suppliers.
Happened a few times and software cannot be returned.
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