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On the whole, I'm a pretty fun-loving, free-spirited person, I take a few risks, the world is a bit of a playground for me.
... because, of course, the rest of us, in contrast, are not fun-loving and free-spirited, do not take risks, and do not see the world as a playground.

Oh no. We all listen to Radiohead, play golf and enjoy reading the newspaper while our wives bring us our pipes and slippers...
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Old 13.09.2009, 12:47
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Re: Is being weird and "alternative" asking for trouble?

Food for thought
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... because, of course, the rest of us, in contrast, are not fun-loving and free-spirited, do not take risks, and do not see the world as a playground.

Oh no. We all listen to Radiohead, play golf and enjoy reading the newspaper while our wives bring us our pipes and slippers...
sure, but I rather fear he looks like THIS gentlemen :





to all on this side of the Channel the "archtypical Englishman of all times" !
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oi I listen to Radiohead! sh!t no wonder i fit in over here
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Re: Is being weird and "alternative" asking for trouble?

anyway ... being weird is always a good alternative.
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anyway ... being weird is always a good alternative.
... to being a cookie-cutter goth?
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Re: Is being weird and "alternative" asking for trouble?

So because I dress differently, because I think today's fashions are absolutely appalling, and I like a different kind of music, etc etc, I'm somehow someone who is "trying to stand out?" It's not all about attention; sometimes it's about being uncompromising, and not caring enough about other people's opinions to change the way I appear to them. While I'm used to the criticism, it's not why I do it. I used to be a street entertainer - that was all about being noticed, I did it well, but the rest of the time I just want to be left alone. If I really enjoyed getting abuse in the street, I wouldn't be looking to move out of Aylesbury, because believe me, I get plenty of it.

Since Sophie Lancaster (Google her, then tell me she deserved the attention she got), I think there is good reason to test the waters before moving somewhere. If I was, for instance, a gay man planning to move somewhere, I'd like to know in advance whether I was likely to be ignored, disapproved of or possibly get my head kicked in if I held hands with my boyfriend in public. Make sense?
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So because I dress differently,
But you don't. That's the whole point.

You just think you're different, when you're just the same as all the other 'alternative' people.

Being a free spirit isn't about wearing a kilt or having a black door. Nor is it about advertising yourself as something special to people who've met a thousand others like you, and really couldn't give a sh!t about your 'lifestyle choices'.

You're not as special as you seem to think you are. Now get over yourself and get your arse over here.
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If I was, for instance, a gay man
But you're not a gay man. Nor are you black. Nor are you Pakistani. Nor are you Turkish.

You are simply just another white kid who has chosen to wear a particular type of uniform rather than another type of uniform.

Some people don't get such a choice. You should count yourself lucky.
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Re: Is being weird and "alternative" asking for trouble?

I think you must to be a lot of fun
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Re: Is being weird and "alternative" asking for trouble?

Goths don't ride unicycles! This isn't Linkin' Park. You're coming to one of the spiritual homes of the Gothic: watch out!

(My Goths are Gothier than your Goths)








Ps, Switzerland is lovely in you can dress, behave and live a lifestyle however you please, as long as you follow the rules.
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Re: Is being weird and "alternative" asking for trouble?

OP, don't worry, you're young but you'll blend in sooner than you think..

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Re: Is being weird and "alternative" asking for trouble?

I'll answer this question as someone with some experience on the other side of normal.

First, in Switzerland, you'll find that everyone stares. Even if you blend in with the crowd, someone will find a reason to unabashedly stare at you. Add to that a visibly different appearance and you will be stared at continually.

My husband is a punk and grew up in Switzerland. Every time we'd go out, he'd be stared at - and we're not talking mohawk and studs kind of punk, either.

I have tattoos - not delicate little girly ones or a tramp stamp (but only on the upper arm and back of the neck, so can be hidden for work purposes if necessary). On the bus, walking on the street, it does cause some stares. And a few tut-tuts from old ladies. In the US, I barely draw a glance for the ink, unless it is someone making a comment on them.

I tend to wear all black, have for most of my life. More than once, I've heard muttered "grufti" (slang for goth) as I walk by. I don't look goth. Just pale, black hair and black clothes.

That said, there's a huge festival in Leipzig Germany, Goth Wave Treffen, which is held once a year. There are obviously goth-inclined people around, but you just don't see them out and about all *that* much.

The Swiss are rather conservative, and that can make it uncomfortable for those who embrace alternative lifestyles/looks. Most Swiss "grow out of it" by the time they enter working life or university - so older adults tend to generate more stares than young kids.

For several reasons - including this - my husband and I decided to see if the UK was more suited. He moved there to try things out, and we've decided that I'll join him because he feels much more comfortable there and job prospects for him are far better. He doesn't feel as if he's constantly being stared at (he's in London, so there's always someone far more stare-worthy than he ).

As for painting your door black, you'd have to follow the rules of the apartment building where you live. I'd think that would be highly frowned upon (and perhaps impossible) to accomplish. Do a search about all of the rules and regulations regarding apartments.

Switzerland is an amazing place to live - but as with any place you live there are drawbacks. You just have to decide if the drawbacks are worth it for you. Come for a visit, check out your job prospects, and then decide.
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Just to show you what a wonderful and welcoming place Switzerland is, I wandered down to the lake a few minutes ago and found a group of gothic types having a lovely time climbing trees, rolling around in the grass and wearing leather trousers. It is worth noting that the wearing of leather trousers is regulated by cantonal law, and compulsory for all goths: An exception to which rule can only be made upon receipt of a signed and stamped letter from one's doctor confirming an allergy to leather or an excess of sweat glands in the genital area.

This laughing bunch of black-clad japesters were more than happy to stop for a moment and let me take a photograph, in order that I might show the world how joyous a life in Switzerland can be for those of a more visibly alternative bent:



They were eager to point out, however, that none of them was a Yugo or Albanian, and that their mothers had given them permission to be out and about with their chums upon the Sabbath.

So come on over! You'll love it!

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I have also never seen so many 'barking' people until I came here, Zurich has many resident weirdos and nutters so I am sure you dressed all in black wearing a top hat whilst riding your unicycle and juggling with fire will fit right in

Sorry. Will try not to bark so much. Might reduce it to just a whine. Or two.

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Re: Is being weird and "alternative" asking for trouble?

DB so that was you peering over my fence...next time I will throw my slippers at you....

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... because, of course, the rest of us, in contrast, are not fun-loving and free-spirited, do not take risks, and do not see the world as a playground.

Oh no. We all listen to Radiohead, play golf and enjoy reading the newspaper while our wives bring us our pipes and slippers...
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First, in Switzerland, you'll find that everyone stares. Even if you blend in with the crowd, someone will find a reason to unabashedly stare at you.
This is so true Evilshell, sometimes I think I have "foreigner" stamped on my forehead!


You are just you, CJuggler, whether weird or not, anyway most people are wierd.
Perhaps there are different levels of weirdness ( if this is a word) Everyone has their own idocracincacies( I'm sorry I can't spell this)

I'm here 5 weeks, and if I can have a stab at making it work here, so can you!!

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Re: Is being weird and "alternative" asking for trouble?

Hello Crystaljuggler,
I am from a small village fairly close to Aylesbury (in south oxfordshire) and I think THEY have a cheek insinuating that you are weird, I saw a few sights there myself. You sound mad, colourful and fun! the stuff that makes the world go around. Life would be dull if we all wore sober clothing, although I do like a man in a suit

The only thing I would say is, It makes me uncomfortable if someone dresses in an aggresive manner, (the type you wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley at night) and I do think goth style fits into this catagory. Don't let that stop you though. If I bump into you in Zurich and my dog barks at you, I will ask her to stop and tell her you are a nice guy really.
You will wake up one morning and pull on a pair of chinos and a smart shirt and realise you have at last grown up!! Can you ever imagine that?
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"First, in Switzerland, you'll find that everyone stares. Even if you blend in with the crowd, someone will find a reason to unabashedly stare at you."
Yep. Those big-eyed stares you'll get on arrival? You'll get exactly the same ones if you walk down the street carrying a box. A box?? My god, what could possibly be inside it??!! Try something innocuous like walking with a musical instrument. You'll think their eyes are about to fall out of their heads. In short, if you think you'll be getting a special reaction, you won't. That's how they react to everything.

So, come for a visit. You will have missed the summer heat waves by now, so you won't have to worry about looking like these unfortunate souls:
http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/
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Re: Is being weird and "alternative" asking for trouble?

You're a goth... nothing special.

I remember the time that I thought myself a free and different spirit too, being a goth in the 80s...

I'm on the right...
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