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Lake Thun - Environmental Disaster Looming?

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Down at the bottom of Switzerland's deepest lake is one of the country's murkiest secrets. For here is disturbing evidence of Switzerland's little-known Second World War defence effort. It poses a potentially devastating threat to the Alpine nation, 70 years after the conflict.


The placid waters of Lake Thun spread out for 11 miles beneath Faulensee village. Some 700 feet beneath the surface more than 9,000 tons of Swiss army munitions lie dumped on its watery floor. The ordnance includes artillery shells, hand grenades, and explosives that were meant to defend Switzerland against a Nazi invasion that never happened. After the war, the army began a 20-year process of getting rid of its vast munitions stockpile by dumping most of it into four Alpine lakes, all of which are used to supply drinking water to the surrounding population. Lake Thun, in the central Swiss canton of Bern, took the brunt of the disposal programme, which ended in 1964.
Lake Thun fish is sold in many local restaurants and is apparently very good. The Jungfrau Victoria Grand Hotel have it on their menu.
If this is the cause of harm to the fish, will this damage the local economy? In the UK, every food scare seems to become a problem that could threaten the end of civilization.

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The Independent has a longstanding grudge against Switzerland. This is just the latest manifestation of this rather bizarre one-sided feud.

Ignore it. Eat fish. Be happy.
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The Independent has a longstanding grudge against Switzerland. This is just the latest manifestation of this rather bizarre one-sided feud.

Ignore it. Eat fish. Be happy.

But is the article true?
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It's in the Independent: Truth doesn't come into it.
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Re: Lake Thun - Environmental Disaster Looming?

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The same could be said of just about every UK Newspaper
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But is the article true?
There was some uproar a few years back - some media tabloid found
out about this and made a big deal about it. Since then it has been
rather quiet. Or, at least nothing heard of on this side of Switzerland
(commonly know to some as "Swiss" ).

If you have the chance, look into the publishing history of Blick. They
were the ones that brought this topic into the limelight a few years ago.
You may find something about it there.
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Re: Lake Thun - Environmental Disaster Looming?

As Scott says, this is not a new story. I've been here 20 years and this story seems to comes up every few years.
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Re: Lake Thun - Environmental Disaster Looming?

Thanks for bringing this dark chapter of Switzerland on top again! It is definitely not a new story as the somewhat older EF members might remember, again and again has it been wiped under the carpet. My search about the topic resulted in almost 5'000 hits! The fishermen's associaton of Lake Thun requested back in 2004 that those reminders of the Cold War be removed. Has it been done in the meantime? I haven't found corresponding results. Ammunition has not only been dumped in Lake Thun but also in Lake Brienz, Walensee and Vierwaldstättersee.

By the way: Also the NT reported about this topic. See here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/wo...wiss.html?_r=3

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As Scott says, this is not a new story. I've been here 20 years and this story seems to comes up every few years.
When I was about 10 years old we were staying at Hotel Beatus by Lake Thun and I picked up a wooden case of about eight bullets that had washed ashore. It was my treasure and my pride and joy. It got mysteriously lost before we left the country to go back to England.
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As Scott says, this is not a new story. I've been here 20 years and this story seems to comes up every few years.
Haven't Anglophone guests to Switzerland complained that fish in Switzerland was generally too salty ?
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But is the article true?

I don't know about the article as such. But just one detail, artillery grenades do not contain toxics. Sure, each one contains a kind of watch or sensor, which may contain things you can find in every other watch and which are not recommended for eating. The metal parts are embedded in shooting powder and cotton and are not toxic. I mean they were produced in order to destroy everything in a diameter of 10 meters, not on impact but by exploding a few meters above the ground.
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