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Old 26.11.2009, 18:57
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

[quote=Luc P;624190]The study was provided in order to debunk the myth of "dangerous working environment", on which the whole ban is mostly based upon...[quote=Luc P;624190]
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Reminds me of 1988, when, after having been surgically "cleaned" of cancer, I asked the doctor, I had thought this kind of illness was a business for smokers. He explained to me that smoking only in rare cases (plus some specific sorts of cancer) did CAUSE cancer, but that smoking reduced the anti-cancer defence capabilities of human bodies. And THIS is the reason why non-smokers or people who only smoke rarely have a far higher chance to survice.


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I know... next thing is banning me from having a cigarette while walking down the street...[quote=Luc P;624190]
Hardly, what however may happen is that your sort of cigarette is prohbited and no longer sold !


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This may come as a surprise for you, but I would not trade my "smoky" lungs with yours! I am very happy with mine! I workout almost daily, and most of my weekend activities involve climbing and hiking in the mountains anywhere between 6 to 8hrs/day.[quote=Luc P;624190]
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This again is beside the point. The general physical condition does not necessarily depend on smoking or non-smoking. But your smoking in a restaurant can cause trouble to non-smokers. I for instance often if being in a "smokers restaurant" get irritated eyes and dandruff due to that. And have to treat all clothes when arriving back home. So that the smokers do not suffer, but the non-smokers do.

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Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to tell anyone that smoking is good for them! Not at all... also, I know that my smoking can be annoying and inconvenient for others, thus I am doing my best to be considerate. All I am trying to understand is where do we draw the line?! It is not "the people" that own the business, but the Owner(s)! Is it detrimental for a waiters' health to work in a smoking environment, and the government has to step in and ban the smoking?!?! If I was the owner of the establishment, I would shut it down and and look into investing money (My Money) into something else... Now you'd have 10 waiters, 3 bus-boys, 1 bartender, and 3 cooks without jobs...[quote=Luc P;624190]
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This is wrong. There are many heavily smoking owners, so that they if being the one to place the rules would make heavy smoking mandatory. The official smoking ban not least has become necessary because these owners always preferred the smokers, even if having a definite majority of non-smokers

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Oh well... at least I can still have a smoke in my apt.... for now!
: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/us/27belmont.html
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You of course can do so. But walls, furniture, curtains etc may suffer. Suggest, you smoke on the balcony
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

im chuffed about the news!!!
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Old 26.11.2009, 20:15
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Let's remove the health aspect from the argument for a second, and focus only on the smell. The smell of cigarette smoke is disgusting. Think of it like this: you are at a restaurant enjoying a meal, and the table next to you starts farting. I mean, regularily, one after the other, letting 'em rip, and obviously enjoying it. You get home, your clothes stink of fart (sorry to be so explicit, but I think it serves the argument).

That is what we have to endure, the majority, in the presence of smokers. I am sorry, it stinks. And you know it.

Oh, ya, and by the way it endangers health, especially YOURS, Mr/Mrs smoker. To put it bluntly, read the warnings on the package....you will pay a HEAVY and PAINFUL price for your habit.

The pro-smoking argument is fed by pure addiction. Nicotine addiction is as powerful as heroin.

Now, for your own good (smokers), let alone the good of those who are forced to breathe your poison, QUIT, or have the decency to go outside and commit slow suicide without screwing with other people's comfort, health, and well-being.
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Old 26.11.2009, 21:10
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You of course can do so. But walls, furniture, curtains etc may suffer. Suggest, you smoke on the balcony
We once had a dear friend that we shared an apartment with who smoked. He was a reasonable smoker and only smoked in his room or outside the apartment. We lived in the apartment for a little over one year and by the time we moved out his room walls were yellow. Needed washing and painting. The curtains were permanently stained with the chemicals in cigarette smoke. When enough cleaning and bleaching was done to remove the stains the fabric disintegrated. None of the other rooms need this sort of cleaning including the kitchen.

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Old 26.11.2009, 21:21
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The pro-smoking argument is fed by pure addiction. Nicotine addiction is as powerful as heroin.

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Although smokers claim to actually enjoy smoking, I bet there aren't many ex-smokers who won't admit that they only smoked because of the addiction.

Try and give up and see how bloody difficult it is. Then decide who are the tough guys - the ones who give up or the ones who spout on about their rights.
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Old 26.11.2009, 22:03
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Although smokers claim to actually enjoy smoking, I bet there aren't many ex-smokers who won't admit that they only smoked because of the addiction.

Try and give up and see how bloody difficult it is. Then decide who are the tough guys - the ones who give up or the ones who spout on about their rights.
As I've said before, I don't mind if people smoke as long as I don't have to join them by default.

I just wish everyone would quit pretending that smoking isn't drug use. That's all.

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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Hallelujah.....It's about time! I am a reformed smoker! We've had 'no smoking laws' in Australia for years. When i moved here to marry my Swiss husband, I had no idea about the smoking conditions. It was nearly enough for me to turn around and go home. I gave up smoking so I could be healthy. I must say when i was a smoker i tried to be considerate of others. But most smokers don't care about smoke blowing in other peoples face. I kept saying to my husband, well i gave up smoking but what did that matter, i'm going to die from passive smoking now. I try to stay away from restaurants that have smoking and hold my breath around smokers. Anyway, i will say that it does take a time of transition for the smokers but you'll get used to it after a while. Hello......clean air!
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Right today saw something really nice. Some 20 or 30 years ago, everybody said "those Yugos.... smoke ....". But this evening in a bar-restaurant, the Swiss around were smoking and so I went to the far end, and then came some "EX-Yugos...." and all abstained from smoking !
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Just down the road from me there is a cigar shop. It screams '80's bankers' and is designed so customers (almost exclusively men) can be seen from the street trying out giant dog rockets and downing champagne. Quite a funny sight really but while I would have no reason to enter I do enjoy looking at the suits in there as I wander past.

Wiil these guys be hit by the ban? If so, I assume they will be hit hard as it seems to be the experience they are selling as much as the Stogie
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Right today saw something really nice. Some 20 or 30 years ago, everybody said "those Yugos.... smoke ....". But this evening in a bar-restaurant, the Swiss around were smoking and so I went to the far end, and then came some "EX-Yugos...." and all abstained from smoking !
I wonder how long it will take before people will stop saying there was a group of Swiss, and a group of Ex-Yugos? 20 or 30 years?
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

I'm ok with there not being any cigarette bans as long as there aren't any bans on me discharging a fire extinguisher at them.
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I wonder how long it will take before people will stop saying there was a group of Swiss, and a group of Ex-Yugos? 20 or 30 years?
50 years !
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

You'd think the Swiss wouldn't smoke being neat freaks and all. Just go to any bus stop or stop light and the side of the road looks like Where Cigarettes Go To Die.
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You'd think the Swiss wouldn't smoke being neat freaks and all. Just go to any bus stop or stop light and the side of the road looks like Where Cigarettes Go To Die.
I completely agree. This is the one thing that I find that is a complete disconnect from what I view as the Swiss mind set. This country is usually very clean and yet the only major source of debris/litter that I see these days seems to be smoking refuse. Cigarette packs, butts, stubbed out (yet still smoking) dog-ends. I am waiting for the law to decide that there needs to be a penalty as in parking ticket like enforcement for those who just trash the environment with their smoking detritus.

It has happened in London, UK and I would expect the Swiss to be more prone to this type of enforcement than most countries.

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I completely agree. This is the one thing that I find that is a complete disconnect from what I view as the Swiss mind set. This country is usually very clean and yet the only major source of debris/litter that I see these days seems to be smoking refuse. Cigarette packs, butts, stubbed out (yet still smoking) dog-ends. I am waiting for the law to decide that there needs to be a penalty as in parking ticket like enforcement for those who just trash the environment with their smoking detritus.

It has happened in London, UK and I would expect the Swiss to be more prone to this type of enforcement than most countries.

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Such things will happen on Cantonal levels. Unless the SVP launches an initiative. But as the culprits are not really the "foreigners" they will NOT.
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Does anyone know if Basel Stadt is going to hang it out until D-Day to ban smoking? They probably will and then be able to wring their hands and blame it all on Bern.
I just got back from a few days in Wengen, and it's heart warming (as well as foot warming) to be able to eat your lunch inside a mountain restaurant without some b4st4rd lighting up next to you or your kids.

As for smokers rights, f*!k'em ! They are just selfish b4st4rd5 who don't want to change.

In Wengen (as well as every other country in the world that has banned smoking in public enclosed spaces) the bars and restaurants were full, zero impact except for the dog ends everywhere. Seems to be unacceptable to throw a coke can on the ground, perfectly acceptable to cigarette ends on the floor.
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

good news...
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finally ! after the Cantonal government of Zurich delayed it by more than a year, using dozens of excuses
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

the smoking ban is a joke. Here in VD it has been for a while now. the bars smell like ass.

Old beer, puke, ****, and crap on the floor the smoke used to cover up....

Im all for bans in restaurants and such. or bars with or without smoking.

As for smokers being uncivilized....maybe you should crawl back into your hole and stay there. There is plenty of non smoking areas
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

And on another note. h\ave zou seen how many businesses have lost money. so much all small restaurants are turning into dirty bars now. mmmm so much for evolution.
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