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Old 26.03.2010, 01:20
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Yes, you do seem a rather jumped up little one, I must say.
Anyway, I'm out - It's pointless trying to talk about dividing subjects rationally with types like you.
Exactly ! Selfish smokers will never see eye to eye with the majority who like their air relatively breathable. Most smokers are happy to talk shite 'till the cows come come, and do nothing about the issue, which is why country after country has had to bring in legislation.

Rationally? The time to be rational was a few years ago, it's a tad late now.
Anyway, how do you suggest we can all live happily together? Do you suggest the majority of people, the non-smokers, just put up with smokers as it's traditional? Passive smoking is bullshit? If we don't like it we can go somewhere else?

It's a done deal. It's getting banned in all civilised countries.
You need to accept the fact smoking is an anti-social past time.
And in Basel Stadt, only 5 days to go.
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Old 26.03.2010, 03:19
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Exactly ! Selfish smokers will never see eye to eye with the majority who like their air relatively breathable. Most smokers are happy to talk shite 'till the cows come come, and do nothing about the issue, which is why country after country has had to bring in legislation.

Rationally? The time to be rational was a few years ago, it's a tad late now.
Anyway, how do you suggest we can all live happily together? Do you suggest the majority of people, the non-smokers, just put up with smokers as it's traditional? Passive smoking is bullshit? If we don't like it we can go somewhere else?

It's a done deal. It's getting banned in all civilised countries.
You need to accept the fact smoking is an anti-social past time.
And in Basel Stadt, only 5 days to go.
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Old 30.03.2010, 16:12
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Perhaps yet another reason to cease smoking for some including vegans ...

Ciggies here might contain pig blood, says this article quoting a Dutch research.

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At least one cigarette brand sold in Greece was confirmed as using pig haemoglobin in its processes, Prof Chapman said, and the status of smokes sold was unknown.
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Perhaps yet another reason to cease smoking for some including vegans ...

Ciggies here might contain pig blood, says this article quoting a Dutch research.
Forget vegans, how are the Muslims going to react to this?
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Old 30.03.2010, 16:19
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Swiss smoke-free pubs and restaurants are really nice. Compared to Austrian old-style smoking/non-smoking $hitholes.

The only problem is in summer, smokers take best terrace places. Is there a clause in the law that you may refer to if the smoker is putting the smoke to your face (or your child) in the public place?
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Old 30.03.2010, 16:21
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Swiss smoke-free pubs and restaurants are really nice. Compared to Austrian old-style smoking/non-smoking $hitholes.

The only problem is in summer, smokers take best terrace places. Is there a clause in the law that you may refer to if the smoker is putting the smoke to your face (or your child) in the public place?
I doubt it. A public place is a public place after all. Most smokers should be sensitive enough to realise that they are being a nuisance/that they are around a child and change their behaviour accordingly.

As for us taking all the best terrace places - sorry why not get there earlier

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Old 31.03.2010, 15:47
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

On the penultimate day before the smoking in Basel Stadt, the http://www.baizer.ch/ has updated it's site and you can see that from tomorrow most places listed here :http://www.baizer.ch/restaurantfuehrer/main.cfm?lang=e
will indeed be non-smoking.
Hip, hip, hurray !


From 1 April 2010, the cantonal smoking ban in restaurants effective. From that date smoking in public places of hospitality, the forbidden. For the restaurant owners have the opportunity to establish an unmanned Fumoir or model of a "non-public catering establishment" (Association of solution) to decide on. Located at 1st May 2010 will enter federal law to protect against passive attacks on worker protection in force beyond the cantonal legislation. This has, according to a press release of the Construction and Transport departments means that only limited association solutions are feasible.
Protection against passive smoking raises some questions regarding the implementation. These were partially answered in May 2009 in a brochure of the building and transport departments on the basis of the cantonal regulations. Moreover, a smoking cessation hotline was set up.
The federal legislation aimed at 1st May 2010 comes into force, have changed several aspects. It has therefore Bauinspektorat - developed in collaboration with the Office of Economics and Labour - a new detailed data sheet and placed online.
The end of October 2009 became known federal legislation provides that in areas in which more than a worker is not employed, may be smoked. may in Basel-Stadt from 1 April 2010 will only be smoked in unattended smoking room and not in public restaurants (Association of solution). From 1 The latter applies only in May 2010 but, in that it employs no more than a worker who writes the construction and Vekehrsdepartement
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Old 31.03.2010, 16:27
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I doubt it. A public place is a public place after all. Most smokers should be sensitive enough to realise that they are being a nuisance/that they are around a child and change their behaviour accordingly.
In my experience here, most smokers don't give a s**t.
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Old 31.03.2010, 16:41
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In my experience here, most smokers don't give a s**t.
I second that. I used to smoke for 10 years, and I stopped a few years ago. And I found it absolutely liberating when the smoking ban came into place in the UK. As a smoker you are just pretty oblivious to the fact that you are not only causing yourself harm but to others as well. Because most smokers just get totally irritated because nobody likes to be "told" what to do and what not. It's a childish, but very human behaviour. So I feel pity for them now, having been one of them....

It's sad that the government or any majority has to tell people what to do and what not, in order to not harm each other. But we don't live in a perfect world and we are not all angels and loving human beings with the most beautiful intellect. So get over it and put your halos to the side. The smoking ban is coming.
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Old 31.03.2010, 16:57
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Try dropping one Singapore, that's what we need tougher rules for dropping butts etc on the streets here in CH, yes lets have some more rules
Ciggy butts are an eye sore.... but at least can be swept up from the streets.

Unlike chewing gum that litters the pavements and roads... and is almost impossible to cleanup.
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Old 31.03.2010, 17:11
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In my experience here, most smokers don't give a s**t.
Ah - well I'm sorry to see I'm the exception rather than the rule.
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Old 31.03.2010, 17:39
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Or put a Towel on it early in the morning to reserve
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Now, now, I'm not German
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Old 31.03.2010, 18:21
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Ciggy butts are an eye sore.... but at least can be swept up from the streets.

Unlike chewing gum that litters the pavements and roads... and is almost impossible to cleanup.
I lived in Singapore for a few months. In the guidance we were given, it was allowed to take in guns, explosives and hand-grenades with a special licence, but no chewing gum under any circumstances
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In my experience here, most smokers don't give a s**t.
I recently refused to stay in a bar with two smokers, people I know (not close friends, you know the situation = Bekannte, nicht Freunde) because I just could not breathe. They actually made very harsh arrogant comments about me. I left.
Don't tell me I have prejudices about smokers, it's postjudices... I judge people on their acts. Those two failed. Trashcan. End of storry. Next!
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Old 31.03.2010, 18:38
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I recently refused to stay in a bar with two smokers, people I know (not close friends, you know the situation = Bekannte, nicht Freunde) because I just could not breathe. They actually made very harsh arrogant comments about me. I left.
Don't tell me I have prejudices about smokers, it's postjudices... I judge people on their acts. Those two failed. Trashcan. End of storry. Next!
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Unfortunately, it seems, the drug disables their ability to reason and remain considerate. Personally, I hate to have someone ask "if they may have a smoke" at the table. It pushes my "can't say no" button to the limit. I prefer to just stay "nice", yet the past 20+ years in CH have pushed me into a corner. My 50th birthday party was spoiled by the chain-smoker at the next table. We even opened the window (in snowy December), as a message, but it was ignored. Oh, dear. Glad to have the ban!

Susan, your otherwise "friendly" hygienist

BTW, Most everyday I have one or two smokers as patients. By their early 40s the damage done to their mouth is irreversible. Just google smoking teeth images and you will know what I mean. And pot causes gum-line cavities...perfectly healthy teeth ...can become carious due to the reduction of saliva (while stoned) and going to bed with a mouth full of snacks (munchies) Probably more information than you wanted...xox
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Just a small update for the records :

It is only 27 days to go here in Zurich
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Already entered the new world in Basel. It was fantastic on April 1st to go out for a bar hop (pub crawl) and to come home and my clothes not to stink of cigarette smoke.

The changes are not yet 100% perfect in Basel as I have smelt the old cigarette. Hopefully, come May the so called "smoking clubs" will also be ruled illegal.

All the bars we went into were very full so it did not look like it was affecting their business, which is not a big surprise.

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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Really looking forward to it; I live in BS but have been away since last week; I have a long list of restaurants and clubs to go to now that we have the ban!
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