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No there isn't
Well... have you compared the constituents of Car Fumes and those from Refiniries and factories etc with constituents of cigerette smoke?

Have you compared what percent of air we breathe is polluted by cigerette smoke with what percentage is the car fumes responsible for?

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No they don't

Smoking is one of the most dangerous things someone can possibly do to themselves and to suggest otherwise openly like this is incredibly negligent.
As I said I know certain smokers longer and healtheir than some non-smokers.. so Im not convinced
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Old 30.10.2009, 13:15
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there was always the option to go to non smoking pubs, people chose not to
Not in Zurich unfort. So since people couldn't vote with their money, they asked for a referendum and won, democratically within the rights allowed by the constitution. Unfort smoking is not a legally defended right.

I understand it's a tough one, but now the majority gets to enjoy pubs and restaurants, with emphasis on the latter.
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They should ban smoking next to non-smokers. Let's say 100 metters away just for safety. It's not hard to see pregnants smoking, that's absurd.

Here in Vaud many restaurants and shopping centers are already smelling good! Now I can enjoy a coffe place and go out more often. I think I will retire my old friend Ventolin.
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Oh, no they don't. If you have been smoking for a few years then your lungs are never, ever going to be as good as they were before you started.

And once some of the effects are noticeable (later in life as your doctor mentioned), it's too late to do anything about it.

The trouble is, when you're young, you feel immortal,
Later in life what evidence there would be its because of smoking? Why not car fumes?

Im young but my dad is in late 70s, smoker throughout his youth till he quit about 15 years ago... NO health problems whatsoever, despite living in 3rd world living conditions!!! And I tell you he still Roars like a Lion!!

Same thing with my Uncles and grandfather, all smoke/smoked Hookahs, long lives and died of natural causes in their sleep!

As I said Im not convinced, Smokers are being blamed for what the Industrialists are doing in collusion with Politicians i.e. polluting our planet while diverting public attention on Smokers!!
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As I said I know certain smokers longer and healtheir than some non-smokers.. so Im not convinced
Typical Dervaish uninformed BS. Your anecdotal evidence is just that. MANY scientific studies have been performed showing the detrimental effects on health due to smoking. That is not the argument here anways.
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have we not been here before 'many' times with the smoking debate? we should dig out the old threads, copy and paste and save everyone typing and thinking time

Naaaa, it will miss the fun to do it again!
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Well... have you compared the constituents of Car Fumes and those from Refiniries and factories etc with constituents of cigerette smoke?

Have you compared what percent of air we breathe is polluted by cigerette smoke with what percentage is the car fumes responsible for?
It's not the harmfullness of the compounds but rather their density. Of course a smoke-filled pub on Limmatquai is less healthy than stepping outside onto the Limmatquai pavement.

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As I said I know certain smokers longer and healtheir than some non-smokers.. so Im not convinced
I hope you're not serious, denial of the problems of smoking because you know healthy smokers makes as much sense as denying the existence of gravity because you saw an aeroplane. I haven't seen logic this flawed for a long time.

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I haven't seen logic this flawed for a long time.
Then clearly you haven't seen his postings before. They're all like this.
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Then clearly you haven't seen his postings before. They're all like this.
In spite of a lot of people's derision of these sorts of wayward and gladiatorial threads, I think it's important to answer some things that are societally harmful (untruths about the harms of smoking, racism, most things by CD) especially because the forum is open and frequently ranks on google.
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Not in Zurich unfort. So since people couldn't vote with their money, they asked for a referendum and won, democratically within the rights allowed by the constitution. Unfort smoking is not a legally defended right.

I understand it's a tough one, but now the majority gets to enjoy pubs and restaurants, with emphasis on the latter.
I know that the Pickwicks chain has had a non smoking policy for at least a couple of years. I find it hard to believe that they're weren't other places.

In Luzern I know of at least 3 pubs with a non smoking policy, and it's much smaller than Zurich.

I don't think the smoking ban in bars has anything to do with allowing the majority to enjoy them.
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

Oh brill!! racism and smoking in one thread. this should run and run bigtime now...



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As I said Im not convinced, Smokers are being blamed for what the Industrialists are doing in collusion with Politicians i.e. polluting our planet while diverting public attention on Smokers!!
That's okay - on the grand scale of things - the life of one person is pretty immaterial.

This thread's about other things.
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I haz stoped smoking after I haz little kiddies.
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I haz stoped smoking after I haz little kiddies.
I don't blame you. Shame to turn them into rashers before their time.
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I don't blame you. Shame to turn them into rashers before their time.
You having good wit. I likey you very much. Smoking bady for ealth is a facty.
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But I am very, very flatulent.
You should smoke; then you'd always know which way the wind blows...
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

It will be good not to smell of smoke after a night out.
This has been implemented a while ago back home, but has since been followed up with such laws as: Not allowing cigarettes to be openly visible in a store selling them, it is illegal to smoke in ANY public place with a roof (bus shelters included), in any motorized vehicles with someone under 16, and any work place (including a truck driver's truck).

Almost extreme, but easier to breathe
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My argument is consistent, I'm saying the outright banning of smoking in pubs is wrong, there was always the option to go to non smoking pubs, people chose not to, and instead voted to ban people going to smoking ones.

My mind is not wholly here today (minor morning irritations still bugging me) but anyhow, something seems not to be connecting here.

As I understand it, pubs will have the option of allowing smoke or not (perhaps based upon size) while larger establishments ("family" restaurants, stores, malls, etc) will be subject to the ban.

So... what's with the arguments regarding being able to smoke with your pint? Apparently (at least here in Basel and probably elsewhere also) there still will be that option.



For myself, I am "glad" to hear of the ban simply because there ARE so many smokers who are inconsiderate.

Just because you and the folks you are dining with are finished and feel it is ok for you to smoke does not mean that the folks in the table next to you are finished with their meal as well... perhaps they'd prefer to be able to taste their food without it being "enhanced" by the aroma of your cigarette.

Also, like Angela, I suffer some issues with asthma. I only rarely have an issue but you can bet, the times I do it tends to be after being in enclosed places where there is a lot of smoke... I may not have an issue then and there but I am wheezing for days after.
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Re: Smoking bans to be effective 1st May 2010

I have yet to meet a smoker who actually means it when he asks "Do you mind if I smoke?". No, this is usually asked while lighting the cigarrette and meaning "By the way, be informed that I am going to smoke now". And when I have the nerve to reply that yes, actually, I do mind, then I'm usually met with a look like I had just used some more interesting Russian expressions involving the smoker's mother.
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