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But what does the realist in you think?
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The idealist in me thinks that maybe, just maybe, some day, some politician will look out into a crowd of people at a Veteran's Day / Remembrance Day ceremony and see a sea of poppies, prompting him / her to think of all of the families that were affected by decisions made by other politicians... and maybe allow that image to weigh heavier when factoring "what to do" the next time such a decision comes up.
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Really? I would never have thought that, but with over population thrown into the equation, more people are fighting and dying.
Didn't over 50million people die in WW2 alone? Not likely to be overtaken for some time
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Are you guys just talking about the allied forces?
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But the percentage of people fighting and dying is now far lower. 24-hour news services do rather little to address this fact, rather the opposite.
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I'm not even sure that is true. I think the figures for British deaths in Afghanistan is around 130. That is a piddly amount compared to almost any other war.
By and large most countries are currently peaceful.
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I'm definitely all for remembering the fallen, and for that reason I would buy and wear a poppy with pride.
However I wonder how many of those on TV are wearing theirs consciously, or simply due to peer pressure? For the last week everyone in TV Land has been wearing a poppy. Now call me cynical but thats not representative of the general population. So are they really wearing it or simply picking up a stage prop from the reception desk at ITV, BBC, Sky etc..?
As a former Akela of a cub pack in the UK I used to have a handful of poppies in my bag ready to stick on cubs' jumpers whose mums had forgotten to provide them in time for the Remembrance Sunday service so, yes, sometimes they are dealt out a bit like a prop.
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Are you guys just talking about the allied forces?
No, I'm not.
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50 million soldiers died in ww2? Holy cow, I didn't know that.......
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50 million soldiers died in ww2? Holy cow, I didn't know that.......
Now was that a sarcastic response or a genuine one? Wasn't sure. Anyway, it was a pleasure to enlighten ya.

The 50million includes Soldiers and Civilians on both sides.

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50 million soldiers died in ww2? Holy cow, I didn't know that.......

That's not just soldiers, in fact I would guess hardly any of that figure is soldiers. 25million odd people died in Russia, mainly from starvation.


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That's not just soldiers, in fact I would guess hardly any of that figure is soldiers. 25million odd people died in Russia, mainly from starvation.




Nope.
About 20-25million were soldiers. Figures vary of course

http://www.world-war-2.info/statistics/

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Old 09.11.2009, 15:23
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This for those who don`t have a poppy to wear have your own virtual poppy


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Have one what?
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Re: Wearing a Poppy

While Rememberance Day primarily concerns itself with those who died in wartime, it is interesting to see that the German equivalent takes it one step further. Volkstrauertag is held two Sundays before the first Advent (making it fall this year on this coming Sunday) and remembers not only the wartime dead, but also the victims of violent oppressive regimes in peacetime.
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I am getting a strange feeling that poeple are looking at me in confused manner, my partner brought me Poppy to wear at the weekend in commeration of Remembrance Day, but I getting many strange looks from passers by and at work? one person told me that they don`t commerate it here. Why and so what if I do?

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Remind them that Hitler would have invaded Switzerland had the Allies not won the war! and wear the poppy with pride!
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But what does the realist in you think?
I don't think it's anything to do with politicians altering their opinions.

It is to do with letting old soldiers know you appreciated their sacrifice. And also about thinking about the cost of conflict.

Practically, the UK Poppy Appeal also raises money for the care of veterans.
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Old 09.11.2009, 16:01
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Remind them that Hitler would have invaded Switzerland had the Allies not won the war! and wear the poppy with pride!
Not really in the true spirit of Remembrance Day. The veterans should be proud, we should be grateful.
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Its the red colour. That always attracts attention. And so what if you do, exactly. I couldn't care less
That's a good observation Sada. Last week a colleague told me he noticed that everyone here in Zurich seems to wear black. So a red poppy would stand out like the little girl wearing a red coat in the black and white movie Schindler's List.
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Not really in the true spirit of Remembrance Day. The veterans should be proud, we should be grateful.
Sorry but they fought for the freedom of Europe and a lot of them lost their lives for that. All I said was that Hitler would have taken Switzerland had the Allies not won and thanks to the bravery of all those young men the Allies won! And believe you me I am very grateful to them including my uncle who was killed in Italy!

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I'm definitely all for remembering the fallen, and for that reason I would buy and wear a poppy with pride.
However I wonder how many of those on TV are wearing theirs consciously, or simply due to peer pressure? For the last week everyone in TV Land has been wearing a poppy. Now call me cynical but thats not representative of the general population. So are they really wearing it or simply picking up a stage prop from the reception desk at ITV, BBC, Sky etc..?
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Both good points as I mentioned on another thread (I think there are there Poppy threads now), I couldn't believe that two people I know cited this as an excuse to not to want to buy one. WTF?

Anyhow this cynicism and indifference seems to be either supported by (the incident) or contrary to (the reaction) this story about a student who must surely be the most hated person in Britain at present.
If he get's a jail term I think he'd have to be put into solitary for his own safety. Even criminals would be sickened by this retard's behaviour.

I'd like to think the revulsion shown towards his action, indicates people treat poppies and who/what they stand for in the highest regard.

However on the other side of the coin some British stag weekends in Latvia doing exactly the same.

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Lest we forget...

The 11 minute, 11 hour, 11 day, of the 11 month!


In Flanders Fields

By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army


In Flanders Fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.


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