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Old 04.11.2010, 18:45
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As stated in several posts above, Remembrance Day (Veterans' Day in the USA) is unknown in Switzerland.

However, some Swiss may stare at poppy bearers even more because they may think those people are promoting opium. After all, there also are those folks that sport a hemp leaf pennant on their backpack, and that definitely not because they prefer hemp ropes for moutain climbing. Just a thought.
Isn't the poppy from which opium is extracted the blue one?
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I'm sorry but what really is the point? ..
As I wrote in my previous point the message is to remember those who contribute their time and even their lives in trying to make this a better world. That's all. Whether the cause was right or not is not the point. The point is that many but not all really did something that they believed was the right thing to make this a better world.

It is all about gratitude. If we can have gratitude in our lives we would all be somewhat happier.
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I'm sorry but what really is the point? Will it prevent war? No, will it promote peace? No, you're better spending your few pence on a donation to the starving kids of Africa that is a much more needy cause (that is as long as military dictatorships aren't diverting the money into gun running, which has been a bit of a murky area for the last 20 years).

And why only remember the Somme? You don't wear a little severed hand to remind you of the genocide in Rwanda, or a miniature South African Bauer child being brutally murdered by a British soldier, or a canister of cyclon B to remind you of the holocaust.

What one should really remember is the countless thousands of British and ally troops who were mercilessly slaughtered by firing squads by our OWN troops for NOT running head long into German meat grinding machine-guns and razor wire.

But of course, THEY were cowards...
I am so glad the right side one the war, that`s why someone like you gets to express yourself today in such a fashion!

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I am so glad the right side one the war, that`s why some like you gets to express yourself today in such a fashion!
You do realise that the out comes of the frankly pointless first world war were major contributors to the beginning of the second, the radicalising of the down trodden Germans and the holocaust?

If there had been more people like me to begin with we would have had neither war nor poppies.

Britain my have won the war but at what cost? And who is to hold the Brits/yanks accountable for their war atrocities, Dresden, Munich, for example.

At the same time that the 'tommies' where garroting krouts in the trenches the black and tans (a Scottish division of the British army) where throwing Irish babies in the air and bayoneting them as they fell, you remember that? No didn't think so...
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Re: Wearing a Poppy

There is something quite McCarthyite about the way Jon Snow is being treated. If someone chooses not to wear one, thats their business.

I won't surrender to 'poppy fascism': C4 News host Jon Snow refuses to bow to viewer demand to wear the emblem

By Paul Revoir
Last updated at 12:47 PM on 3rd November 2010

News presenter Jon Snow has refused to bow to viewer demands for him to wear a poppy, branding it ‘poppy fascism’.

The Channel 4 host retorted ‘On yer bike’ and ‘Hitler lost the war’ after he was criticised for not wearing the emblem.

A viewer, writing under the name Stan, posted a comment on Mr Snow’s blog telling the presenter he was ‘dishonouring’ the war dead because he had refused to wear a poppy during broadcasts.

The remark provoked an angry response from Mr Snow, who said soldiers had died so that people had the freedom to choose when and where not to wear the symbol.

He cited a wave of ‘poppy fascism’, in which public figures are criticised for not wearing the poppy when appearing on television.

On the Snowblog site, Stan said of Mr Snow: ‘Jon, when you ride your bike, do you ever think of the hundreds of thousands of British troops who gave their lives in World War II to keep our great country free.

‘You alone dishonour them by not wearing a poppy. You look what you are on your bike.’

But Mr Snow replied: ‘Stan, they died that we might be free to wear a poppy whenever we wish. I wish to wear mine on Remembrance Sunday.

‘When you wish to wear yours is your business. Compelling people to wear poppies because YOU think they OUGHT to is precisely the poppy fascism, or intolerance, that I have complained of in the past.

‘On yer bike Stan, with or without a poppy, it is all your own free choice. Hitler lost the war!’

Mr Snow received some support, however. One blogger wrote: ‘Stan, I like to have a go at Jon for his political bias, but you are out of order for criticising anyone for not wearing a poppy. That is a choice in this country we are allowed to make.’

Others also said that the fact that all of the BBC’s presenters were apparently being told to wear them was simply a ‘cosmetic show’.

Mr Snow drew attention to the row on Twitter, later adding: ‘They died that we might choose... I shall choose to on Remembrance Sunday in concert with others, in church, not on telly.’ He added that he had already bought his poppy in case none was left when he returns from covering the U.S. mid-term elections.

The row emerged after the BBC came under fire for allowing presenters such as Andrew Marr and Clare Balding to wear charity poppies too early. Several appeared on screen wearing one ahead of the Royal British Legion’s official appeal launch.

Viewers of Channel 4 News have complained about Mr Snow’s failure to wear a poppy in the past. He has said he will not wear any ‘symbols’ on air, saying this was a matter for his private life.

A Channel 4 spokesman said: ‘We don’t impose a requirement to wear poppies... nor is there a deliberate decision not to do so.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...surrender.html
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Old 04.11.2010, 19:12
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You do realise that the out comes of the frankly pointless first world war were major contributors to the beginning of the second, the radicalising of the down trodden Germans and the holocaust?

If there had been more people like me to begin with we would have had neither war nor poppies.

Britain my have won the war but at what cost? And who is to hold the Brits/yanks accountable for their war atrocities, Dresden, Munich, for example.

At the same time that the 'tommies' where garroting krouts in the trenches the black and tans (a Scottish division of the British army) where throwing Irish babies in the air and bayoneting them as they fell, you remember that? No didn't think so...
Sounds like your are a person with a big chip on your shoulder, grow up and move on, you and your mindset cannot change the past and if your think that your words now can do so, then your are living some kind of absurd dream.
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Sounds like your are a person with a big chip on your shoulder, grow up and move on, you and your mindset cannot change the past and if your think that your words now can do so, then your are living some kind of absurd dream.
Your statement made no sense, I'm not trying to 'change' anything, all I am saying is that we should remember EVERYTHING that the young men and women that we train to kill and give guns to do, and the 'absurd dream' you talk about is the bitter reality of war-fair.

I'm glad you agree with me that it is time to forget (albeit you seem to agree somewhat inadvertently).
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At the same time that the 'tommies' where garroting krouts in the trenches the black and tans (a Scottish division of the British army) where throwing Irish babies in the air and bayoneting them as they fell, you remember that? No didn't think so...
If you must post drivel, make sure it's accurate drivel.

The black and tans were auxileries employed by the RIC and were not part of the British Army. Many of their members were indeed from Scotland which is why this myth arose and most were wwi veterans. They were formed in 1920 and so did not even exist during wwi.

Many of the atrocities attributed to the tans have since been proven to have been committed by the RIC. That doesn't mean that they weren't a nasty bunch of monsters but they should only be hung for the sheep and not the lamb.
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If you must post drivel, make sure it's accurate drivel.

The black and tans were auxileries employed by the RIC and were not part of the British Army. Many of their members were indeed from Scotland which is why this myth arose and most were wwi veterans. They were formed in 1920 and so did not even exist during wwi.

Many of the atrocities attributed to the tans have since been proven to have been committed by the RIC. That doesn't mean that they weren't a nasty bunch of monsters but they should only be hung for the sheep and not the lamb.
A rose by any other name smells as sweet, the Black and Tans were probably all at the Somme, they where employed funded and armed by the crown, which in my eyes makes them army, they where mostly all ex-army, so I would actually like an apology for your attempt to discredit me.
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Old 05.11.2010, 11:41
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A rose by any other name smells as sweet, the Black and Tans were probably all at the Somme, they where employed funded and armed by the crown, which in my eyes makes them army, they where mostly all ex-army, so I would actually like an apology for your attempt to discredit me.
The later actions of a few negate the sacrifice of the many?

Of course we shouldn't forget the crimes of the past, but I don't necessarily think we should have a anti-poppy day recalling atrocities or something.

The fairly simple matter is, that many young men volunteered or were conscripted into an army and fought bravely. We remember, not the politics behind the conflict, but rather the place of the soldier. There are still many from the Second World War alive in the UK and money from the Poppy Appeal goes to help some of them. We remember not victories, nor heroism, but those that returned changed, and those that did not return.

It is entirely possible to be anti-war, to recognise that wrongs are committed by winning as well as losing sides, but also to remember and thank the soldiers of the past.
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A rose by any other name smells as sweet, the Black and Tans were probably all at the Somme, they where employed funded and armed by the crown, which in my eyes makes them army, they where mostly all ex-army, so I would actually like an apology for your attempt to discredit me.
That wasn't an attempt to discredit you . Just the misinformation you posted.

How old are you anyway ?

Now that was an attempt to discredit you .
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Unless they're French Canadian. But they'd be wearing the nicer (3-d) Canadian poppy so you'd probably notice.
HB Chan you explain the(3-d) to me , please
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HB Chan you explain the(3-d) to me , please
A Canadian remembrance poppy:



I think it's a convex vs concave difference rather than a dimensional difference.
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A rose by any other name smells as sweet, the Black and Tans were probably all at the Somme, they where employed funded and armed by the crown, which in my eyes makes them army, they where mostly all ex-army, so I would actually like an apology for your attempt to discredit me.
And your bollocks by any other name would be...

But as you don't know your arse from your elbow wiki can help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans

War is nasty, horrible and can result in events that are difficult to reconcile... especially from an armchair, but maybe your angst would be best directed towards the governments who create the environment for war, rather than the poor sods who end up doing the dying, or have to survive with the after effects.
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ah, what is the point.. time to forget..
What ever suits you,fine with me.For the "What the point " No point to explain it to you
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And your bollocks by any other name would be...

But as you don't know your arse from your elbow wiki can help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans

War is nasty, horrible and can result in events that are difficult to reconcile... especially from an armchair, but maybe your angst would be best directed towards the governments who create the environment for war, rather than the poor sods who end up doing the dying, or have to survive with the after effects.
I will not stoop to your level of discussion and I think the article affirms what I said. To make it easy on you I will summarize my points in bullets (no pun intended).

· The horror of war should be remembered and the vicious killing animals who rape and torture as well as kill and die for the country should also be remembered
· The Disloyalty of the commanders and the government and the murders of the ‘cowards’ by firing squad after kangaroo courts in which quite often men were killed pour encourager les autresshould be remembered.
· The pointless expiationary exercise war is should be remembered


We shall remember, oh I will, I will remember it all, you can salute that in a pretty suit and shiny boots.
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I will not stoop to your level of discussion and I think the article affirms what I said. To make it easy on you I will summarize my points in bullets (no pun intended).

· The horror of war should be remembered and the vicious killing animals who rape and torture as well as kill and die for the country should also be remembered
· The Disloyalty of the commanders and the government and the murders of the ‘cowards’ by firing squad after kangaroo courts in which quite often men were killed pour encourager les autresshould be remembered.
· The pointless expiationary exercise war is should be remembered


We shall remember, oh I will, I will remember it all, you can salute that in a pretty suit and shiny boots.
Do that!Now I have to go and read up about the IRA
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I will not stoop to your level of discussion and I think the article affirms what I said. To make it easy on you I will summarize my points in bullets (no pun intended).

· The horror of war should be remembered and the vicious killing animals who rape and torture as well as kill and die for the country should also be remembered
· The Disloyalty of the commanders and the government and the murders of the ‘cowards’ by firing squad after kangaroo courts in which quite often men were killed pour encourager les autresshould be remembered.
· The pointless expiationary exercise war is should be remembered


We shall remember, oh I will, I will remember it all, you can salute that in a pretty suit and shiny boots.

Hahaha,

You have your own little war going on now, don`t you? don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?don`t you?

Wow repetition sound just like a Tommy gun
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just my point of view by the way, this whole thing is getting to much, I think its time for me to face the firing squad...
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just my point of view by the way, this whole thing is getting to much, I think its time for me to face the firing squad...
Now now, there is nothing wrong with having a view, but plenty wrong with rubbing people up the wrong way, its Friday go have a beer or coffee or what ever your smoke is and just chill! It`s almost the weekend!
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