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Old 05.11.2010, 13:53
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just my point of view by the way, this whole thing is getting to much, I think its time for me to face the firing squad...
I would gladly volunteering for this
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Old 05.11.2010, 15:31
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Re: Wearing a Poppy

The bayonetting babies story has been levelled against:

o The German army in WW1
o The Black and Tans
o The Japanese army in WW2
o The SS in WW2
o Mugabe's ZANU-P
o Saddam's army in Kuwait
o Cossacks during the pogroms
o The Red Army in Afghanistan
o The British Redcoats during the American War of Independence
o The RUC in Belfast

In some instances, it's been true (for extra credit, which ones? ). But in the majority it's been a device used by the opponents to instill fear and hatred into the populace.
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The bayonetting babies story has been levelled against:

o The German army in WW1
o The Black and Tans
o The Japanese army in WW2
o The SS in WW2
o Mugabe's ZANU-P
o Saddam's army in Kuwait
o Cossacks during the pogroms
o The Red Army in Afghanistan
o The British Redcoats during the American War of Independence
o The RUC in Belfast

In some instances, it's been true (for extra credit, which ones? ). But in the majority it's been a device used by the opponents to instill fear and hatred into the populace.
Propaganda toll used by the British against Germany .But after the hostility ended the British apologized
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Old 05.11.2010, 16:18
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The bayonetting babies story has been levelled against:

o The German army in WW1
o The Black and Tans
o The Japanese army in WW2
o The SS in WW2
o Mugabe's ZANU-P
o Saddam's army in Kuwait
o Cossacks during the pogroms
o The Red Army in Afghanistan
o The British Redcoats during the American War of Independence
o The RUC in Belfast

In some instances, it's been true (for extra credit, which ones? ). But in the majority it's been a device used by the opponents to instill fear and hatred into the populace.
I'm pretty sure that's untrue about the RUC, otherwise we would have heard much more about it.
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Old 05.11.2010, 16:25
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Your statement made no sense, I'm not trying to 'change' anything, all I am saying is that we should remember EVERYTHING that the young men and women that we train to kill and give guns to do, and the 'absurd dream' you talk about is the bitter reality of war-fair.

I'm glad you agree with me that it is time to forget (albeit you seem to agree somewhat inadvertently).
Warefare has never been fair nor a fair!! I'm just glad that I have never had to go but I will always wear a poppy and I wear it with pride for all those who have given and still continue to give their lives, so that we may live in a better, safer World!

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Warefare has never been fair nor a fair!! I'm just glad that I have never had to go but I will always wear a poppy and I wear it wit pride for all those who have giver and still continue to give their lives, so that we may live in a better, safer World!
sorry typo, and I couldn't change it for some reason
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Well ok I've highlighted my objections in the previous post and I think they are understandable to all. I'm not against 'those who protect us' and that argument, just the whole 'we must remember' stuff, it happened and we must draw a line under it not glamourise it with parades and uniforms.

Ok so that is really just IRA propaganda about the baby bayoneting, but there is documented evidence that they murdered, obducted and starved people, and (like James Bond) had a license to kill, granted by the Crown.

I'm actually sick of this now, having a liberal point of view on here is akin to having AIDS.
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Old 05.11.2010, 17:11
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Well ok I've highlighted my objections in the previous post and I think they are understandable to all. I'm not against 'those who protect us' and that argument, just the whole 'we must remember' stuff, it happened and we must draw a line under it not glamourise it with parades and uniforms.

Ok so that is really just IRA propaganda about the baby bayoneting, but there is documented evidence that they murdered, obducted and starved people, and (like James Bond) had a license to kill, granted by the Crown.

I'm actually sick of this now, having a liberal point of view on here is akin to having AIDS.
I'm pretty liberal (about some things), but I think your posts suffer partly because of your style . . . you're a bit sensationalist, it's the political equivalent of OMG! WTF!

Also, most people probably aren't that happy with criticising an effort to raise money for old servicemen, just when that campaign has its one time in the year in the spotlight.

As I said before, you can be anti-war, but you can still respect old soldiers . . . this is far from glamourisation.

As for liberalism and wars . . . I think most liberals are fairly ok with the Second World War, there's not very much disagreement of moral ambiguity about that one.
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I was in Britain when all the 'Harry Patch' thing was going on, and I was saddened by the reporters seemingly forcing the old man to retell stories of all the Germans he killed and how he was a 'true hero', the reporters interviewing him seemed to want him to agree that Afghanistan was good and the people where dying for a 'cause', good old harry was adamant that they weren't, and they shouldn't. link >

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/08/...f-harry-patch/
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I'm actually sick of this now, having a liberal point of view on here is akin to having AIDS.
Try saying something that supports the Republicans and see what reaction you get.

I think it's not so much your liberal p.o.v. but the shaky foundations which some of your arguments are based. Stick to "inflammatory" puns. That made I laugh.
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Old 05.11.2010, 18:02
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Well ok I've highlighted my objections in the previous post and I think they are understandable to all. I'm not against 'those who protect us' and that argument, just the whole 'we must remember' stuff, it happened and we must draw a line under it not glamourise it with parades and uniforms.

Ok so that is really just IRA propaganda about the baby bayoneting, but there is documented evidence that they murdered, obducted and starved people, and (like James Bond) had a license to kill, granted by the Crown.

I'm actually sick of this now, having a liberal point of view on here is akin to having AIDS.
Having a liberal opinion and trying to make the poppy campaign look like a war mongering campaign are two different thing .Best thing for you open a thread under which title you want .
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Old 06.11.2010, 11:19
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Re: Wearing a Poppy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/no...erans-complain

Some veterans agree.
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just as FYI... I was in the AmericanMarket in Geneva at lunchtime... no sign of poppies there.

but there is always Jim's if you don't mind a little drive ( st. Genis , france )
Pickwicks in Geneva have poppies.
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So then, could someone please tell me the point?
Millions of brave men and women (I am sure someone in your family tree included) gave their lives to allow you to live your life how you do today, is that not enough for you? There is a whole lot more to it than that but i don’t think it can be put any more simpler than that as to why we should remember these men and women.
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kinda missing the point. it not just about remembering the sacrifices the solders made during the great wars, its also to remind everyone just how futile wars are. Millions of young lives lost, and for what?? (more relating to ww1 then ww2)
No its not, its to remember those who lost their lives.
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You do realise that the out comes of the frankly pointless first world war were major contributors to the beginning of the second, the radicalising of the down trodden Germans and the holocaust?

If there had been more people like me to begin with we would have had neither war nor poppies.

Britain my have won the war but at what cost? And who is to hold the Brits/yanks accountable for their war atrocities, Dresden, Munich, for example.

At the same time that the 'tommies' where garroting krouts in the trenches the black and tans (a Scottish division of the British army) where throwing Irish babies in the air and bayoneting them as they fell, you remember that? No didn't think so...
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Tell you what... all those who want to wear a poppy, wear one.

And all those who don't want to wear one, don't wear one.

And if anyone tries to make you wear a poppy, tell them to go **** themselves.

And if anyone gives you grief for wearing a poppy, tell them to go **** themselves.

Then everyone will be happy, no?
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ah, what is the point.. time to forget..
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Your statement made no sense, I'm not trying to 'change' anything, all I am saying is that we should remember EVERYTHING that the young men and women that we train to kill and give guns to do, and the 'absurd dream' you talk about is the bitter reality of war-fair.

I'm glad you agree with me that it is time to forget (albeit you seem to agree somewhat inadvertently).
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Tell you what... all those who want to wear a poppy, wear one.

And all those who don't want to wear one, don't wear one.

And if anyone tries to make you wear a poppy, tell them to go **** themselves.

And if anyone gives you grief for wearing a poppy, tell them to go **** themselves.

Then everyone will be happy, no?
Correct and the fact that millions upon millions around the world choose to remember in somw way, speaks for itself.
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Correct and the fact that millions upon millions around the world choose to remember in somw way, speaks for itself.
Yeah, good. Now do you want to drop the subject before we all die of boredom?
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