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Old 24.11.2009, 17:13
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Re: Child Hit by a Car, Gockhausen.

Having lived in Gockhausen myself for many years I am well aware that this road is used as a short cut and as such sees heavy traffic at certain times of day. Most people using this road are not Gockhauseners but people from much further afield and as such the status of this road is higher than the authorities will admit. I witnessed several accidents on that road, espacially on the Dübendorf side and in the forest between Gockhausen and Dübendorf. The cause was invariably people driving too fast or overtaking in dangerous places.

I'm not convinced that the positioning of the zebra crossings is the problem here as I wouldn't know where else to locate them without forcing pedestrians to make long detours - the result of which is that most pedestrians will chose to ignore them and hence the safety issue won't be solved. A bus stop is a natural place to locate a zebra crossing in my opinion as this is a place where people are most likely to want to cross the road. The only sensible solution I can see here are speed cameras. But of course we can't have that because the SVP have a problem with the police making any money.
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The quality and positioning/location of the zebra-crossings have been a topic in Switzerland since the late 1970ies and so I am fairly confident that something may happen on a federal level unti the end of the 21st Century and after about 29 popular votes and yes, after a few dozen more deads
Except in the more civilised western end of the country, were many school area crossings are already painted on a red background, fitted with amber flashing lights and limited to 40 km/h.
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Old 24.11.2009, 20:23
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Re: Child Hit by a Car, Gockhausen.

Update: the boy has been brought out of the coma; his first gesture was to try to rip-out his breathing tube. My daughter said "it sounds just like him!". According to his sister, he is having headaches, but the prognosis is good and he should be out of the hospital in 2 weeks.

I am so relieved, but still concerned; I just hope that Duebendorf finally does something about that bus stop.
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Old 06.06.2011, 20:53
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Re: Child Hit by a Car, Gockhausen.

Another accident in Gockhausen. Buses detoured through Duebendorf, up Untere Geerenstrasse and through Obere Geerenstrasse. Total chaos.

My daughter may be at the Lycee next year and I am so worried about her walk to school and home again.

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Re: Child Hit by a Car, Gockhausen.

I don't know the exact spot, so it may be that you can't see the car coming. But I remember a kid being hit in front of our school because he was aping around with his friends and didn't check the road. He died, the driver couldn't do a thing and has to live with the thought of having killed someone for the rest of his life.

So I reckon you should ALSO tell your kids that cars generally win and if in doubt, check twice. And STOP writing that bloody SMS before you cross. If you do see a spot that is dangerous, tell your Gemeinde about it, start a petition, do something.
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Old 06.06.2011, 21:37
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Re: Child Hit by a Car, Gockhausen.

Thirty years ago, a kid ran out and ran into the car I was driving, hitting the rear quarter panel (he literally rammed the rear of the car). Fortunately, he had no serious injuries.

It of course disturbed me despite the fact that there were multiple witnesses who all agreed that there was nothing I could have done as he had run out form within come bushes.

N.B. This was not at, nor near, any kind of crossing.

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Old 06.06.2011, 22:01
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I don't know the exact spot, so it may be that you can't see the car coming. But I remember a kid being hit in front of our school because he was aping around with his friends and didn't check the road. He died, the driver couldn't do a thing and has to live with the thought of having killed someone for the rest of his life.

So I reckon you should ALSO tell your kids that cars generally win and if in doubt, check twice. And STOP writing that bloody SMS before you cross. If you do see a spot that is dangerous, tell your Gemeinde about it, start a petition, do something.
One of my best school-friends, at age 9 ran onto the road in pursuit of his ball, but ran right under a truck. He passed away two and half a week later. We for years on end at least twice per year went to the cemetary to visit his grave. And many of us from then, as car-drivers and as pedestrians, if seeing children doing rubbish, get out and stop the approaching traffic, as none of us will ever forget Rico T.... , never
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So very true.

I would support having school zones marked down to 20kph between the hours of 7:30-9am and 3-5pm similar to what I've seen in a few locations in Florida.
where I grew up school zones were 15mph. Everywhere else I ever lived they were 25mph.

30km/h in residential areas of Switzerland is slower than it is in US residential neighborhoods and damn near close to 15mph.
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where I grew up school zones were 15mph. Everywhere else I ever lived they were 25mph.

30km/h in residential areas of Switzerland is slower than it is in US residential neighborhoods and damn near close to 15mph.
The problem with the main road through Gockhausen is that it is built like a major road, and in function it is a major road as it provides the fastest and directest connection between Dübendorf and Zürichberg but the authorities are in denial over it claiming it is a minor road of only local significance. They should either narrow it down and add obstacles so people are forced to drive slowly, or they should admit it is a major road and treat it accordingly but what is happening now is just confusing and asking for trouble. I wonder how many drivers using that road every day are even aware of the presence of the several schools in Gockhausen?
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Old 07.06.2011, 10:07
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So I reckon you should ALSO tell your kids that cars generally win and if in doubt, check twice. And STOP writing that bloody SMS before you cross. If you do see a spot that is dangerous, tell your Gemeinde about it, start a petition, do something.
Absolutely. There was a campaign in our town to get one moved which succeeded.

It was near a school and children had to cross a busy road twice (the second time on a blind corner).

The solution was to continue the pavement along the first side of the road so the children didn't need to cross it at all and to move the crossing on the blind corner away from it.

I think the event that swayed the decision in our favour was the fact that the farmer's hut on the corner was demolished by a car coming around the corner too fast.


Unrelated: A child was knocked down by a car in Wollerau last week whilst crossing at a pedestrian crossing.

If you are near a crossing with children near it - slow right down and get ready to stop.
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If you are near a crossing with children near it - slow right down and get ready to stop.
AGGHHH, (OT) rant rant rant. Stood at the bus stop this morning near our place and counted SEVEN drivers ignore a kid of about 8 years old clearly standing at a pedestrian crossing waiting to cross. AGGHHHH!!!


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AGGHHH, (OT) rant rant rant. Stood at the bus stop this morning near our place and counted SEVEN drivers ignore a kid of about 8 years old clearly standing at a pedestrian crossing waiting to cross. AGGHHHH!!!


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And there was a thread on here not so long ago where people were complaining about a possibly set-up scenario with a child standing near a crossing with a police car around the corner stopping all those drivers who didn't stop.

I'd like to see more of this kind of thing so we can get those drivers off the road and onto public transport which is obviously a means of travel more fitting with their observational capacities.

..aaaand - calm...
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And there was a thread on here not so long ago where people were complaining about a possibly set-up scenario with a child standing near a crossing with a police car around the corner stopping all those drivers who didn't stop.

I'd like to see more of this kind of thing so we can get those drivers off the road and onto public transport which is obviously a means of travel more fitting with their observational capacities.

..aaaand - calm...
I remember the thread. To be honest, I think it would be a waste of time and totally unnecessary to stage a set up - the police just need to surreptitiously station themselves near any of the hundreds of crossings in the city and they'll be picking the offending drivers out by the dozen.

That crossing near us might as well not be there for all the mind drivers pay to it.



Sorry, sorry - back to Gockhausen...

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I remember the thread. To be honest, I think it would be a waste of time and totally unnecessary to stage a set up - the police just need to surreptitiously station themselves near any of the hundreds of crossings in the city and they'll be picking the offending drivers out by the dozen.

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I meant police near crossings observing - not the set-up bit. As you say, it's not really needed!
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Re: Child Hit by a Car, Gockhausen.

We live in Dietlikon and sometimes use the Gockhausen road to get to Zürich quickly over the Züriberg - or to take the kids to the Zoo.

As others have said, it is NOT a Minor road and going down hill ("down mountain" is a better description) always needs concentration and careful speed control.

There should be at least "rubble" braking strips on the downward sectors through the Village.

I would suggest petitioning the Gemeinde or better, meeting the Gemeinde President in PERSON.

After 10+ Years here, I find that sorting out "bureaucratic" snags face-to-face works better than bouncing e-mails or letters.
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Except in the more civilised western end of the country, were many school area crossings are already painted on a red background, fitted with amber flashing lights and limited to 40 km/h.
You say it : MANY ......
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