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Re: Does the Swiss Army really use this knife?

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I did search, but couldn't find anything to prove or disprove, so will be glad if you could provide me with anything to substantiate your statement of "Nonsense".

Cheers,
I was an officer in the 'seventies and 'eighties. My Dad was an officer in the forties through late sixties. I have no info before the late forties, but my Dad and I always had the same knife as our soldiers. The same applies to all ranks up to generals. What's more, the "Dienstbüchlein", the booklet that very accurately lists every item of the personal equipment of a soldier, has only one entry for the pocket knife, which very clearly means there is no special kind for officers, no matter how much brass they have on their shoulders. Sorry I don't have more substantial evidence.

Needless to say my remark concerning chaplains was a joke.
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Old 30.11.2009, 04:23
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Needless to say my remark concerning chaplains was a joke.
Wait a second---does this mean there were entries in this thread that WASN'T a joke?

Seriously, congratulations on your service. Although boot camp probably would be a living hell for me, the U.S. would probably be a better place if we had compulsory service like Switzerland. (Of course, that's easy for me to say NOW since I'm 41...)

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Old 30.11.2009, 06:04
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I was an officer in the 'seventies and 'eighties. My Dad was an officer in the forties through late sixties. I have no info before the late forties, but my Dad and I always had the same knife as our soldiers. The same applies to all ranks up to generals. What's more, the "Dienstbüchlein", the booklet that very accurately lists every item of the personal equipment of a soldier, has only one entry for the pocket knife, which very clearly means there is no special kind for officers, no matter how much brass they have on their shoulders. Sorry I don't have more substantial evidence.

Needless to say my remark concerning chaplains was a joke.
Yes my dad had one also during the general mobilization. (He had the honor of getting yelled at in person by General Guisan also for his unlaced shoes).
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Old 30.11.2009, 06:07
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Wait a second---does this mean there were entries in this thread that WASN'T a joke?

Seriously, congratulations on your service. Although boot camp probably would be a living hell for me, the U.S. would probably be a better place if we had compulsory service like Switzerland. (Of course, that's easy for me to say NOW since I'm 41...)

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Yes. We would think twice before sending our troops 6000 miles away.

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No, not really. The knife is really designed to dismantle a rifle including holding the firing pin and yes, we also carried pretty much 2 of everything as the Swiss are so wacko regarding cleanliness. We would use plastic everything and keep the equipment we received completely pristine just for inspections.
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I was an officer in the 'seventies and 'eighties. My Dad was an officer in the forties through late sixties. I have no info before the late forties, but my Dad and I always had the same knife as our soldiers. The same applies to all ranks up to generals. What's more, the "Dienstbüchlein", the booklet that very accurately lists every item of the personal equipment of a soldier, has only one entry for the pocket knife, which very clearly means there is no special kind for officers, no matter how much brass they have on their shoulders. Sorry I don't have more substantial evidence.

Needless to say my remark concerning chaplains was a joke.
Had to come back to this one, took a while, as I was still wiping the egg off my face.
Still, not one to easily accept being duped, I had another search.

Seems we are both right. There is a patented "Officers knife", just, it is not the standard issue in the Swiss Army.

Here are some, I hope, reliable links to help my cause.

http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?page=75〈=E

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...iss-Army-knife

http://www.patricktaylor.com/swiss-army-knife

I feel better for that now.

Sorry 22yards, if I squashed the thread for you, I didn't want to do it, but you see, I do have a bit of a thing about knives, I really, really like them, all nice and shiny and pointy and clever and, well,,, I could easily go on, but I won't

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Old 01.12.2009, 19:46
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Re: Does the Swiss Army really use this knife?

I am dual nationality...English/Swiss and I had to go in the Swiss army when I lived here last time. We did not have to buy a knife and the knife we had issued to us was the basic silver knife with the Swiss flag on it. Mind you the bayonet that came with the rifle was pretty deadly!!!
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Mind you the bayonet that came with the rifle was pretty deadly!!!
Was it shaped like a minaret?
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Ha, ha...not quite
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Just to add I am an athiest but respect all religions and people who follow them
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Re: Does the Swiss Army really use this knife?

I got one of these in my RAF days. Useless for everything
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This here is the "official" one you needed to have with you all the time




while things like THIS one are what really are in use, mostly for its bottle opener :



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Old 01.12.2009, 22:24
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Re: Does the Swiss Army really use this knife?

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Yes, they do. Every enlisted soldier is required to purchase that model with their own funds before they commence their training, which means that in excess of 50% of the youth of Switzerland is toting one of these babies on the streets.

Incidentally, that is the reason why passengers are not scanned on domestic flights in Switzerland -- the alarm would go off incessantly, so the civil aviation authority has waived the requirement to "check weapons at the door". In any case, hijacking an aircraft is illegal in Switzerland, so it doesn't happen.
I know that in 1969 and for sure in early 1972, the simple silber knifes were handed out free-of-charge as part of the "ordonnance-equipment". Officially, nobody ever took interest in our having a better variant with us, but all officers took it for granted, and could quite bluntly ask you "can I have your knife for that bottle, I mean the real one ! "

I for years was in the office of a staff battery, and at the end of each term collected everything left, and so, everybody knew that I usually carried, at the beginning of a new term, some three of five caps, some two to five knifes, one to four ammunition cans, and much else with me, ready to help out. Which was quite amusing. And was nice as when I went "out of stock" suddenly somebody helped me out of trouble

When flying out of Switzerland, the strange thing is that pocket knifes, at least until a few years ago, were tolerated OUT of Switzerland (except destination USA) but not on your return
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Do you mean every Swiss solder must purchase a GIANT Swiss Army knife which costs $1400 USD or almost as much as the computer I'm typing this post on?

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An "ordonnance knife" costs between US$ 20.-- and US$ 35.--, and a good pocket knife between US$ 30.-- and US$ 80.-- anyway.
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Yes that's the knife every soldier gets (not a joke). But gladly, the gun has changed:

http://www.news-service.admin.ch/NSB...ments/3900.jpg
While THIS here



is the thing I had in our apartment between 1972 and 92 .
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The marching seems a bit sloppy:

http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?s...11100926049635

I'm mightily amused that the Swiss have a combined defence and sports ministry.
Sports were in the Interior (and education) Ministry until Mr Ogi (before that Transportation Minister was more or less forced to take over defence. He only was ready if he could get sports into his ministry. He earlier on was a sports functionary, and so, while Defence Minister, spent most of his time caring for sports affairs. The then Interior Minister, Mrs Ruth Dreyfus, was not interested in sports, rather in culture and good eating, and so did not resist.
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But the most important tool is still not on: A corkscrew!
This is a kind of subsidy to Victorinox. Everybody knows that any soldier so buys a SECOND knife !
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Golly,,, seems Wollishofener has even more of a thing about knives than I do!
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Was it shaped like a minaret?
YES indeed. Just look here :



























The most useless equipment ever to be met. But hell broke loose if you forget to have it with you !

True, you for instance could use it to take a cervalat onto it and keep it over the fire, or make a hole into the earth for deposit some rubbish, or keep the door opened by putting your bayonet under it, and some other such sophisticated usages !
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Re: Does the Swiss Army really use this knife?

the powers that be , have just banned all british boy scouts from carrying knives.
it seems this was a positive step , as i havent read about anyone being stabbed to death by a spotty sixer for quite a while now.
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We would use plastic everything and keep the equipment we received completely pristine just for inspections.
It is vital that you keep your tool(s) clean at all times just in case there is a need for enemy penetration
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