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Old 24.01.2008, 21:36
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

Well not in the city they don't. At least not in my experience. I must say I really don't fancy too much getting yelled at by a cyclist when I come to a t-crossing with limited visibility to the left and have the cyclist flying out in front of my car from my left and then on top of that getting screamed at. I would love to know what goes on in a cyclist mind when he reasons with himself why the traffic rules does not apply to him.


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Are people here afraid of cyclists???? Let them be. It's only a TINY minority that brakes the rules. Most cyclists follow every single rule and are curteous. Some people need to learn to live and let live.
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Old 24.01.2008, 21:53
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Well not in the city they don't. At least not in my experience. I must say I really don't fancy too much getting yelled at by a cyclist when I come to a t-crossing with limited visibility to the left and have the cyclist flying out in front of my car from my left and then on top of that getting screamed at. I would love to know what goes on in a cyclist mind when he reasons with himself why the traffic rules does not apply to him.
Ahh yes the "cyclists can not come from the left rule" WTF are you talking about!!!
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Can_Dude i have to totally agree with you on this one.
I was being sarcastic.
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Old 25.01.2008, 09:47
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I was being sarcastic.
That's a shame, it was one of the first things that you've said that I agree with.
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Old 25.01.2008, 10:56
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

No Matee We Are Just Afraid of Killing one or two or being killed as a result of, some the silly ones out there, as far as breaking the rules ,,,,, take a little look along Wesrstrasse in Weidikon on a Saturday The Men In Black will give you a first hand experience as to road rules being broken, Hey I also agree there are a lot of courteous riders on the roads but more shelfish one's with attitudes,,,you know,, It's my Bike and I'll Ride Like I Want To!!!!! Live and Let Die,, Is that your motto? appart from Skate Boards Push Bikes are the most vulnerable mode of transport on our roads, we must be aware of them as well as them being aware or us, it's not a one way street.
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Old 25.01.2008, 11:14
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No Matee We Are Just Afraid of Killing one or two or being killed as a result of, some the silly ones out there, as far as breaking the rules ,,,,, take a little look along Wesrstrasse in Weidikon on a Saturday The Men In Black will give you a first hand experience as to road rules being broken, Hey I also agree there are a lot of courteous riders on the roads but more shelfish one's with attitudes,,,you know,, It's my Bike and I'll Ride Like I Want To!!!!! Live and Let Die,, Is that your motto? appart from Skate Boards Push Bikes are the most vulnerable mode of transport on our roads, we must be aware of them as well as them being aware or us, it's not a one way street.
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Ozbloke,

Again, reading between the lines of your indecipherable babble, you seem to be blissfully unaware of reality. (UK statistics : source)

Motor cyclists seriously injured or killed in 2002 : 28'353
Cyclists seriously injured or killed in 2002 : 17'107

Motor cyclists killed in 2002 : 609
Cyclists killed in 2002 : 130

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Old 25.01.2008, 13:04
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No Matee We Are Just Afraid of Killing one or two or being killed as a result of, some the silly ones out there, as far as breaking the rules ,,,,, take a little look along Wesrstrasse in Weidikon on a Saturday The Men In Black will give you a first hand experience as to road rules being broken, Hey I also agree there are a lot of courteous riders on the roads but more shelfish one's with attitudes,,,you know,, It's my Bike and I'll Ride Like I Want To!!!!! Live and Let Die,, Is that your motto? appart from Skate Boards Push Bikes are the most vulnerable mode of transport on our roads, we must be aware of them as well as them being aware or us, it's not a one way street.
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Re. highlighted text: Thank goodness there're no mid-life crisis, hairy, badass people who buy into an expensive, mass-produced, corporate, fabricated independent 'Lifestyle' who think that way

And what's with the "Men in Black" comment? I guess you're refering to Hasidim?

At least you kindly mention "we" having to "be aware of them as well as them being aware or us, it's not a one way street." Good to know...
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Old 25.01.2008, 13:05
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

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Some motorists here delibratley try to take you down, Us cyclists have it hard here in ZH !

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Old 28.01.2008, 23:49
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I also believe that this comment is completely missing the point. Just because a cars are bigger and can go faster (when on an open stretch of road) does not mean that they have more right to be on the road than a cyclist, and that cyclists should bow down to them and give them every piece of space possible. In many situations, the safest way to cycle is to act as if you are a vehicle (how else could a bike ever make a left turn?), many cycling guides tell you this and I'm certain that the Swiss version of the highway code states this somewhere.

For the best advice on how to bike safely that I've ever read, check out this awesome website: bicyclesafe.com. As the intro to the site says, its not about wearing a helmet or how to follow the rules of the road (although it encourages you to do both of these), but it is about how to avoid getting hit by a car by being aware of which situations are the most dangerous for cyclists. Maybe some drivers should also read it so that they are aware when they are most seriously endangering cyclists, and why cyclists may sometimes behave in certain ways.

In regards to evilshell's responses, none of the examples appears to be a situation in which a bike was causing a problem by acting like a car, but they are all examples of cyclists doing things that would be illegal to do in a car as well as on a bike: riding the wrong way down a one way street, riding without lights, performing dangerous maneuvers on downhills, etc. I totally agree that if you're riding without lights then anything that happens to you is your fault (even though the law might say otherwise), but this is not an example of a cyclist causing a problem because he/she is trying to act like they are a motorized vehicle.
fantastic website even though it is all common sense, all cyclists should re-read it, won't necessarily save you though as i was recently taking a long way home through the vineyards to avoid traffic and ended up on the pavement with a smashed shoulder and smashed elbow and no-one but fate to blame. but then again my physio told me that a cyclist was killed in zurich recently because he fell on his head, we aren't invincible so be careful
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

You've all lost your minds. You would be hard pressed to find a case where a cyclist who was not following the rules of the road killed someone. As for those driving motorised vehicles? Take your pick.

I find the cyclists who do not follow the rules refreshing in a country overburdened with them.

Riding the wrong way on a one way street? Good for you!

Didn't signal that turn? Way to go!

Don't have lights on your bike? What a rebel!
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I find the cyclists who do not follow the rules refreshing in a country overburdened with them.

Riding the wrong way on a one way street? Good for you!

Didn't signal that turn? Way to go!

Don't have lights on your bike? What a rebel!
Squashed under a truck? Rock and roll!
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Ozbloke,

Again, reading between the lines of your indecipherable babble, you seem to be blissfully unaware of reality. (UK statistics : source)

Motor cyclists seriously injured or killed in 2002 : 28'353
Cyclists seriously injured or killed in 2002 : 17'107

Motor cyclists killed in 2002 : 609
Cyclists killed in 2002 : 130
Surprisingly all dangerous situations I have faced here in Z as a cyclist where e.g. motor cars turning left or right a crossings cutting my way!!!! -> I was driving 100% correctly! But even if I am right it doesn't really help me if I get seriously hurt Would be surprised if more than 10% of the above killed cyclists did atually cause these accidents....

But I must admit I am one of these cyclists (non-motorised) driving in the wrong direction behind the Opera into Seefeldstrasse ... Uhhhhh.... So what? I am perfectly aware that I have pay extra attention in any case as I can never compete with a car.

Being a bit more tolerant overall usually makes life much easier ... even in orderly Switzerland and I am glad that the police here seems to show a bit "live and let live" ... (except for parking crime ....)
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Old 02.02.2008, 19:34
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

Don't follow the rules of the road? Tsk. There's no need to disregard the Tram and Bus only sign, you know You'll be giving us a bad name.

Use the cycle path as illuminated in this mapsearch.ch map, it's safer and won't incur the wrath of the road owners, sorry other road users...

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Cyclists.....

...right, am i missing something or are you allowed to cycle wherever you want and whenever it suits you?

Whilst you are on the road, you shall obey the highway code, and no it is not an option to just cycle up the pavement?

What exactly are the laws for cyclists?
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What exactly are the laws for cyclists?
The one and only law :

Never ride along the tram lines


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Old 30.04.2010, 17:44
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Re: Cyclists.....

Cyclists *should* obey the highway code. The problem is the code was designed for cars and can put cyclists in dangerous positions. Also, in a collision between a car and a bicycle, it's pretty obvious who is most likely to be hurt.

Replace the airbag in the centre of a car's steering wheel with a big, sharp spike and then there will be more respect all around.
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Re: Cyclists.....

Honestly, I think scooterists are more of a problem. They do the exact same things as cyclists, but much faster.
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Re: Cyclists.....

It's spring. The fairweather cyclists are out. Everyone beware, pedestrians, motorists and law abiding cyclists alike.

There was a story on the tele last night (german). As usual the police are having a crackdown, on bells and insurance......... while loony/skill-free riders keep at it. Much like drivers getting done for 5kmh over the limit, while bad driving goes unchecked

http://videoportal.sf.tv/video?id=93...au%2Findex.php
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

Could anyone provide a link to the website with cycling rules in Switzerland as per the Swiss laws?
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Could anyone provide a link to the website with cycling rules in Switzerland as per the Swiss laws?
You can look it up under

/www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/741_01/index.html

which is the Strassenverkehrsgesetz and is relevant for trucks, passenger motor cars, motorbikes, bicycles and pedestrians alike
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