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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

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Old 09.05.2010, 21:45
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Cyclists *should* obey the highway code. The problem is the code was designed for cars and can put cyclists in dangerous positions. Also, in a collision between a car and a bicycle, it's pretty obvious who is most likely to be hurt.

Replace the airbag in the centre of a car's steering wheel with a big, sharp spike and then there will be more respect all around.
In Switzerland there is no "highway code" but the Strassenverkehrsgesetz which regulates traffic on all kinds of roads for pedestrians and users of bicycles (all sorts), motor-bikes (all sorts) and motor-cars (all sorts).

Such laws in most countries are based on the laws devised in the 19th century and made for pedestrians, horse-riders and horse-driven coaches. Well, at least on the continent, even if possibly not so much in the U.K.
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You can look it up under

/www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/741_01/index.html

which is the Strassenverkehrsgesetz and is relevant for trucks, passenger motor cars, motorbikes, bicycles and pedestrians alike
With reference to Article 18, Statement 1: what sort of identification is expected of Cyclist and Why?
See below:
"Fahrräder müssen den Vorschriften entsprechen und ein Kennzeichen tragen. Dieses wird abgegeben, wenn die vorgeschriebene Haftpflichtversicherung besteht. Es gilt für die ganze Schweiz"
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Old 07.09.2010, 20:49
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

I've often thought that some people over exaggerate the incompetent cycling here in Zürich. Not anymore. While sitting outside one of my favourite bars smoking a cigarette, a habit that I now consider somewhat less deadly than cycling, I saw in the space of 3 minutes 3 serious cycling accidents in which the cyclists were completely at fault.

First off a a van stopped at a crossing, albeit a bit sharply, to allow somebody to cross. About half a second later a cyclist hit the van in the back and got thrown into the rear doors of the van. Body count - 1 slightly concussed cyclist, 1 dented van door.

A closely following cyclist, who without doubt had seen the previous incident, decided to swerve around the van to the middle of the road and carry on only to collide with with the pedestrian that the van had originally stopped for. Body count - 1 cyclist with cuts and bruises, 1 ambulance for the pedestrian.

Now while waiting for said ambulance the street, a rather long one I might add, had become a bit congested due to these accidents. During this a driver had been gradually easing out of a side street in an attempt to turn left. The driver was already halfway across the road and was was in the process of completing the turn when out of the blue another cyclist, coming at full pelt tried to out manoevere the car, which was now in full motion, with the predictably disasterous result of the cyclist colliding with the left wing of said car. Body count 1 dented wing, second ambulance for cyclist.

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Old 07.09.2010, 20:54
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

I would also like to point out to that woman i saw a couple of days ago. If you are going to teach your 8 year old to ride a bike, do not do it in the middle of a busy street during rush hour. The kid obviously had no clue how to ride thats why she was holding him all the time. Add this to loads of cars and buses and you have an accident waiting to happen
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And that is something that the cyclists - in their arrogance - forget about us pedestrians: Sure their bikes aren't quite as big and nasty as cars, but cars tend to pay slightly more attention to the little fleshy creatures with which they share the road than the average cyclist does.

I've been lucky enough to never have been carried away from a collision with a rules-of-the-road flouting cyclist on a stretcher - but only just! As an intelligent, moderately aware pedestrian, I can count the near misses with motor vehicles on one hand. With cyclists, I lost count years ago.

Cyclists, please note: If you hit one of us, we might have to go to hospital.

Please do pay attention.
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Old 07.09.2010, 21:06
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I've often thought that some people over exaggerate the incompetent cycling here in Zürich. Not anymore. While sitting outside one of my favourite bars smoking a cigarette, a habit that I now consider somewhat less deadly than cycling, I saw in the space of 3 minutes 3 serious cycling accidents in which the cyclists were completely at fault.

First off a a van stopped at a crossing, albeit a bit sharply, to allow somebody to cross. About half a second later a cyclist hit the van in the back and got thrown into the rear doors of the van. Body count - 1 slightly concussed cyclist, 1 dented van door.

A closely following cyclist, who without doubt had seen the previous incident, decided to swerve around the van to the middle of the road and carry on only to collide with with the pedestrian that the van had originally stopped for. Body count - 1 cyclist with cuts and bruises, 1 ambulance for the pedestrian.

Now while waiting for said ambulance the street, a rather long one I might add, had become a bit congested due to these accidents. During this a driver had been gradually easing out of a side street in an attempt to turn left. The driver was already halfway across the road and was was in the process of completing the turn when out of the blue another cyclist, coming at full pelt tried to out manoevere the car, which was now in full motion, with the predictably disasterous result of the cyclist colliding with the left wing of said car. Body count 1 dented wing, second ambulance for cyclist.

WTF
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Old 07.09.2010, 21:11
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Was Mr. Bean the pedestrian ?
Hilarious.

You are aware, I presume, that some pedestrians are only four years old, that some are over eighty years old, that some find it difficult to walk and that others can't see?

Silly question...of course you aren't: you're a cyclist.
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Old 07.09.2010, 21:19
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

Ok I must admit that I neglect visible pedestrians crossings to stop and always count on duckIng out of troubles fast enough. I know it's wrong. Still I keep a reasonable distance and speed as for a road cyclist. There are some dudes though who gallop so fast that I pray to mother Theresa for them to make to their destinations. I get really frustrated that when I pedal in my moderate pace there is always someone who has to beat the crap out of me on the road. Luckily the season is over soon and I can switch to the railway or car.
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

Not that I disagree with you, DB. But as someone who constantly rides his bike (and walks) around Kreis 5 to do errands and shop, I am equally amazed at how oblivious pedestrians are in Zurich. I understand that inside the crosswalk you are protected, but I can't say how MANY times I am riding my bike in the bike lane, and someone steps into the bike lane from between two cars without even A GLANCE in either direction...how am I to know that they are lurking behind a van???

I do not step into a street as a cyclist or pedestrian without looking both ways...

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And that is something that the cyclists - in their arrogance - forget about us pedestrians: Sure their bikes aren't quite as big and nasty as cars, but cars tend to pay slightly more attention to the little fleshy creatures with which they share the road than the average cyclist does.

I've been lucky enough to never have been carried away from a collision with a rules-of-the-road flouting cyclist on a stretcher - but only just! As an intelligent, moderately aware pedestrian, I can count the near misses with motor vehicles on one hand. With cyclists, I lost count years ago.

Cyclists, please note: If you hit one of us, we might have to go to hospital.

Please do pay attention.
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Old 07.09.2010, 21:24
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

true,

the most dangerous users of the roads are the pedestrians.

the often criticize cyclists for not following the laws of the road, but pedestrians doesn't respect them too.

I do have a lot of care when pedestrians are involved they walk aimlesly invading the cycling paths, in an inpredictable way. don't look before crossing don't even move when you ding them and they are in your cycling path, etc etc.

in fact it's not the cyclists or the pedestrians or the drivers.... its all the people around, they are so self absorved that doesn't consider anything around.

I simply whenever I hit the road, asumme every one else is a moron and then look and anticipate any stupid thing they would do.

that keeps me safe.
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Ok I must admit that I neglect visible pedestrians crossings to stop and always count on duckIng out of troubles fast enough. I know it's wrong. Still I keep a reasonable distance and speed as for a road cyclist. There are some dudes though who gallop so fast that I pray to mother Theresa for them to make to their destinations. I get really frustrated that when I pedal in my moderate pace there is always someone who has to beat the crap out of me on the road. Luckily the season is over soon and I can switch to the railway or car.


bike commuter season never ends, you can commute all year long including snowy days using proper tyres.
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Old 07.09.2010, 21:28
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

That's the thing. As much as the cyclist can be blamed but also pedestrians are not without fault. They are naturally protected by traffic regulations but their safety is limited to certain extent. Today there was a guy in Baden who decided to skip the pedestrian crossing walking passed the stopped cars. I saw him in time from a distance and could brake in time. Had the accident happened the cyclist wouldn't have been at fault.
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I understand that inside the crosswalk you are protected,
You are a rare cyclist, and I tip my hat to you.

Now, could you have a word with the rest of them, please?

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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

Just to be clear, I don't really consider myself a cyclist...I walk a lot, and I own a car. My bike, actually belongs to my Wife, and has a big basket for groceries. I rarely ride more than 20km/hr and go further than Zurich HB, about 1km away.

I just do NOT trust anyone on the roads here ...drivers/cyclists/pedestrians. And I see more instances of close calls here than in San Francisco, which is NOT very bike friendly and many peds get run over.

Just seems that the same people that bump into me on the sidewalks have the same attitude when riding bikes or driving cars...oblivious to the rest of the world!

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Just seems that the same people that bump into me on the sidewalks have the same attitude when riding bikes or driving cars...oblivious to the rest of the world!
You're probably not wrong there!
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

check out this video... pedestrian vs cyclist .... amazing

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check out this video... pedestrian vs cyclist .... amazing
love it. "it cancels out". there you go. proof that 2 wrongs do make a right
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check out this video... pedestrian vs cyclist .... amazing

He's the kind if cyclist I wouldn't mind to see being hit by a car.

Then he changes from riding on the wrong side of the road to the footpath
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Re: Cyclists who don't follow the laws of the road.

I have to admit I'm one of the rather quick-driving cyclist.
But I do wait at zebra-crossings (from time to time).
In Zurich, cars and trams are pushing aside bikes onto the sidewalks, because bicycle-lanes sometimes end in the nowhere.
Biking in Zurich requires an insane amount of concentration. The traffic is awful. You have the cars, the busses (both Postbus and VBZ), the trams, the pedestrians - and other bikers. And on top of it, all the construction work that is going on!
When I ride, I always assume that nobody has seen me - unless I was able to make eye-contact with the driver.
Zurich definitely needs more bike-lanes.
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