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Re: ski boots - molded to fit - where to buy

So the Zurich shops have started stocking the 2012/13 season stock and I been having a browse.

I had also been speaking to two seasoned skier pals (20-30 years in the sport) about going all out custom and whilst they did not necessarily discredit the 100% custom fit, they also felt it is not a necessity and similar or the same results can be achieved with a lot less fancy technology and essentially financial outlay.

I went to Oschner sport and asked if they provided any kind of fitting service and they said no and recommended I visit Sihlcity or Jelmoli. I just went to Jelmoli at lunch today got chatting to the guy about my requirements i.e. progressed from complete beginner to an Intermediate/advanced skier, want boots with stiffer flex and better fit to match, and what kind of fitting service do you provide.

He took some measurements, talked me through the different brand specs, pointed out this wide point in my foot which I said yep, thats where it tends to hurt, and then pulled out a selection of the wider foot models and let me try them all on. Importantly showed me how to do the boot up and ensuring the heel is firmly kicked in place. Out of the Head, Technica and Salomon boots tried, I preferred the Salomon for comfort, though it wasnt the style I wanted...boo hoo, but nevermind. Well to be fair I actually wanted the Salomon X MAX 120 (blue) or 130 (yellow) as this design perfectly matches my Skis, Poles and Outfit where I am sporting the 24hour colours/designs, but the guy warned me off as the increase in flex was too great a jump he felt. I decided to trust him. Plus they are proper racing boots.

So he took the boots that fit best from their standard of the shelf shape, put them on this heating machine, when they were ready he made me wear them around the shop for 10-15 minutes to shape. They felt good, although the real test will be on the slopes. I also asked about footbeds, and he got so medium arched footbeds, ok they're not custom to my actual foot but they felt good and were virtually if not perfect with my shape and arch. He trimmed them to the boot standard and place them inside, felt even more snug and supported then.

He told me to come back tomorrow when they are doing 10% off for all men, so they are all ready and waiting for me for tomorrow.

All in all this cost me just under 500, which was mostly the cost of the boot which was was 480 i think, the fitting comes with it.

Will i regret not paying another 500-700, we shall see, but for now I am pretty happy with that kind of service. Certainly better than my pick up off the shelf does it fit, yes it does, initial purchase of Head Next Edge 70s last Christmas in the UK.

So, I will be selling me Head's to a friend I think, and looking forward to trying my Salomon Quest 110. An all mountain boot for my kind of level, with the clip for hiking/walking. The custom shell is supposedly ideal for boot fitter adjustments if I do need any tweaks,

Oh, and he did say I can come back to the store for more tweaks if need be
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Old 24.10.2012, 16:46
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I might take a look at Sportis, I like to support local business. What ballpark cost?
I couldn't put a figure on it; when I went in last week they hadn't yet swapped over from summer (climbing and running) to winter. But as I recall they are usually around RRP without the discounting of the big bulk-buying chains. But then they avoid the bulk approach of the chains so they have stuff you'd never find in a chain
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Re: ski boots - molded to fit - where to buy

WOW JBZ - excellent Swiss service looking forward to you reporting back.
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He took some measurements, talked me through the different brand specs, pointed out this wide point in my foot which I said yep, thats where it tends to hurt, and then pulled out a selection of the wider foot models and let me try them all on. Importantly showed me how to do the boot up and ensuring the heel is firmly kicked in place. Out of the Head, Technica and Salomon boots tried, I preferred the Salomon for comfort, though it wasnt the style I wanted...boo hoo, but nevermind. Well to be fair I actually wanted the Salomon X MAX 120 (blue) or 130 (yellow) as this design perfectly matches my Skis, Poles and Outfit where I am sporting the 24hour colours/designs, but the guy warned me off as the increase in flex was too great a jump he felt. I decided to trust him. Plus they are proper racing boots.

So he took the boots that fit best from their standard of the shelf shape, put them on this heating machine, when they were ready he made me wear them around the shop for 10-15 minutes to shape. They felt good, although the real test will be on the slopes. I also asked about footbeds, and he got so medium arched footbeds, ok they're not custom to my actual foot but they felt good and were virtually if not perfect with my shape and arch. He trimmed them to the boot standard and place them inside, felt even more snug and supported then.

He told me to come back tomorrow when they are doing 10% off for all men, so they are all ready and waiting for me for tomorrow.

All in all this cost me just under 500, which was mostly the cost of the boot which was was 480 i think, the fitting comes with it.

Oh, and he did say I can come back to the store for more tweaks if need be
If you feel you need a custom footbed I got one trying to fix my first pair of ski boots. I got one from Intersport Lenzerheide (thats where we were skiing) for under 100chf. They heat them up, you stand on them, they put them in the boots, an option for later if you feel you need it. I would be surprised if you can't get similar where you purchased your boots.

Did they do any canting? Some people have told me this is important, not everyone mentions it. Basically when you stand up straight most peoples feet dont point parallel like when you are trying to ski. My understanding is that they angle the bottom of the boots so in your natural stance the skis are parallel. I believe it helps with fatigue as you are in a more natural stance. They did mine by hanging a laser pen from my knees pointing down to see whether my knees is above my foot, of course it wasn't. Maybe a more experienced skier can say whether this is important or not.

I went from 80s to 120s with no problem but also a cruising boot with walk feature.

I think having boots wide enough was my main problem (sounds like yours too) and having that fixed and knowing how to do the boots up you should have a lot more fun and a lot less trouble.

I find ski places here one of the few places who are happy to do small stuff for nothing. The people at Intersport Lenzerheide did a lot to widen my boots with heating. They made it better by miles. In the end those boots still weren't right.
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Update. I popped down to Sportis today without and appointment as its really close, nice welcoming team and Hans took a few minutes out of his current fitting to discuss my needs and supervise his assistant to identify an appropriate shell. I cant comment on their English as spoke German.

I want a boot primarily for alpine skiing that I can use with my existing skis bindings, but with touring capability on dynafit bindings. I am prepared to pay for that flexibility and maximum fit and comfort. We did a boot fit, and tested the DIN release on my skis. He has guided me towards Black Diamond Quadrants, with a custom liner and footbeds, on the basis this setup will actually be stiffer than an off the shelf freeride boot. They arent the lightest at 3.4kg a pair, but a full kg lighter and stiffer than my current alpine boots.

They measured, scanned and looked at my pressure distribution of my feet for the footbed. I have an appointment next Thu for the liner and boot fitting: he is getting fresh stock in.

I will keep you posted.
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Re: ski boots - molded to fit - where to buy

I thought I would give a follow up to my custom touring boot fitting experience with Hans at Sportis in Richterswil.

I have had the boots for a month now and done two half days of touring and two downhill days, plus a 750m vert touring race that was a great test of touring comfort. I've used a variety of skis from ultralight touring setup to a fairly heavy all mountain ski on both alpine, and fritschi and dynafit touring bindings.

The boots were great straight out of the gate, and are a full 1.5 shell sizes smaller than my off-the-shelf boots. This means that despite being a touring boot (albeit 120's) the transmission of input to the skis is pretty darned direct. On the downside I think this means they are not as warm.

I have been back to the store three times for tweaks, primarily to widen the boot to cater for my (ski boot induced) "tailor's bunions" on the outside of the foot at its widest part. Hans has been happy to expand them a little at a time to make space while keeping the boot as fitting as possible.

The other tweak has been to eliminate a tiny amount of play in the right heel to make that boot fit as closely as the other one. This was done by adding some thickness to the back of the right footbed. Frankly I would never have noticed this play in and off-the-shelf boot, but once I have experienced the fit of the left boot, I wanted the same on the right.

He also volunteered to add some eyelets to the inner boot so that the lacing system was much easier to use, which makes the ankle hold extremely solid.

So all in all my two ski boot bug bears, of having to get too big shells to cater for the width of my foot and then having to tighten the hell out of them to get a firm heel hold have been banished. At last I can ski with circulation in my toes.

I suspect if I go back again he might start to raise an eyebrow; at the last visit he says "Dont forget they're skiing boots not slippers!". But I dont actually think I will need to go back.

The boots with custom footbeds and foam liners and all the tweaking described above (not billed) worked out some 400chf more than the same boot off the shelf with stock liners from Stöckli. I figure he has spend a good 4-5 hours labour and consultation time. So not cheap but value for money.
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Re: ski boots - molded to fit - where to buy

I am bumping this wondering if anyone has some updated experience or recommendations? Specifically, I am looking for someone that will adjust the fit on a pair of boots I already own (Garmont Hydras). Thanks!
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I am bumping this wondering if anyone has some updated experience or recommendations? Specifically, I am looking for someone that will adjust the fit on a pair of boots I already own (Garmont Hydras). Thanks!
Any new experiences you want to share? I`m in the same boat
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Re: ski boots - molded to fit - where to buy

I tried on some boots at http://kundalini.ch/ and ended up buying the elsewhere. The shop is between HB and Langstrasse.


The would do free heat molding for new boots bought from there, or remolding/first molding for boots bought elsewhere for a small fee.


I'm going to try and self mold them through use because I'm cheap.
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Re: ski boots - molded to fit - where to buy

Same, I found some new boota second hand. I looked into the options provided and could not find anyone willing to mold boots that were not purchased from them. Want some Garmots?
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Re: ski boots - molded to fit - where to buy

Try Fischer Vacuum Fit boots. Have been awesome. Rene at Prosii Thawil has been great to me
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