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My mother in law just went in to have her hips replaced under the NHS and had no problems.

Regardless of what the NHS does or doesn't do I have more trouble getting appointments here than anywhere but in the USA.

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Has there been any cases in Switzerland where the private medical system has had to send their patients to other countries to get 'everyday' surgerical procedures performed? Like, for example, NHS patients having to go to France (and Holland too) because the waiting time is so, how should I say, abnormally lengthy (enter side cue-miserable and grim, as in Dickens' time) in ol' Blighty? And these trips and operations are paid for by the NHS! As the new expression says, I guess, 'go figure'
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Has there been any cases in Switzerland where the private medical system has had to send their patients to other countries to get 'everyday' surgerical procedures performed? Like, for example, NHS patients having to go to France (and Holland too) because the waiting time is so, how should I say, abnormally lengthy (enter side cue-miserable and grim, as in Dickens' time) in ol' Blighty? And these trips and operations are paid for by the NHS! As the new expression says, I guess, 'go figure'
Well, that does sound silly. Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just hire enough doctors and nurses?

Although, I do know from various UK people that I know, that if you have the extended private insurance you get whatever you want.

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I know Switzerland is extremely expensive country. That means in overall, at the same job position, I would have less saving money in Switzerland than the UK? Is that right?

YES, it IS right

but you are bit closer to the shores of the Mediterranean
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Re: Ten reasons to leave UK for Switzerland

Now I know what my Aussie friends were referring to when they kept going on about 'whinging POMs'.
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Now I know what my Aussie friends were referring to when they kept going on about 'whinging POMs'.
Yes, they were Australians complaining that english people complain, which is practically a pastime of theirs...
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Has there been any cases in Switzerland where the private medical system has had to send their patients to other countries to get 'everyday' surgerical procedures performed? Like, for example, NHS patients having to go to France (and Holland too) because the waiting time is so, how should I say, abnormally lengthy (enter side cue-miserable and grim, as in Dickens' time) in ol' Blighty? And these trips and operations are paid for by the NHS! As the new expression says, I guess, 'go figure'
Always great to pull out a few examples. how many exactly then ? Exactly how many people were sent overseas for operations and against how many million operations were performed successfully and to a very high skill level ?

Running a private only tin pot health service for a few million people all of whom are minted is a piece of cake. Running a point of service health service for 60 million people covering a huge range of financial capability is a massive acheivement and almost all receive fantastic treatment. If your that scared about catching killer diseases in UK hospitals pay your private extra and have a nurse give you flowers while you wait for a checkup. The NHS is a magnificent UK service.
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Hi everyone,

! Can anyone tell me 10 reasons to leave the UK for Switzerland?
Well at least 6 of them are Septic (4 Glazers, 1 Gullett & 1 Hick), 1 Russian (A-bram-oohh -vich) 2 Scot barstewards (Broon & Bliar) plus add any number of celebretard chefs. That lot alone puts you well clear of 10

OP, there are no WAGs here (unless you count Shawne whatshername Borer) although you will see Jamie Oliver tat in the supermarkets. The attractiveness of sterling income streams has evaporated and with the SFr @ 1.6 to the £ and rough parity with the $ this is the place to be.

On the downside they’re not too keen on cricket or rugby, but you can’t have everything
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Has there been any cases in Switzerland where the private medical system has had to send their patients to other countries to get 'everyday' surgerical procedures performed? Like, for example, NHS patients having to go to France (and Holland too) because the waiting time is so, how should I say, abnormally lengthy (enter side cue-miserable and grim, as in Dickens' time) in ol' Blighty? And these trips and operations are paid for by the NHS! As the new expression says, I guess, 'go figure'
I guess the fact that every second tram in Zuri carries adverts for
Zahnärzte - strangely always sited in Deutschland, but puzzlingly
close to the Swiss border - might have some clue hidden away.
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Mike, I am not a big fan of the NHS. I have been in UK for 10 years and have seen the system 'at work', as it were, and for the life of me it is a shocker.

I'd rather pay less tax and pay for private medical insurance, like here in Switz., than to let a bunch of state run bods run a modern health care system, which unfortunately the NHS is not.

I was in an NHS hospital one time in Ascot to visit someone, and it felt like a throwback to the days of Dickens. Honest to Betsy. Another time I visited a friend in another NHS hospital to find a second hand jumble sale occuring right in the hospital with everyones second hand dirty tat festering the hospital cooridors. 2nd major shock.

I however have private medical in UK because of my line of work, and that was another story altogether when I had 2 hips 'resurfaced' in 2002 in a south London private hospital. Clean, serious staff, analyzing me beforehand for those deadly hospital virus bugs that plague NHS hospitals. You name it, it had it for a top notch functioning hospital.
Yes, Anatoly Bevan (or whatever the Taff’s name was; or was he a Gog?) should be shot. Posthumously.

However.......my eldest was born on the NHS, by mistake! we were on private health but a rider was needed for pregnancy, cos it isn’t an illness (well it’s not, is it?). my wife freaked out and would have flown home sharpish if she hadn’t already been in the 7th month & long haul flights were out.

On recs from sympathetic colleagues who tut-tutted at my oversight, we chose Pembury hospital in Kent even though it was a bit of a hike from where we lived. The facilities were err, rudimentary and in about 10 hours of labour I can’t recall seeing a doctor. However the birth went well and I have the most amazing photo of no1 son sitting in a grotty plastic tub, happy as Larry, his head blotched with blood, supported by the beefy hands of a midwife.

The post-natal care was superb. Several days in hospital followed by transfer to a maternity clinic for about 10 days where 1st time mums could rest up & learn to be mums to newborns. We lived in the rural Weald with no immediate neighbours yet a midwife visited every day for 2 weeks afterwards. That meant in-patient or daily home visits for almost a month post-natal even though there were no complications, mother or baby.


Perhaps we’ll give Anatoly a reprieve

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YES, it IS right

but you are bit closer to the shores of the Mediterranean
I dunno. I find myself saving more money here. This is partly due to the lack of an after work pub scene, partly that I'm unwilling to buy as many stange(n?) as I am pints of ale and partly due to the lack of good gigs here.
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I dunno. I find myself saving more money here. This is partly due to the lack of an after work pub scene, partly that I'm unwilling to buy as many stange(n?) as I am pints of ale and partly due to the lack of good gigs here.
Well, I am not so sure. There is an "after work pub scene" but it is rather a "Fiirabig Schpunte Szene", and instead of Schtange you better order "ä grosses Bbiär", while with the gigs you may be right.
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Well, I am not so sure. There is an "after work pub scene" but it is rather a "Fiirabig Schpunte Szene", and instead of Schtange you better order "ä grosses Bbiär", while with the gigs you may be right.
I often order a large beer, but it still comes out fizzy and tasteless. The good stuff (e.g. Quöllfrisch) comes in bottles mostly and even then it's cold and fizzy . . . which means it doesn't slip down like a just below room temperature real ale. I do realise this is a minority concern.
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I recently engaged in a spot of "NHS tourism" to have my ankle examine and for a procedure on it. I was bowled over. The hospital I went to was new, there was a 10 minute wait, the nurse was polite. In the examination room I was greeted by a young Indian doctor who was nothing short of brilliant. I'm not easily impressed but this man exuded the kind of calm confidence that I've never experienced with the medical people in Switzerland. In Switzerland I've always found that the system is messy with the right hand not knowing what the far right hand is doing. I'm a capitalist at heart but if we have to pay any tax at all the NHS has to bag it. It's the thing I'm most proud of about the UK, and in my opinion no other comparable country has ever come close.

p.s I'm also proud of railways, tea and Newton.

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I often order a large beer, but it still comes out fizzy and tasteless. The good stuff (e.g. Quöllfrisch) comes in bottles mostly and even then it's cold and fizzy . . . which means it doesn't slip down like a just below room temperature real ale. I do realise this is a minority concern.

First, go to places like the Shamrock and order a Murphy Red which really is good.

Second, the development on the "beer scene" is a MAJority concern. The problem is that practically all Swiss breweries have been taken over first by Feldschlösschen and then (including them) by Heineken and Tuborg.

Third, only small niche players remained separate (Falken Schaffhausen, for example .... at least up to now)

What is behind this ? For ages, beer in Switzerland was consumed in heavy quantities in "Dorfbeizen" and "Quartierbeizen". The Quartierbeizen have disappeared, more non-alcoholic beverages were introduced, AND wine, which between 1850 and 1950 for a variety of reasons had been reduced in importance in favour of beer (I here refer to German speaking Switzerland), regained strength, not least as many "Quartierbeizen" turned into Italian and Spanish and Portuguese and Greek restaurants with a leaning towards wines. New customs regulations in recent decades allowed (partially even RE-allowed) the import of more cheap wines, which brought the beer industry into additional trouble. This means that most of the beer industry in Switzerland is a Tuborg-Heineken Duopoly.

One brand of beer I like, even if it also is "duopoly-owned" now, is Kronenbourg, a company being large enough to be able to continue their Alsatian ways of beer making, also under new owners.

Cold and fizzy ? This may be so when it comes out from the "tap" but will get up to "just below room temperature" very swiftly !
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I recently engaged in a spot of "NHS tourism" to have my ankle examine and for a procedure on it. I was bowled over. The hospital I went to was new, there was a 10 minute wait, the nurse was polite. In the examination room I was greeted by a young Indian doctor who was nothing short of brilliant. I'm not easily impressed but this man exuded the kind of calm confidence that I've never experienced with the medical people in Switzerland. In Switzerland I've always found that the system is messy with the right hand not knowing what the far right hand is doing. I'm a capitalist at heart but if we have to pay any tax at all the NHS has to bag it. It's the thing I'm most proud of about the UK, and in my opinion no other comparable country has ever come close.

p.s I'm also proud of railways, tea and Newton.
Health service is a tricky subject. Our British partner more than once told us that he after some lengthy waiting got this or that cured in hospital completely free of charge but that the waiting was horrible. We then often told him that in Switzerland he would have had to pay a part of the costs himself. We often compared things with him, and all concluded that both sides have their plus and minuses.
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I do understand what you're saying I really do. But I feel that unless you've been brought up with a system which says that your health is an inalienable right, that you can turn up to any doctor anywhere with no ID, and they won't make you complete a form, won't make you prove that you're a citizen, or tax payer or even legal resident - won't make you even give you name. And they'll treat you for free. And they'll give you pharmaceuticals, as much as you need - for free.

That might seem like a different way of treating people or just a quantitative difference but it represents to most a qualitative difference to the very core of the way we think about the world. That when it comes down to it, whether you work hard in school, or get lucky in life you'll receive the same heart operation as the guy who stacks shelves in Tesco. To me it outweighs almost everything bad about Britain, and almost everything good about Switzerland. It's that important.

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Health service is a tricky subject. Our British partner more than once told us that he after some lengthy waiting got this or that cured in hospital completely free of charge but that the waiting was horrible. We then often told him that in Switzerland he would have had to pay a part of the costs himself. We often compared things with him, and all concluded that both sides have their plus and minuses.
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First, go to places like the Shamrock and order a Murphy Red which really is good.
I bow to your knowledge in many areas Wollishofener, but it is clear you have much to learn in regard to British-style beer. Murphy Red is but a pale, industrial imitation of the real thing.

I'm not suggesting that British-style beer should be produced by Swiss brewers, I'm just saying I get through the stuff quickly ('session' beer is designed for ease of drinking. It's also medium strength (3.8%) as it's assumed that you'll be getting through a few pints) and am likely to spend more on it.
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1. DB lives in CH
2.I don`t live in CH (Canada) And this counts for 9
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I would love to leave the UK for Switzerland tomorrow! As it seems to me that there is a big English speaking community there and everyone seems to be very kind (judging from your response!).

I must say you guys are lucky to have a chance to live and work in one of the best and most beautiful country in the world. Furthermore, the Swiss efficiency and quality are second to none!
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10. Miss giving hugs (US thing)

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Wait. The above list is for people who want to leave Switzerland for the UK. I misread the original post. I was wrong!!!!!!!! Sorry about that.

This reminds me of something a guy I met at a party told me about Switzerland after spending 4 years in the country. Something about people keeping others at arm's length. I was told to expect feeling lonely because people don't hug and while they may be nice, making friends is a lot harder.

To be honest, it sounded depressing. He's now in London. I'm not sure how much nicer London is.

I hug quite a few of my friends in Toronto, and a standard family greetings includes a handshake and kisses on each cheek (that may be somewhat quebec and Iran-culture-based).
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