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I was in Vietnam last year - French will get you nowhere, but they make great omlettes and croissants. The coffee is a extraordinary mixture between the lousy way the Yanks brew it and a seriously good French roast.
I noticed that too, when I was there, but nobody told the French tourists who insist on trying.
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I was in Vietnam last year - French will get you nowhere, but they make great omlettes and croissants. The coffee is a extraordinary mixture between the lousy way the Yanks brew it and a seriously good French roast.
While I do not want to put your French into doubt, I have to say that in many many phone calls to Vietnam over 20 years, I after having started with English, was forced into French again and again, and so I take my conclusions. Beside the point that the English of folks in the Vietnamese airline industry is minimal and their French excellent.
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While I do not want to put your French into doubt,
good, its a touchy subject, especialy with the French.
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I noticed that too, when I was there, but nobody told the French tourists who insist on trying.
I know several Swiss (German Swiss) who visited Vietnam and tried to get it with English (their primary foreign language) but felt forced into French and realized that the French of the Vietnamese is simply excellent.

French tourists ? You mean tourists from the colonialist country which ruled over Indochina for decades ? To declare not to understand them too well is an understandable reflex !
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Now sorry, but Etihad Airways is in the Arab World and NOT in Black Africa. And if you are looking at Arab airline companies, Emirates flies into Zurich twice daily (A340/B777), and other Arab airlines operating into Zurich are Qatar Airways, Royal Jordanian, Tunis Air and Royal Air Maroc. But once again, they are not companies of Black Africa.

The map below shows you, in blue, the formerly French colonies and in light brown the Belgian Congo (Congo Léopoldville .... now Congo Kinshasa)




and that people who grew up with French prefer a French speaking city is relatively obvious
Actually the map is a little incorrect, next to the congo and under Uganda, is Rwanda and Burundi, they are french speaking and were colonised by Belgium not by Germany. Also Congo is split into two nations, the Democratic republic of Congo and the Congo

But still it's an interesting map

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Actually the map is a little incorrect, next to the congo and under Uganda, is Rwanda and Burundi, they are french speaking and were colonised by Belgium not by Germany.
Germany got there first.
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Actually the map is a little incorrect, next to the congo and under Uganda, is Rwanda and Burundi, they are french speaking and were colonised by Belgium not by Germany. Also Congo is split into two nations, the Democratic republic of Congo and the Congo

But still it's an interesting map
A) French Congo on the map is marked with "Franz." and in colonial times was part of French Aequatorial Africa (blue colours). No split, as Brazzaville of course was inside French Aequatorial Africa

B) Ruanda-Urundi was colonized by Germany and NOT by Belgium and was German until WWI ... the area later on became first Belgian (Versailles Treaty) and then the two independent states of Rwanda and Burundi.

C) In spite of Belgium being majority wise Flemish, the African colonies were fully French speaking


The map is 100% correct
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I bet they stole all the beach towels and deck chairs too
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I know several Swiss (German Swiss) who visited Vietnam and tried to get it with English (their primary foreign language) but felt forced into French and realized that the French of the Vietnamese is simply excellent.
Well, actually it is more subtle than a pure switch of second language. Younger Vietnamese seem to have chosen English as their favoured second language, whereas the older generation have a latent knowledge of French. Since Vietnam is a very young country demographically, this trend will continue apace.

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French tourists ? You mean tourists from the colonialist country which ruled over Indochina for decades ? To declare not to understand them too well is an understandable reflex !
Good point!
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As englishtim sais, younger Vietnamese don't speak French but English, whereas some old people speak perfect French, same in Cambodia.
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The map is 100% correct
Well, Togoland of course use to be German colony some 100 years ago (till 1914), but now it’s really francophone country.

(two-thirds of it, one-third as British part been attached to Ghana)
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Well, Togoland of course use to be German colony some 100 years ago (till 1914), but now it’s really francophone country.

(two-thirds of it, one-third as British part been attached to Ghana)
No doubt, but you may realize that the map is of BEFORE 1914

another aspect is that French is on the retreat on the African continent in favour of English. With countries gradually changing their nr 1 or nr 2 (national language <> traffic language) from French into English. History does not stop at any particular time but goes on.
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Geneva is a communist north-african country.

That is why we love it.
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above, Africa 1890

and below the Turkish Empire in its various shades



and here below, the Empire in its days of glory






including La Lousiane Française
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Call that an empire?

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Call that an empire?


This was an empire and is the Commonwealth of Nations, and in being a world of English speakers still is growing. Zurich after WWII put its stakes into THIS with all it could muster, and in spite of failures like the Swissair grounding and the half-collapse of UBS did the right thing. You have to bet onto the winning horse !
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Mmmm... look at all that red...
and look at the Italian legacy they really need to stick to Vespas and pizza.

Also, no more bacon and quails eggs! Pair bacon with a nice rich goose egg. mmmm
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To respond to the initial question,

Geneva has always been a very international city, at least compartively to the rest of Switzerland. When walking around the city, it is a very few minority who are Genevois going back 2+ generations. This has continued or even accelerated in the recent years, esp. with all the international headquarters of companies, etc. establishing here. However, Geneva has a long history of international organisations and community. Starting in the early 1900s with the League of Nations, Red Cross, etc.. Now the international organisations comprise some estimated 40,000 employees of all nationalies. 23 of the 33 international organisations in Switzerland are based in Geneve (it is much bigger than just the UN). Add to this that nearly every country needs to have dipliomatic representation here in the form of an embassy, consulate, mission, etc., ie. some 160+ offices. And due to this as well, there are estimated 250 NGOs, all working within this international environment. Recent years have also spawned the growth of related areas of consultancies, regional bodies, specialised law firms, etc. Thus, it is quite clear that you can find all countries of the world represented here. All of the international community generally strives to have well rounded employement of its staff from around the globe.
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Now sorry, but Etihad Airways is in the Arab World and NOT in Black Africa. And if you are looking at Arab airline companies, Emirates flies into Zurich twice daily (A340/B777), and other Arab airlines operating into Zurich are Qatar Airways, Royal Jordanian, Tunis Air and Royal Air Maroc. But once again, they are not companies of Black Africa.

The map below shows you, in blue, the formerly French colonies and in light brown the Belgian Congo (Congo Léopoldville .... now Congo Kinshasa)




and that people who grew up with French prefer a French speaking city is relatively obvious
This map is not correct, atleast as far as English/French languages are concerned. In practice there are more red countries than blue:
1. Tanzania is English speaking and should be red.
2. Although Rwanda was a French colony, English is one of the official languages since 1994 and has replaced French as the official language of instruction in the country’s schools since 2008.
3. Even though Namibia was a German colony, the Queen's language is the only official language.

4. Although Cameroon was initially occupied by the Germans, it was later split into French cameroon and English Cameroon, hence the reason why both English and french are official languages today.
5. Even the Lusophone countries, atleast those in the southern parts of the continent are gradually shifting towards English as a medium of instruction.
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