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Old 25.05.2010, 19:22
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When is Baden not Baden? (that is the question) split from house to rent in Baden

Thanks Mrs. D, I know where Nussbaumen is and it's very close to Baden, would definitely be classed as Baden. Despite this, the price is very good, even for an apartment this size.. still wondering.. unfortunately the Swiss don't use sqm.. THEN it's easy to work out the size of the rooms...
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Thanks Mrs. D, I know where Nussbaumen is and it's very close to Baden, would definitely be classed as Baden. Despite this, the price is very good, even for an apartment this size.. still wondering.. unfortunately the Swiss don't use sqm.. THEN it's easy to work out the size of the rooms...
Nussbaumen is not considered Baden, and there is a significant rent difference in the two places. There are a lot of very old buildings in Nussbaumen and those that have not been renovated still have very low rents. It is changing, as more buildings are being renewed. Without the details (sq m), photos and other information it is difficult to know much.
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Thanks Mrs. D, I know where Nussbaumen is and it's very close to Baden, would definitely be classed as Baden.
Definitely? That's your view....I have enough colleagues who want to live in Baden but definitely NOT in Nussbaumen, and there are various reasons for that.

Anyway, you live over the border in ZH, so as a foreigner what would YOU know???
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Re: House For Rent near Baden

You tend to get larger, niceer and much cheaper places in nussbaumen than in Baden. If you work in Baden I would highly reccomend taking the very short 15 minute walk there or spend the money you save on rent on a bus pass
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Old 26.05.2010, 10:40
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Re: House For Rent near Baden

I may live in Kanton ZH but I spend a LOT of my time in Baden and I take Mrs. D's point about old buildings etc as to why the prices are low. As for Nussbaumen being "NOT" Baden, well, that's like saying Ennetbaden is not Baden, but my bf just informed me the reason for Nussbaumen being cheaper and it seems because the population is very much foreigners. Not that that would make a difference. I live in Dietikon, they say the same thing but I am happy that I get a huge place for a decent price.
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I may live in Kanton ZH but I spend a LOT of my time in Baden and I take Mrs. D's point about old buildings etc as to why the prices are low. As for Nussbaumen being "NOT" Baden, well, that's like saying Ennetbaden is not Baden, but my bf just informed me the reason for Nussbaumen being cheaper and it seems because the population is very much foreigners. Not that that would make a difference. I live in Dietikon, they say the same thing but I am happy that I get a huge place for a decent price.

Well Gwendy as foreigners ourselves we'd be at home in these areas surely? I live in a high immigrant area and I am an immigrant too
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Re: House For Rent near Baden

Exactly, BUT probably for a lot of people out there it would be a reason to say "ooohh, you want to move there? Well.... whatever"... snobs...
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Old 26.05.2010, 10:49
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Exactly, BUT probably for a lot of people out there it would be a reason to say "ooohh, you want to move there? Well.... whatever"... snobs...
well we got the same from my husbands work mates about where we live now maybe we are 'good' immigrants
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Old 26.05.2010, 11:21
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I may live in Kanton ZH but I spend a LOT of my time in Baden and I take Mrs. D's point about old buildings etc as to why the prices are low. As for Nussbaumen being "NOT" Baden, well, that's like saying Ennetbaden is not Baden, but my bf just informed me the reason for Nussbaumen being cheaper and it seems because the population is very much foreigners. Not that that would make a difference. I live in Dietikon, they say the same thing but I am happy that I get a huge place for a decent price.
Ennetbaden is not Baden either.
It's like this:
Obersiggenthal (which includes Nussbaumen) PLZ 5415
Ennetbaden PLZ 5408
Baden PLZ 5400

They are all close to Baden but they are not part of Baden. They each have their own Gemeinde and the tax rate in Obersiggenthal is slightly higher than in Baden.
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Old 26.05.2010, 11:24
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Re: House For Rent near Baden

Is it not Baden canton? like the towns surrounding Zurich? If someone lives in Dubendorf, they may class it as Zurich as it is Zurich Canton, I live in 8052 which is in Zurich Zone 10 but we have our own gremeinde too - don't all suburbs have their own? I say I live in Zurich but am I only allowed to say Zurich if I live in 8001 etc...?

I don't know Baden but really is this not just splitting hairs? being a bit pedantic?
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Is it not Baden canton? like the towns surrounding Zurich? If someone lives in Dubendorf, they may class it as Zurich as it is Zurich Canton, I live in 8052 which is in Zurich Zone 10 I say I live in Zurich but am I only allowed to say zurich if I live in 8001 etc...?

I don't know Baden but really is this not just splitting hairs? being a bit pedantic?
Get a map. Baden is not a Canton, Aargau is the canton. Baden is a Gemeinde. When it comes to choosing schools, Baden offers the most options for children needed to learn German as a foreign language. It is not splitting hairs, it is about making informed choices. Generally a 4.5 room apartment is something a family might choose so education options matter, as would the wash plan.
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Re: House For Rent near Baden

Thank you Nicky, for getting in there before me.... Mrs. D, that argument doesn't wash... not in a country where a postleitzahl means nothing. Baden is 5400, Brown Boveri strasse is 5401.. you saying that's no longer Baden?
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Get a map. Baden is not a Canton, Aargau is the canton. B.
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Thank you Nicky, for getting in there before me.... Mrs. D, that argument doesn't wash... not in a country where a postleitzahl means nothing. Baden is 5400, Brown Boveri strasse is 5401.. you saying that's no longer Baden?
It means something from where you buy your garbage bags, where you register your dog, what schools your children can attend and where you pay your taxes. I gave the PLZ for those two areas to show that they are not part of Baden? Did you want a list of all the postal codes that make up Baden. Then you need to add PLZ 5405 and 5406 as they are also part of Baden.
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Re: When is Baden not Baden? (that is the question) split from house to rent in Baden

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Thank you Nicky, for getting in there before me.... Mrs. D, that argument doesn't wash... not in a country where a postleitzahl means nothing. Baden is 5400, Brown Boveri strasse is 5401.. you saying that's no longer Baden?
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It means something from where you buy your garbage bags, where you register your dog, what schools your children can attend and where you pay your taxes. I gave the PLZ for those two areas to show that they are not part of Baden? Did you want a list of all the postal codes that make up Baden. Then you need to add PLZ 5405 and 5406 as they are also part of Baden.
I'm with Gwendy, although I have to go a bit off topic and cannot comment on Baden.

I live in "X" with a Zurich Post Code and have another city as my Gemeinde... I definitely live where I do, but I do not exist for anyone (say for insurance/services/Unispital billing dept etc.).
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Old 26.05.2010, 11:50
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Re: When is Baden not Baden? (that is the question) split from house to rent in Baden

Fair enough Mrs. D, you have a point about schools. Not having kids myself, this won't ever be a search criteria. The only one ever mattering to single people is the tax.

I just don't want people to think that looking for a place because they work in Baden, excludes them from looking "outside" Baden, which would mean a short walk or an even shorter bus ride away. And the wash plan? Well, all I can say to that is "welcome to Switzerland"! It's the first time since leaving home that I have had to hold to a wash plan. Seems mine is a much better deal than is around Switzerland. Thankfully.
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I just don't want people to think that looking for a place because they work in Baden, excludes them from looking "outside" Baden, which would mean a short walk or an even shorter bus ride away.
In this respect I agree with you. There are many places that are not Baden but are within easy reach with cheaper rents and, depending on your family circumstances (kids / no kids) a better lifestyle. Whilst places like Mellingen, Fislisbach, Turgi etc are definitely not Baden, they are well within the catchment area, or, if you enjoy a view and don't mind paying for it you can head up towards Bellikon (and stations in between such as Remetschwil). I lived in Bellikon when I first moved here and enjoyed seeing sun when I got up in the morning. Taking the bus into Baden was a bit like being in a plane coming in to land through the clouds...

I guess that wherever one moves one tries to move to a community that, in as many ways as possible matches one's own background and lifestyle. The canton publishes statistics which lay out the demographics of each Gemeinde including where people tend to work (by sector), average incomes, etc. It makes interesting reading and while it should not be the determining factor alone in deciding where to live, it may at least be a useful tool in assessing in which direction to look. Without being a snob at all, but just looking to live in a community where one feels at home.
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Re: When is Baden not Baden? (that is the question) split from house to rent in Baden

I'd recommend those who think that being 'close' to a larger town (Baden, Zurich, Basel, etc.) means nothing not be quite so cavalier about it... This a bottom-up country where the national government proportionately raises less money in taxes than the cantons, and where the sense of community (and belonging to a community) runs deep. Places like Nussbaumen and Ennetbaden have long histories that are punctuated by events (and statements) where they quite deliberately, and quite definitively, state that they are not part of the bigger community nearby and have no interest in joining it. True, Baden currently wants to fuse with Neuenhof - but Wettingen, which might seem the more logical candidate for fusion, has a rather decided disinterest in doing the same. Certainly: you can choose to see all this as small-minded localism - or you can try to understand why these kinds of identifications matter to people here.

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Is it not Baden canton? like the towns surrounding Zurich? If someone lives in Dubendorf, they may class it as Zurich as it is Zurich Canton, I live in 8052 which is in Zurich Zone 10 but we have our own gremeinde too - don't all suburbs have their own? I say I live in Zurich but am I only allowed to say Zurich if I live in 8001 etc...?

I don't know Baden but really is this not just splitting hairs? being a bit pedantic?
I must say this one just made my day. While already in another canton, Baden is basically one of the towns surrounding Zurich. ... ducks...
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I must say this one just made my day. While already in another canton, Baden is basically one of the towns surrounding Zurich. ... ducks...
Typical Zürich view of Aargau...The city slickers just think that we in Aargau are in their back yard
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