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Old 09.06.2010, 00:01
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I've found Zurich people to be lot more friendly and polite than my last location but that was London so perhaps it's not quite such a surprise. People say Guten Morgen to me in the street here in Wiedikon and that hasn't happened since I lived in the north of England.

The lift thing was a surprise though. I still haven't got used to that. It's a strict rule of English lift usage that you do not acknowledge other people in any way whatsoever.
Here it's not just lifts, it's everywhere, if you walk into the bakers or a boutique you say hello, not somewhere big like the Migros but a small shop, you do the same when entering the doctor's waiting room, someone's house, an office, at the supermarket checkout, to the checkout person etc...

In villages it's common to say hello to strangers when you pass them on foot, on the street, but it's not so common in the bigger towns and cities.

Holding a door open for both sexes is considered polite, for example, I, as a woman, would hold the door for an older woman or elderly man.

Looking people in the eyes when greeting and toasting (cheers) is very important.

Always say Vous until you are invited to say Tu, same for first names.

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Old 09.06.2010, 00:22
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It is important to master lift manners in Switzerland.

When entering a lift you need to say Gruezi (add "mit und and") if there is more than 1 person.

When leaving the lift you should say goodbye in whatever format you wish - goodbye, adieu, schoene tag/morgen/abend/wochenende depending on the time of day or day of the week.

At lunch when you leave the lift you should say en geute even if you are just going out to a meeting and not eating - they probably are - especially if it is 1130 and they look Swiss.

Failure to do this will have you blacklisted as a "bloody auslander" who doesn't appreciate the Swiss culture.
Yes, say hello if you make it in as it's customary to hit the door close button immediately upon entering. If you hold the doors (on a lift that is) for someone, you will get an astonished yet grateful look- similar to the bewilderment one sees when tipping 10% or more in a restaurant.
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Old 09.06.2010, 00:38
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That reminded me of the importance of eye contact — when greeting as well as "toasting" (clinking glasses). This post from the past has some useful (and some tongue-in-cheek) pointers (the whole thread is actually one of many here that are peppered with valuable insights).
The usual Swiss comment about "lack of eye contact — when greeting as well as "toasting" (clinking glasses)"
Is this means "7 years no sex for you"

The correct Anglo Saxon response is "OK then, I will have to take up Golf"
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Old 09.06.2010, 01:35
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The usual Swiss comment about "lack of eye contact — when greeting as well as "toasting" (clinking glasses)"
Is this means "7 years no sex for you"
...I always find that awkward long stare rather weird (when toasting). Maybe it's just me.
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...I always find that awkward long stare rather weird (when toasting). Maybe it's just me.
How long are you staring? You're only supposed to look into the person's eyes, not stare, for the couple of seconds it takes to clink your glasses and say cheers, watch obama, he's good at it

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Old 09.06.2010, 01:46
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How long are you staring? You're only supposed to look into the person's eyes, not stare, for the couple of seconds it takes to clink your glasses and say cheers, watch obama, he's good at it
...other than just the simple "looking into your eyes" I ain't staring hard. The Swiss stare hard..and have their open wide open...
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Old 09.06.2010, 02:10
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Re: Customary manners in CH

I've only been over here a week, but the most obvious ones I picked up on very quickly are; generally being more polite in public, saying hello in the street, to everyone in the lift as already mentioned, also when entering a room - I noticed this at work, if someone just nips into the office to briefly speak one person they will still always greet the whole room when entering.
The eye contact when toasting/saying cheers (that is the norm in a lot of Europe?) ALWAYS saying 'en geute'/'bon appetit' before eating.

Holding doors, lifts, particularly for ladies ... isn't that just general good manors, even back in Southern England?!
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Old 09.06.2010, 02:45
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...I always find that awkward long stare rather weird (when toasting). Maybe it's just me.
Then you do something wrong. When toasting, you give the other a short but direct look, and then turn on. Just as in countries like Italy or Egypt or Lebanon etc. Nothing about long staring.
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Old 09.06.2010, 06:13
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Where I live now, it would be considered very bad manners not to:
Open a car door for a lady.
Open a regular door for a lady, elderly or disabled person.
Tip your hat.
Say hello to people you pass in the street (within realistic quantity).
Bring a bottle of good whisky to a dinner party. (I don't do wine)
Pick up the check for a lunch/dinner.
Hold the elevator
Hold the door for anyone right behind you.
Take off your hat indoors.
Do not fart in public EVER.
Now I know that Katy, Texas is not Zurich, but I'm going to try these and see how it goes. Do I really have to greet everybody on the elevator, or are you pulling my leg?
interesting thread, i say don't change yourself too much macon (cultural differences are what makes us unique!)
You seem to be polite and courteous already and that will go alot further than trying to be like the swiss.
i didn't always say hello in the lift but i would make an acknowledgement with a nod or something.

as for the farting? - a definite no no in the lift
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Old 09.06.2010, 16:07
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You probably opened the door too slowly.
No, I was told; "I can open my own f&%$ing door." She then stated that "a##holes like me were the reason that women are treated like s%&t."
I gazed down into those bitter, black Gucci sunglasses and said..."You must make your mother proud", tipped my hat and continued on.-M
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Old 09.06.2010, 16:10
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Information on polite door opening etiquette:

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No, I was told; "I can open my own f&%$ing door." She then stated that "a##holes like me were the reason that women are treated like s%&t."
I gazed down into those bitter, black Gucci sunglasses and said..."You must make your mother proud", tipped my hat and continued on.-M
My life rules are not to let rude people get to you, there are rude people everywhere, but you can get by with rudeness in bigger cities, because it is much more anonymous (in the town I grew up of 10,000, such rudeness would be the talk of the town). I would not change my behavior because of one person, if you are repeatedly getting abuse, or someone close to you tells you what you are doing is inappropriate, then you may want to consider changing your behavior.
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Old 09.06.2010, 17:40
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No, I was told; "I can open my own f&%$ing door." She then stated that "a##holes like me were the reason that women are treated like s%&t."
I gazed down into those bitter, black Gucci sunglasses and said..."You must make your mother proud", tipped my hat and continued on.-M
I have had a few of those; I am always amazed that they can identify so quickly that I am an a##hole - took my ex-wife many years to reach that conclusion.
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I have had a few of those; I am always amazed that they can identify so quickly that I am an a##hole - took my ex-wife many years to reach that conclusion.
ha ha - that's funny. (Every time I see your name I see Matron for some reason )
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Old 09.06.2010, 18:16
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ha ha - that's funny. (Every time I see your name I see Matron for some reason )
You are not the first one.....

It also often comes up as a spelling correction in Word so I sometimes get letters addressed to Dear Matron.....
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Re: Customary manners in CH

for the first twenty years just relax and watch. then when you feel comfortable be as polite and friendly as you can. this will reap great rewards in most places .

ruraly ( anywhere that isnt zurich ) they will know you as a foriegner and you will always remain so , but if you just emulate the behaviour of those around you , you cant go far wrong.

dont mix up the dutsees and sietsees .....very important. my dad , bless him, still calls swiss vips DU . i call everyone , including the cattle SIE that way they seem less offended.

the swiss are polite and rude at the same time often being politely rude . this may seem pardoxical , but you will soon see what i mean.

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Re: Customary manners in CH

living here (and went to school here) for the last 8ish years (my mother always says I've turned swiss.....)

I'd have no problem with you holding the door open for me and I don't know anyone who would - being that it's always done....

Oh and don't forget - when in the bus/train/tram:

- It's expected to help elderly/disabled/pushchairs in and out
- To give up your seat to an older/pregnant person
- and always always ask before you sit down if the seat is taken

Politely rude - exactly

And when leaving you can also say Adieu the Swiss way which is not "Ah-dew" but "Ah-day"

Just feel it out
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Quite correct, except the part of the shoes. Do NOT take off your shoes ! Unless you see that the hosts are around without. To wear some kind of slippers (Pantoffeln) is the privilege of the host, but guests are expected have their shoes on, unless the shoes got dirty for whatever reason.
Finally I get to correct Wollishofener! At least out here in the east taking shoes off is compulsory unless your hosts really insist (by telling you you donn't have to at least twice, for example). Unless Zürich rules are different in which case I still fail....

To the OP...what's the thing about hats? Something only worn for protection against cold (temperature determined by level of slapheadness) or protection against falling on your head.
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Practising the ISHT DASH NOCH FREI is good fun - but should it be pronounced ISHT DASH NOCH FREE ?
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Finally I get to correct Wollishofener! At least out here in the east taking shoes off is compulsory unless your hosts really insist (by telling you you donn't have to at least twice, for example). Unless Zürich rules are different in which case I still fail....

To the OP...what's the thing about hats? Something only worn for protection against cold (temperature determined by level of slapheadness) or protection against falling on your head.

I cannot talk about "out east" but about Zurich, Schaffhausen, Lausanne and Geneva.
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