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Re: Where can I learn about prostitution laws in Switzerland?

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no, supply creates demand. stop the supply, kill the demand
Ummm, no, it's exactly the opposite -- demand drives supply. (This is why advertising exists: to create demand which otherwise wouldn't exist. Then the manufacturer can conveniently supply this new demand.) This is Economics 101.

And as others have said, we've got tons of counterexamples, such as alcohol and drugs. Whenever those things are banned, demand doesn't go away, but the legal supply does. This unmet demand is then filled by the black market. That is the exact reason why prohibitions are bad, because a regulated legal market has fewer side effects (e.g. crime) than a black market.
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Old 24.04.2011, 21:32
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you're talking about the oldest job in the world....
if it is a job, then prostitution shall be treated as one...it's the only black labour in Switzerland which is acceptable by the politicians and the police, I wonder why?

If I paint somebody fence and don't declare it the police will be over me like flies on a dung...if a young girl is forced to sell sex to an old fart nobody cares! Switzerland in a nutshell...

In Sweden it's illegal to buy sex but not to sell, and it works better than most places...it's the buyers that has to be punished!!!

if you accept it, then ACCEPT it...if not - don't...very simple...
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In Sweden it's illegal to buy sex but not to sell, and it works better than most places...it's the buyers that has to be punished!!!...
This is one possible opinion, there are others and klick on the links if you read swedish, it opens a whole new world:
http://www.lauraagustin.com/smoke-ge...ot-methodology

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Old 24.04.2011, 22:10
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This is one possible opinion, there are others and klick on the links if you read swedish, it opens a whole new world:
http://www.lauraagustin.com/smoke-ge...ot-methodology

Complex topic = complex answer.
it's always very difficult to see the effects of a law...but in general in Sweden buying sex is seen as something very immoral, and very low, similar up there with "drinking & driving" and drugs consumption.

I believe though that equality between men and women (one of the highest in the world )has a much higher impact then the sex buying law. (http://www.sweden.se/eng/Home/Societ...ity-in-Sweden/)
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..and there are still prostitutes in Sweden. Your point is..?
I have never seen a prostitute in Sweden (but then again I'm not from Stockholm, Gothenburg or Malmö), , no red curtains in the villages,

First time was in Zürich when I was 28...felt weird.

Of course prostitution exists in Sweden, but not even comparable to Germany, Switzerland or Netherlands...
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Not at all and thats not what im trying to do, all i want is for them to stick to Langstrasse and those sort of Areas, i guess its the same idea as to have a garbage dump in middle of Bahnhofstrasse...
It's not the girls that bothers me, but the disgusting farts that are hanging around...
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It's not the girls that bothers me, but the disgusting farts that are hanging around...
No need to insult people. You are entitled to your opinion but being vulgar is not an argument. Prostitution in Sweden is now on the Internet, the same people as always go and see prostitutes, and there are all kinds of clients like in any other country. The difference with Swedish law? Exactly what you said:
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I have never seen a prostitute in Sweden
However, the dictionnary shows us that unvisible does not mean inexistent. And you know me now, dear readers, I always go by the dictionnary. As you obviously read Swedish, I can only say as a conclusion that clicking to the links given above would be a good idea. God läsning.
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Re: Where can I learn about prostitution laws in Switzerland?

Used to live near Schützenmattpark in Basel, which late at night is a gay park.

Late one night I was walking home around the outside of the park when I got curb crawled. Car slows down, window down. He sees my expression isn't that of an available hooker and winds the window up and drives off.

On the one hand I was flattered that someone would pay me for it, but on the other I didn't like being mistaken for a cheap tart/possible crack whore.

I am a bloke by the way.
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Old 25.04.2011, 09:08
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No need to insult people---.
sorry didn't mean to "insult" people here on forum who goes to 16 years olds to buy sex...very rude of me....
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Old 25.04.2011, 09:16
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However, the dictionnary shows us that unvisible does not mean inexistent. And you know me now, dear readers, I always go by the dictionnary. As you obviously read Swedish, I can only say as a conclusion that clicking to the links given above would be a good idea. God läsning.
like I said, prostitution exists in Sweden but far from the extent like in other countries...and mainly in the "big" cities...nevertheless, I still think the law gives a marking that the persons which are driving the market shall be punished,
- no demand - no market...very easy....

The "problem" in Sweden is that we always have very tough criteria for "success", you often hear "zero tolerance", and if the goal has not been met, then it's a failure...and since we have no real reference it's difficult to say what is good and what is not...

the articles are good reading but it depends who wrote them...
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Old 25.04.2011, 10:17
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Re: Where can I learn about prostitution laws in Switzerland?

There are two side to being "invisible." While a city may pat itself on the back for having little VISIBLE prostitution, that does not necessarily mean that society is better off. By forcing it completely underground, you create an invisible subclass of people who cannot enjoy the protections society has to offer (like police, and the justice system) and often put themselves at risk trying to attend to more basic needs (like medical). Forcing people to live on the fringe because they are doing something you don't like, but will be done anyway, simply creates a different set of strains - and creates a social strata ripe for organized crime (who will provide the protections society refuses to, at a very different sort of cost).

I am not an expert. I just come from a country that stigmatizes all sex work and criminalizes some of it (the US) and had friends who were forced to constantly dance along the fringes.

Is it desirable that there be NO prostitution? Quite possibly. But there is a difference between "a society where no one finds prostitution appealing because the rest of their life takes care of their needs conventionally" and "a society with no streetwalkers." And, as a whole, the second might quite possibly be a lot worse than legally tolerating some prostitution.
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Old 25.04.2011, 11:43
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Re: Where can I learn about prostitution laws in Switzerland?

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/factsheet.html

It is desirable that there be NO prostitution. Above ground, underground, anywhere. Is this possible...probably not in this life, but we can try. It's one of the saddest, heartbreaking topics I know of.

The average age of entry is 13/14 - no, maybe not in EVERY country, but internationally. Maybe the 26 y.o. isn't 13 now...ugh.
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Re: Where can I learn about prostitution laws in Switzerland?

Prostitution doesn't HAVE to be sad and humiliating, plus, how many women factor in "he's got a very good job" into their choice of partner? You cannot draw the line clearly and if a woman makes a conscious choice to do this job, is over 20 and allowed to work in a safe environment with fair pay, it's probably better than a few other "respectable" jobs going.

Of course, human trafficking and bargain basement attitude clients who completely disregard the rules of safe sex make the whole thing very unpleasant for the majority of people but I do know some ladies who worked in the business prior to the influx from Eastern Countries and they have absolutely no regrets. And in some cases, a nice car and an apartment that belongs to them.
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I am not an expert. I just come from a country that stigmatizes all sex work and criminalizes some of it (the US) and had friends who were forced to constantly dance along the fringes.
Good comment! Although this book does not cover prostitution, you might be interested in reading this:

America's War On Sex
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I do know some ladies who worked in the business prior to the influx from Eastern Countries and they have absolutely no regrets. And in some cases, a nice car and an apartment that belongs to them.
I remember when I first left University. It was during a recession and I did some crap jobs that were very low paid, and sometimes dangerous. I would've quite hapily changed that to have sex with well-to-do women if I'd had the oportunity. Sadly, I'm no Richard Gere.

I don't have a moral issue with it at all if it's two consenting adults. Under-age, human trafficking, drugs, vulnerable people, pimps and violence are the crimes associated with it and that's what people hate.
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Old 26.04.2011, 14:29
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And as others have said, we've got tons of counterexamples, such as alcohol and drugs. Whenever those things are banned, demand doesn't go away, but the legal supply does.
I think it works both ways. There are people who really want something and will buy it illicitly if they can't buy it legally.

There are also people who buy certain things because they are easy to get but if they were more difficult or illegal they wouldn't bother and probably wouldn't even be aware they were missing out on anything.

To ascertain whether or not a ban would be effective you would have to look at the relative size of those two categories of clients.

As far as I am aware, nobody has done that yet.
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Re: Where can I learn about prostitution laws in Switzerland?

Following trials in Cologne, DE the Vicarious Boxes ( Verrichtungsboxen ) will installed ( Spring of 2012 ) at Zurich West's Aargauerstrasse, just after Techno Park - a first for CH.

This is for privacy in having sex.

Swissinfo DE / translated EN

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Drive in sex boxes ( Zurich )

I heard this story on WRS this morning and then found it in the ever trustworthy "Metro"

Zurich planning drive-in sex-boxes

now how will this work? ... Will it be like "Jack in the box" where you drive up to the clowns head and place your order?

"I'll have a large Coke, fries, and a blow job? .. no wait, whats the toy with the HappyEnding meal this week? "
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Old 26.05.2011, 11:58
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Re: Where can I learn about prostitution laws in Switzerland?

How long do you think it will take for the local criminals to realize the potential gold mine of middle-aged men ripe for the robbing behind those partitions?
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ZURICH — Local officials have decided that this city's expanding legal sex industry needs to be better organized. Zurich municipal authorities have proposed a series of changes to existing prostitution regulations that would allow prostitutes to continue plying their trade, but only in three specific zones — including one equipped with new booths to welcome their clients.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...#ixzz1OLo1RVXu
This article says that they want to move prostitutes on from Langstrasse and Sihlquai to other designated places. Unfortunately, for me, one of the plans is to introduce sex-boxes in Altstetten.

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Now, just to be clear, it's unfortunate for me because I live by Altstetten, not for some other shady reason e.g. it would be too far for me to travel, haha.

Anyway, is there anything that I can do to put pressure on the local authority to change their decision of putting sex-boxes in this area?

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