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Old 23.06.2007, 16:56
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From what I've gathered so far, I think this only applies to Genevans, not Romands in general. A Genevan friend told me this is because during WWII the Swiss military policy was not to defend Geneva in case of attack. It sits outside the "anti tank barrier" zone.
Not sure how much this is true as I only heard this from one family.
I believe it was the policy not to attempt to defend Geneva in the event of an invasion but to pull back behind a defensive line. These links have some information about this.


http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/200...e-switzerland/

http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives...zerlandies.php

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/stagnaro5.html
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Old 23.06.2007, 18:52
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I believe it was the policy not to attempt to defend Geneva in the event of an invasion but to pull back behind a defensive line. These links have some information about this.


http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/200...e-switzerland/

http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives...zerlandies.php

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/stagnaro5.html

I know the policy is true. What I"m not sure about is if this is why Genevans feel less Swiss (or even if they do feel less Swiss).

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Old 23.06.2007, 19:57
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Re: Your questions on Switzerland: ask the Swiss guy

Spoke about this to my wife who is Swiss and lived in Geneva for 20 years. She does not think that the Swiss there feel any less Swiss but you have to remember that, with all the international organisations and companies there, about 45% of the population are foreign. Also a very large number of frontier workers come in every day from France to work in the shops and restaurants etc.

http://www.ville-ge.ch/en/decouvrir/...population.htm

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Old 23.06.2007, 20:44
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A Genevan friend told me this is because during WWII the Swiss military policy was not to defend Geneva in case of attack.
Mmmm, interesting. A friend of mine from Bern did his military service, or part of it, guarding foreign embassies in Geneva. According to him the residents do not exactly welcome the presence of the military in the city. He had to endure being cursed at and even spat on while on duty. It didn't matter which embassy it was he was stood in front of, and he got the same attitude wherever he went in uniform.
I wonder if there's a connection...
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Old 23.06.2007, 21:29
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Mmmm, interesting. A friend of mine from Bern did his military service, or part of it, guarding foreign embassies in Geneva. According to him the residents do not exactly welcome the presence of the military in the city. He had to endure being cursed at and even spat on while on duty. It didn't matter which embassy it was he was stood in front of, and he got the same attitude wherever he went in uniform.
I wonder if there's a connection...
Possibly. Imagine he was guarding the foreign embassies but if Geneva was attacked, he would leave the people to fend for themselves.
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Old 23.06.2007, 21:30
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Spoke about this to my wife who is Swiss and lived in Geneva for 20 years. She does not think that the Swiss there feel any less Swiss but you have to remember that, with all the international organisations and companies there, about 45% of the population are foreign. Also a very large number of frontier workers come in every day from France to work in the shops and restaurants etc.

http://www.ville-ge.ch/en/decouvrir/...population.htm
Is she Genevan herself?
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Old 23.06.2007, 23:19
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Mmmm, interesting. A friend of mine from Bern did his military service, or part of it, guarding foreign embassies in Geneva. According to him the residents do not exactly welcome the presence of the military in the city. He had to endure being cursed at and even spat on while on duty. It didn't matter which embassy it was he was stood in front of, and he got the same attitude wherever he went in uniform.
I wonder if there's a connection...
Its difficult to comment on these sort of reports. I can only say that Ive been here 18 years and never heard of this or seen any reports in the papers. The Swiss sans Army organisation is based in Geneva and they sometimes have demonstrations so maybe it was one of these. Also remember that 45% of the population is not Swiss.

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Is she Genevan herself?
My wife is Swiss German but moved to Geneva as a teenager. Her first husband was in the army and rose to the rank of major. She finds your comments about the attitude of Genevians towards the army very strange and not at all in accordance with her experience.

As for the army not defending Geneva against a German invasion, just look at the geography and youll understand why. Note how close the border is to the town and how exposed it would be to artillery on Mt, Salve and Jura on the other side of the border. If you had been a resident would you seriously have wanted to stay while the town was destroyed in a battle the army could not win ?
Ive never heard this theory before so I have asked a friend who is now in his 80s and has lived there all his life including, of course, the war. Hed not heard it either !
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Old 23.06.2007, 23:31
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The Swiss sans Army organisation is based in Geneva and they sometimes have demonstrations so maybe it was one of these.
The way my friend described it, it was not an isolated incident, but I will check with him for more details.

I don't know if 45% of the population being foreign has anything to do with it. Not sure about other foreigners of course, but as guest in someone else's country I usually try to avoid pissing off their military.

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Old 23.06.2007, 23:48
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The way my friend described it, it was not an isolated incident, but I will check with him for more details.

I don't know if 45% of the population being foreign has anything to do with it. Not sure about other foreigners of course, but as guest in someone else's country I usually try to avoid pissing off their military.
It would be interesting to hear more about this. I know there have been demonstrations in Geneva by foreign residents who have some grievance with one of the embassies or the various international organisations.
I just mentioned the very high proportion of foreign residence as people tend to presume that anyone they meet there is Swiss which, of course is not the case.
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Old 23.06.2007, 23:53
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Its difficult to comment on these sort of reports. I can only say that Ive been here 18 years and never heard of this or seen any reports in the papers. The Swiss sans Army organisation is based in Geneva and they sometimes have demonstrations so maybe it was one of these. Also remember that 45% of the population is not Swiss.

My wife is Swiss German but moved to Geneva as a teenager. Her first husband was in the army and rose to the rank of major. She finds your comments about the attitude of Genevians towards the army very strange and not at all in accordance with her experience.

As for the army not defending Geneva against a German invasion, just look at the geography and youll understand why. Note how close the border is to the town and how exposed it would be to artillery on Mt, Salve and Jura on the other side of the border. If you had been a resident would you seriously have wanted to stay while the town was destroyed in a battle the army could not win ?
Ive never heard this theory before so I have asked a friend who is now in his 80s and has lived there all his life including, of course, the war. Hed not heard it either !
Who are you replying to? I have never mentioned my opinion of the Swiss army so I imagine you are replying to nobones even though you have responded under my quote.

I do know the geography of Switzerland & know the policy during WWII. So, I have no idea what is your point.

My comments was in reply to Gautsch's (who is Swiss as well) comment which I quote:
"(well, maybe except for Romands, who sometimes would like to be more French than Swiss it seems)"
And why I heard that might be... So it apparently I am not the only one who has heard this.

Shall we get my friend & his family together with your friend and his family & the two of them can discuss their opinions? I clearly said this is what was recounted to me by a Genevan family, who have been Genevan for many generations, as they like to inform all who will listen. I imagine it is important for them to distinguish themselves from the other 45% of the population.
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Old 24.06.2007, 00:31
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Who are you replying to? I have never mentioned my opinion of the Swiss army so I imagine you are replying to nobones even though you have responded under my quote.

I do know the geography of Switzerland & know the policy during WWII. So, I have no idea what is your point.

My comments was in reply to Gautsch's (who is Swiss as well) comment which I quote:
"(well, maybe except for Romands, who sometimes would like to be more French than Swiss it seems)"
And why I heard that might be... So it apparently I am not the only one who has heard this.

Shall we get my friend & his family together with your friend and his family & the two of them can discuss their opinions? I clearly said this is what was recounted to me by a Genevan family, who have been Genevan for many generations, as they like to inform all who will listen. I imagine it is important for them to distinguish themselves from the other 45% of the population.
I think that this is getting a bit confused. My post at 22 :19 has two quotes. The first, as you will see, was in response to nobones. There is then a second quote in response to your question Is she Genevian herself to which I replied and follows on from your post at 17 :52 and your previous post yesterday at 20 :30.

Its interesting that your friends have this opinion but, as I said, its not something that weve heard before.
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Old 24.06.2007, 07:30
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Re: Your questions on Switzerland: ask the Swiss guy

To tell you the honest truth, I've never been to Geneva (only driving through on the way to Spain , so I don't know. I think it's more of a general sentiment of the Swiss-Germans that the Romands are somehow 'less Swiss' then them..hence the Roestigraben. It's a kind of weird rivalry...
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Re: Your questions on Switzerland: ask the Swiss guy

Here comes the Genevan...

I think myself as Genevan first and Swiss second, something I share with a lot of my friends. It's pretty hard to find common ground with a guy from Uri, say...What does unite us, as someone said, are the Post Office, the Railways and Migros

I have to say I share my fellow Swiss puzzlement about our "sobriety", I've just come back from Gva and my liver is about to hop out of my body. Whilst in the UK I generally stick to beer, I've abused myself with beer, spirits and wine the whole week-end and I'm not 20 anymore...
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Re: Your questions on Switzerland: ask the Swiss guy

Time for another totally unrelated question for the Swiss - why are there red poppies planted along the edges of crops? You can see them on the edges of eg wheat fields in the countryside.

My friends say that they are just naturally-occuring wild plants. Trouble with that theory is, they only appear on the edges of crops and not randomly distributed in the crop, and they don't appear in pasture, and they are only red in colour...
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hehe, good observation. the tram bunching has to do with people having to get off and not wanting to fight through that big crowd at the entrance
so instead of sitting down they just join the bunch and loiter. as for other places: Swiss people are heavily territorial. At a party in an Anglo country it's normal for people to just walk around and talk to strangers. Swiss people are very reluctant to do that (unless they've had enough Chablis and then anything goes) and so they just gather around their friends and for a bunch of humans. Very annoying if it happens to be at the entrance. If you find one of those crowds, you know that there hasn't been enough white wine served yet.
I just wonder if it comes down to general obliviousness to people around them. I've seen it at the Hbf too... eg people travel on a (full) escalator to the top and then immediately stop once they get off at the top, and the people behind them must take evasive action otherwise they will crash into them...
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I just wonder if it comes down to general obliviousness to people around them. I've seen it at the Hbf too... eg people travel on a (full) escalator to the top and then immediately stop once they get off at the top, and the people behind them must take evasive action otherwise they will crash into them...
I tend to agree with bubbles on this one. The escalator example is a great one and occurs all too often, though not exclusively in CH. You also see this when you're walking on the sidewalk/pavement and no one in a group of 2 or more people coming the other way make any kind of move to give you a centimeter of space to pass the other way. This seems to happen here more often than in other places (even London with its crowded streets).

Another example is in the grocery store when people will walk right in front of your cart/trolley and look shocked if you run into them.
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Time for another totally unrelated question for the Swiss - why are there red poppies planted along the edges of crops? You can see them on the edges of eg wheat fields in the countryside.

My friends say that they are just naturally-occuring wild plants. Trouble with that theory is, they only appear on the edges of crops and not randomly distributed in the crop, and they don't appear in pasture, and they are only red in colour...
crop spraying kills them off ... must say that there is a greater abundance & variety in "set aside" / verges here than in the UK, which is a pleasant surprise
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Time for another totally unrelated question for the Swiss - why are there red poppies planted along the edges of crops? You can see them on the edges of eg wheat fields in the countryside.

My friends say that they are just naturally-occuring wild plants. Trouble with that theory is, they only appear on the edges of crops and not randomly distributed in the crop, and they don't appear in pasture, and they are only red in colour...
I also think they are naturally occurring wild plants & not specifically planted there. Tilling, sowing, competition for resources, weeding, spraying, etc. will disrupt the growth of the poppies in the fields but they will survive at the borders.
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