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When is the right time to leave Switzerland?

Have you ever know, when is the right time to quit Switzerland. I know most EFers here are new comers... just landed here, and r trying t adapt to the new life...

but also a lot of people here are forum veterans... Did you ever think of quit this country. and when is the right time to do so, or say right time that we really feel to go? purely react on feelings...?

if so, then i will leave immediately!.

I am tired of being here, Cold Swiss people, ( ref. dont fall off your bike in Zurich.. you get NO help!), not so interesting social activities... i wont list all the problems here, as there is one place called complaints corner. But hey, when shall we leave then?

Dont get me wrong, i also value the life quality here, nice view, mountain, lake, ... honestly i personally never found CH is an expensive place to live . Comparing to those cosmo cities where I lived, here is rather cheap. Look at this , we pay less tax here, spend less time on commute... people are low - key or tasteless, whatever, but surely i no more need to wear Armani everyday at work.... all these save a lot of money! Plus, honestly, we work less than certain counties... ( I am sure my boss is not EFers )

So, shall we leave this place or stay here, and just complain on and off? Any expats here have plans to leave in short/long term or rather being settled here?
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Re: When is the right time to leave Switzerland?

...and where would you go ?

Me ? Luvvin da Zurich !!
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Re: When is the right time to leave Switzerland?

a few options, NY ( i said no). London, i m still thinking, or Asia ( I am also thinking).

I never felt so strong as of these days that maybe its time to leave CH. No, not ZH> i was there before, honestly it is worse than Swiss Romand, i really could not get along with Swiss Germans ... , i tried.
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Have you ever know, when is the right time to quit Switzerland. I know most EFers here are new comers... just landed here, and r trying t adapt to the new life...

but also a lot of people here are forum veterans... Did you ever think of quit this country. and when is the right time to do so, or say right time that we really feel to go? purely react on feelings...?

if so, then i will leave immediately!.

I am tired of being here, Cold Swiss people, ( ref. dont fall off your bike in Zurich.. you get NO help!), not so interesting social activities... i wont list all the problems here, as there is one place called complaints corner. But hey, when shall we leave then?

Dont get me wrong, i also value the life quality here, nice view, mountain, lake, ... honestly i personally never found CH is an expensive place to live . Comparing to those cosmo cities where I lived, here is rather cheap. Look at this , we pay less tax here, spend less time on commute... people are low - key or tasteless, whatever, but surely i no more need to wear Armani everyday at work.... all these save a lot of money! Plus, honestly, we work less than certain counties... ( I am sure my boss is not EFers )

So, shall we leave this place or stay here, and just complain on and off? Any expats here have plans to leave in short/long term or rather being settled here?

I suspect that as you have lived in many different cities that you have itchy feet. In my expereience people who have lived in several different cities find it really hard to settle.

Me - I have had more comebacks to Switzerland than Frank Sinatra
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Re: When is the right time to leave Switzerland?

Hello Bluesky,
understand you very well, I am only here for about a month but I feel like a year...
if you have a chance in Asia( the best would be in Hongkong ) , should give yourself a try....its more fun there.... wish you happy and find your right place....
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I suspect that as you have lived in many different cities that you have itchy feet. In my expereience people who have lived in several different cities find it really hard to settle.

Me - I have had more comebacks to Switzerland than Frank Sinatra
Take a coin. Heads you stay, tails you leave. Let the coin decide.

As soon as you see it land and see what it tells you, you'll know how you really feel.

Good luck
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Re: When is the right time to leave Switzerland?

I hear you bluesky_2009. I live in Lausanne but commute 1 hour and 15 mins to my job in Geneva every day, so it's a hard knock life for me. Switzerland is a nice place to live, but sometimes it is so dead and boring here I feel like screaming out of frustration. I also hate having to be super organised with the ridiculous store hours here. The thrill of skiing in the Alps every weekend no longer does it for me. I guess that is a sign that I should check out as well.
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Re: When is the right time to leave Switzerland?

Try street parade if you are bored.
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I suspect that as you have lived in many different cities that you have itchy feet. In my expereience people who have lived in several different cities find it really hard to settle.

Me - I have had more comebacks to Switzerland than Frank Sinatra
Maybe you are right. But same time, don;t u see so many people ( at least here on EF) are also complaining about CH life? I always thought that we ( being foreigners here) should try ourselves to adapt. but honestly, there is a point that we give up ?

Last time i thought i would be settled here... But social life here... really s#$ks.

Plus i cant understand my Swiss friends, vice versa... for instance, i cant join their vacation trip as i m asking at last min. I was going to pay all the additional costs myself anyway, no change on their side, i would even share the rental car cost. And i will just follow their planned routes... but they still dont feel comfortable that i join at last min.

another example. I try to be as organized as Swiss... I said 10 days ago that I will go to mountain this weekend with some friends. I asked one of the friend today, whats the plan, then it turns out there is no plan! and i was told that I am complicated... it would be just a casual weekend!

U see, whatever I do, seems not matching the Right Way of organizing to be compiled with the Real Swiss facon...
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I hear you bluesky_2009. I live in Lausanne but commute 1 hour and 15 mins to my job in Geneva every day, so it's a hard knock life for me. Switzerland is a nice place to live, but sometimes it is so dead and boring here I feel like screaming out of frustration. I also hate having to be super organised with the ridiculous store hours here. The thrill of skiing in the Alps every weekend no longer does it for me. I guess that is a sign that I should check out as well.
i also travel to GE everyday. door to door, takes me 1h15min , one way. but honestly this is a nice ride, comparing to the ride in Paris tube, London... swiss train is good. u see i am objective

BUT... yes, i m getting more and more frustrated. I felt that i made huge efforts... and still not anywhere close to meet the swiss standard.
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Hello Bluesky,
understand you very well, I am only here for about a month but I feel like a year...
if you have a chance in Asia( the best would be in Hongkong ) , should give yourself a try....its more fun there.... wish you happy and find your right place....
Lg,
bella

Yes HK!

But i m afraid of the Hot Humid weather in summer :P
plus they are workaholics
also the mentality of people there, they are superficial in a away ( no offense, but just a remark!) You see i have been trying so hard to adapt to Swiss life, i wear no more mini skirts for date, as Swiss men prefer women to be sportive and natural...

If i go to HK, i can no more walk with high heels... forgot how


But maybe afterall , i will still go...
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Try street parade if you are bored.
I m not bored. I am frustrated. and being alone in this parade... wont improve anything

Thanks still
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i also travel to GE everyday. door to door, takes me 1h15min , one way. but honestly this is a nice ride, comparing to the ride in Paris tube, London... swiss train is good. u see i am objective

BUT... yes, i m getting more and more frustrated. I felt that i made huge efforts... and still not anywhere close to meet the swiss standard.
Good point, the Paris metro or London tube during rush hour in the morning would be worse. I didn't mean to complain about the Swiss train. It's actually my favorite thing about Switzerland. Constantly running for trains and buses and never getting back to Lausanne when things are open just wore me out over time. I also like Lausanne better than Geneva, and I lived in Zurich for 4 years (didn't like the Swiss German mentality either) so I guess this is as good as it gets for me in Switzerland.

Being that we're both in Lausanne and working in Geneva, feel free to PM me if you feel like meeting up to comiserate. Maybe I've seen you on the platform catching the train to Geneva in the mornings too.
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Maybe I've seen you on the platform catching the train to Geneva in the mornings too.

Maybe you have seen this crazy one running for the train...

i like the Swiss train to be on time, but the GE bus... gosh, now is still vacation timetable, it takes forever to get to the station... ( vacation timetable, wonder who is on vacation... not me! )
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Have you ever know, when is the right time to quit Switzerland. I know most EFers here are new comers... just landed here, and r trying t adapt to the new life...

but also a lot of people here are forum veterans... Did you ever think of quit this country. and when is the right time to do so, or say right time that we really feel to go? purely react on feelings...?

if so, then i will leave immediately!.

I am tired of being here, Cold Swiss people, ( ref. dont fall off your bike in Zurich.. you get NO help!), not so interesting social activities... i wont list all the problems here, as there is one place called complaints corner. But hey, when shall we leave then?

Dont get me wrong, i also value the life quality here, nice view, mountain, lake, ... honestly i personally never found CH is an expensive place to live . Comparing to those cosmo cities where I lived, here is rather cheap. Look at this , we pay less tax here, spend less time on commute... people are low - key or tasteless, whatever, but surely i no more need to wear Armani everyday at work.... all these save a lot of money! Plus, honestly, we work less than certain counties... ( I am sure my boss is not EFers )

So, shall we leave this place or stay here, and just complain on and off? Any expats here have plans to leave in short/long term or rather being settled here?
Its easy to have a love-hate relationship with Switzerland. I think one of the problems people have is that Switzerland is so "perfect". There really is no poverty, things really work! No wars...Just when you think the Swiss are cowards they refuse to hand over Polanski to a superpower like USA...shows they have backbone...the country is rich...pretty clean... It takes a lot of discipline to stay here. You know... with the store hours and such, you have to be sure to get there before they close. The trains and buses are basically on time. I normally leave Switzerland for a few years and come back. (Swiss is my second citizenship). Because even though we complain about it, there is something that keeps you there, or draws you back. It may be because Switzerland is "one" of the only places where you can dam near have a "perfect" life...When I write perfect I don't mean the people are perfect, or the country never have problems...but it is one of the few places that if you follow the rules (and don't mind following them) you can just about have Nirvana on earth...
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Re: When is the right time to leave Switzerland?

I have started a list of symptoms occuring when you need to leave,

When you are envious of the garbage bag designs in the next village
When you think nothing of paying CHF 75 for a Kilo for steak
When you have only CHF 300, and rush to a Bank automat
When you are anxious because the train is 1 minute late
When you avoid the 20min and buy a proper newspaper
When you specially tune in to the news on Swiss radio
When you think up excuses not to go inside Aldi & Lidl
When you hold the doors open for following people
When you only buy chocolate at a chocolaterie
When you drive in the outside lane at 119 Km/h
When you wish you could vote in the elections
When you never do the washing on Sunday
When you put Aromat on all your food
When you always choose Swiss wine
When you are hard at work at 7 am
When you own an SBB abonnement
When you stop drinking tap water
When you can speak the dialect
When you read the orbituaries

If you are ignoring these signs, it results in a permanent residence, and an ugly partner!

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I have started a list of symptoms occuring when you need to leave,

When you are envious of the garbage bag designs in the next village
When you think nothing of paying CHF 75 for a Kilo for steak
When you have only CHF 300, and rush to a Bank automat
When you are anxious because the train is 1 minute late
When you avoid the 20min and buy a proper newspaper
When you specially tune in to the news on Swiss radio
When you think up excuses not to go inside Aldi & Lidl
When you hold the doors open for following people
When you only buy chocolate at a chocolaterie
When you drive in the outside lane at 119 Km/h
When you wish you could vote in the elections
When you never do the washing on Sunday
When you put Aromat on all your food
When you always choose Swiss wine
When you are hard at work at 7 am
When you own an SBB abonnement
When you stop drinking tap water
When you can speak the dialect
When you read the orbituaries

If you are ignoring these signs, it results in a permanent residence, and an ugly partner!

6 symptoms in just over a year! I won't last much longer
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Re: When is the right time to leave Switzerland?

I am afraid that I have most of these symptoms... Except that I still prefer French wine ...

dont know what is aldi & lidl... i m at the french side...

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I have started a list of symptoms occuring when you need to leave,

When you are envious of the garbage bag designs in the next village
When you think nothing of paying CHF 75 for a Kilo for steak
When you have only CHF 300, and rush to a Bank automat
When you are anxious because the train is 1 minute late
When you avoid the 20min and buy a proper newspaper
When you specially tune in to the news on Swiss radio
When you think up excuses not to go inside Aldi & Lidl
When you hold the doors open for following people
When you only buy chocolate at a chocolaterie
When you drive in the outside lane at 119 Km/h
When you wish you could vote in the elections
When you never do the washing on Sunday
When you put Aromat on all your food
When you always choose Swiss wine
When you are hard at work at 7 am
When you own an SBB abonnement
When you stop drinking tap water
When you can speak the dialect
When you read the orbituaries

If you are ignoring these signs, it results in a permanent residence, and an ugly partner!
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I am afraid that I have most of these symptoms... Except that I still prefer French wine ...

dont know what is aldi & lidl... i m at the french side...
There are Aldi shops in Lausanne and Lidly shops in Pontarlier,
"Donc, mon petit chou, s'il tu plaît ne pas essayer de tirer la laine sur mes yeux rostbeef belle .."

.... and now it is time for you to leave Switzerland, or marry the frog!
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Re: When is the right time to leave Switzerland?

Everything you said here is so accurate, i cant put it in a better way than this myself.

It is just also tiring to move every two years... Maybe time to move on again... bof, i just bought some new funitures... thought i will be settled here...

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Its easy to have a love-hate relationship with Switzerland. I think one of the problems people have is that Switzerland is so "perfect". There really is no poverty, things really work! No wars...Just when you think the Swiss are cowards they refuse to hand over Polanski to a superpower like USA...shows they have backbone...the country is rich...pretty clean... It takes a lot of discipline to stay here. You know... with the store hours and such, you have to be sure to get there before they close. The trains and buses are basically on time. I normally leave Switzerland for a few years and come back. (Swiss is my second citizenship). Because even though we complain about it, there is something that keeps you there, or draws you back. It may be because Switzerland is "one" of the only places where you can dam near have a "perfect" life...When I write perfect I don't mean the people are perfect, or the country never have problems...but it is one of the few places that if you follow the rules (and don't mind following them) you can just about have Nirvana on earth...
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