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24.08.2010 16:21

Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
I am going for the weekend to Italy by train, and there is a possibility for me to buy a nice bike there.

If I come by train with the bike on the bikes compartment ( I am not sure it there is such a thing on the Cisalpino though ), would I get taxed or have to declare the bike ?

please halp !

Doctor 24.08.2010 16:24

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
Why not get one of these green forms for VAT return, and pay the swiss tax and get the Italian VAT back ?

Doc.

Caviarchips 24.08.2010 16:29

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
Well, before the thread turns into a "should you / shouldn't you" discussion re tax....the simple answer is that it is highly unlikely that a bike not in a box that has been ridden will be spotted as a new purchase by any guards you meet, so i'm sure it'll be fine......but if its not assembled etc, you probably will be

Up to you if you feel ok about skipping tax though

Guest 24.08.2010 16:31

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
I have never seen officers looking for taxable goods on the few times I have taken the Cisalpino...but second poster has a point, you might get a hefty sum back if you claim Italian VAT back :)...19% right?

Nick Blake 24.08.2010 16:41

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
SL - I'm pretty sure the Cisalpino trains (despite having a small bike section, with hooks and a bike sticker on the window) don't allow bikes on. I know this having been chucked off when trying to get on at Arth Goldau.....

Not sure about the likelihood of getting hit for tax although I would imagine that if you rode across the border at a well chosen place then you're unlikely to get stopped.

24.08.2010 17:14

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
the bike is not new so no Italian VAT

another option is to jump out of the train in Como and come to Lugano by bike and then take the normal train

Caviarchips 24.08.2010 17:24

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
Just bring it then.....you'll be fine 99% of the time.....if asked, its yours

Lou 24.08.2010 17:39

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
take bike tax stickers with you to stick on the bike after you buy it, if anyone asks just say "what this old thing" ;).

Cashboy 24.08.2010 17:44

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover (Post 919229)
I am going for the weekend to Italy by train, and there is a possibility for me to buy a nice bike there.

If I come by train with the bike on the bikes compartment ( I am not sure it there is such a thing on the Cisalpino though ), would I get taxed or have to declare the bike ?

please halp !

I gather it is a second hand bike?
I don't know where you are coming from in Italy and your destination to in Switzerland get off the train in Como and ride it through the border and get back on in Chiasso.

If you really had a problem there is a house on the border near Chiasso.
The lounge is in Italy and the kitchen in Switzerland.
The family charge 1% "family tax" to bring stuff through their house. The house must be priceless.

Wollishofener 24.08.2010 21:22

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover (Post 919229)
I am going for the weekend to Italy by train, and there is a possibility for me to buy a nice bike there.

If I come by train with the bike on the bikes compartment ( I am not sure it there is such a thing on the Cisalpino though ), would I get taxed or have to declare the bike ?

please halp !

A) Buy the "Velo-Vignette" here in Switzerland BEFORE departing, and then place it onto your new bike
B) take some nice labels (airline, hotel, holiday resort) with you and decorate the new bike
C) most important, UNPACK the new bike and use if for a few kilometers in Italy.

By these steps it becomes "used personal belonging" and nobody can demand proof that you bought it in Switzerland.

Wollishofener 24.08.2010 21:39

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover (Post 919327)
the bike is not new so no Italian VAT

another option is to jump out of the train in Como and come to Lugano by bike and then take the normal train

You only have to get to Chiasso, as the train station of Chiasso is on CH territory !

jacek 24.08.2010 21:59

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
As suggested I would combine ride by train to Italy one way and hop over the border on the used bike to catch a local CH train with bike racks on the other side. Or even better be prepared for a few days trip by bike down to Zurich with more than one stop overnight in spectacular Alpine locations. Then you will be praised by fellow cyclists on the EF for such a feat as well :)

Wollishofener 24.08.2010 22:09

Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jacek (Post 919659)
As suggested I would combine ride by train to Italy one way and hop over the border on the used bike to catch a local CH train with bike racks on the other side. Or even better be prepared for a few days trip by bike down to Zurich with more than one stop overnight in spectacular Alpine locations. Then you will be praised by fellow cyclists on the EF for such a feat as well :)

Would YOU accompany him accross the San Gottardo ? :) True, I in much younger years, with two colleagues once biked to Basel, once alone to Brunnen on the Lake of Lucerne, and with two other colleagues to the Lake of Constance. No, if he has time, he might bike from Chiasso to Lugano, then from Lugano over Agno to Ponte Tresa, and from there back into Italy to Luino, and then by ship to the other side of the Lago Maggiore and up to Locarno .... and there onto the train northwards. Possibly not a fast train but a regional one with the chance to get out for dinner in a place like Biasca or Ambri-Piotta or Airolo, before taking a train through the San Gottardo to the North. Alternatively, take a fast train from Locarno to Luzern to have a nice dinner overthere.


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