Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 24.08.2010, 16:21
Salsa_Lover
 
Posts: n/a
Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

I am going for the weekend to Italy by train, and there is a possibility for me to buy a nice bike there.

If I come by train with the bike on the bikes compartment ( I am not sure it there is such a thing on the Cisalpino though ), would I get taxed or have to declare the bike ?

please halp !
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 24.08.2010, 16:24
Doctor's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,071
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 527 Times in 323 Posts
Doctor has a reputation beyond reputeDoctor has a reputation beyond reputeDoctor has a reputation beyond reputeDoctor has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

Why not get one of these green forms for VAT return, and pay the swiss tax and get the Italian VAT back ?

Doc.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 24.08.2010, 16:29
Caviarchips's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Basel Stadt
Posts: 3,994
Groaned at 104 Times in 80 Posts
Thanked 6,677 Times in 2,388 Posts
Caviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

Well, before the thread turns into a "should you / shouldn't you" discussion re tax....the simple answer is that it is highly unlikely that a bike not in a box that has been ridden will be spotted as a new purchase by any guards you meet, so i'm sure it'll be fine......but if its not assembled etc, you probably will be

Up to you if you feel ok about skipping tax though
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 24.08.2010, 16:31
Angela-74's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Kanton Neuchatel
Posts: 5,740
Groaned at 106 Times in 87 Posts
Thanked 5,665 Times in 2,772 Posts
Angela-74 has a reputation beyond reputeAngela-74 has a reputation beyond reputeAngela-74 has a reputation beyond reputeAngela-74 has a reputation beyond reputeAngela-74 has a reputation beyond reputeAngela-74 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

I have never seen officers looking for taxable goods on the few times I have taken the Cisalpino...but second poster has a point, you might get a hefty sum back if you claim Italian VAT back ...19% right?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 24.08.2010, 16:41
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 52
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 28 Times in 19 Posts
Nick Blake has a reputation beyond reputeNick Blake has a reputation beyond reputeNick Blake has a reputation beyond reputeNick Blake has a reputation beyond reputeNick Blake has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

SL - I'm pretty sure the Cisalpino trains (despite having a small bike section, with hooks and a bike sticker on the window) don't allow bikes on. I know this having been chucked off when trying to get on at Arth Goldau.....

Not sure about the likelihood of getting hit for tax although I would imagine that if you rode across the border at a well chosen place then you're unlikely to get stopped.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 24.08.2010, 17:14
Salsa_Lover
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

the bike is not new so no Italian VAT

another option is to jump out of the train in Como and come to Lugano by bike and then take the normal train
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 24.08.2010, 17:24
Caviarchips's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Basel Stadt
Posts: 3,994
Groaned at 104 Times in 80 Posts
Thanked 6,677 Times in 2,388 Posts
Caviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond reputeCaviarchips has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

Just bring it then.....you'll be fine 99% of the time.....if asked, its yours
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 24.08.2010, 17:39
Lou's Avatar
Lou Lou is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,783
Groaned at 9 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 3,227 Times in 1,474 Posts
Lou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond reputeLou has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

take bike tax stickers with you to stick on the bike after you buy it, if anyone asks just say "what this old thing" .
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 24.08.2010, 17:44
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ticino & London
Posts: 1,969
Groaned at 165 Times in 89 Posts
Thanked 1,132 Times in 622 Posts
Cashboy has a reputation beyond reputeCashboy has a reputation beyond reputeCashboy has a reputation beyond reputeCashboy has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

Quote:
View Post
I am going for the weekend to Italy by train, and there is a possibility for me to buy a nice bike there.

If I come by train with the bike on the bikes compartment ( I am not sure it there is such a thing on the Cisalpino though ), would I get taxed or have to declare the bike ?

please halp !
I gather it is a second hand bike?
I don't know where you are coming from in Italy and your destination to in Switzerland get off the train in Como and ride it through the border and get back on in Chiasso.

If you really had a problem there is a house on the border near Chiasso.
The lounge is in Italy and the kitchen in Switzerland.
The family charge 1% "family tax" to bring stuff through their house. The house must be priceless.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 24.08.2010, 21:22
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,038
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,716 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

Quote:
View Post
I am going for the weekend to Italy by train, and there is a possibility for me to buy a nice bike there.

If I come by train with the bike on the bikes compartment ( I am not sure it there is such a thing on the Cisalpino though ), would I get taxed or have to declare the bike ?

please halp !
A) Buy the "Velo-Vignette" here in Switzerland BEFORE departing, and then place it onto your new bike
B) take some nice labels (airline, hotel, holiday resort) with you and decorate the new bike
C) most important, UNPACK the new bike and use if for a few kilometers in Italy.

By these steps it becomes "used personal belonging" and nobody can demand proof that you bought it in Switzerland.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Wollishofener for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 24.08.2010, 21:39
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,038
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,716 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

Quote:
View Post
the bike is not new so no Italian VAT

another option is to jump out of the train in Como and come to Lugano by bike and then take the normal train
You only have to get to Chiasso, as the train station of Chiasso is on CH territory !
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 24.08.2010, 21:59
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 8,209
Groaned at 105 Times in 80 Posts
Thanked 5,698 Times in 3,210 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

As suggested I would combine ride by train to Italy one way and hop over the border on the used bike to catch a local CH train with bike racks on the other side. Or even better be prepared for a few days trip by bike down to Zurich with more than one stop overnight in spectacular Alpine locations. Then you will be praised by fellow cyclists on the EF for such a feat as well
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 24.08.2010, 22:09
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 19,038
Groaned at 333 Times in 258 Posts
Thanked 11,716 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Bring a bike by train from Italy, would I get taxed ?

Quote:
View Post
As suggested I would combine ride by train to Italy one way and hop over the border on the used bike to catch a local CH train with bike racks on the other side. Or even better be prepared for a few days trip by bike down to Zurich with more than one stop overnight in spectacular Alpine locations. Then you will be praised by fellow cyclists on the EF for such a feat as well
Would YOU accompany him accross the San Gottardo ? True, I in much younger years, with two colleagues once biked to Basel, once alone to Brunnen on the Lake of Lucerne, and with two other colleagues to the Lake of Constance. No, if he has time, he might bike from Chiasso to Lugano, then from Lugano over Agno to Ponte Tresa, and from there back into Italy to Luino, and then by ship to the other side of the Lago Maggiore and up to Locarno .... and there onto the train northwards. Possibly not a fast train but a regional one with the chance to get out for dinner in a place like Biasca or Ambri-Piotta or Airolo, before taking a train through the San Gottardo to the North. Alternatively, take a fast train from Locarno to Luzern to have a nice dinner overthere.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Wollishofener for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
bike, customs, taxes




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
VAT refunds for purchases in Italy if travelling by train gsach Finance/banking/taxation 7 20.05.2011 15:34
Advice on flying with a bike and what bike to bring? Dusty Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness 4 24.06.2009 06:14


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 20:34.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0