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Yep - have tried that. Am at wits end. Maybe a wig would be a good solution.

I think I'll try the vinegar. Hey - I could rinse only 1/2 of my head to see if there's a difference.
noooooo, not the vinegar, try the beer!!!
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Old 22.09.2010, 17:52
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so thats why my hair has started falling out since i moved here!
Or, haven't you gotten yerself a wench?

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My shampoo and conditioner are from the Kérastase Nutritive line, Bain Satin and Nutridéfense. Maybe I need to change it?
When I used Kerastesse, I absolutely loved it, but it was in soft water, so I don't know..

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well then I don't think its the water ... what about, oh now I can't think of the word in English, you know that stuff one uses to make the dough rise, yes that, isn't that also something hair likes? or beer, a lovely nice beer rinse ... some beer on the head and some beer into the mouth ...
It's true, beer is used back home as conditioning thing, even in hair salons, etc. Great post, btw. (yeast?)

Vinegar in tiny amounts, I use 2tsp of that Klorane vinegar rinse, it is very mild. I think they do also vinegar rinse for darker hair, but not sure. It does not smell that bad.
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Old 22.09.2010, 17:53
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Re: hard water hair woes?

I've heard about beer on hair before too, but gosh it seems an awful waste to pour a nice beer over your own head.

Maybe I could spare that last bit at the bottom of a weiss beer for my hair...
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Old 22.09.2010, 17:58
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I've heard about beer on hair before too, but gosh it seems an awful waste to pour a nice beer over your own head.

Maybe I could spare that last bit at the bottom of a weiss beer for my hair...
Erm, gota say I prefer having my head smell like vinegar to old beer. Just think about all the attention you would attract with your beer mane.
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Old 22.09.2010, 18:00
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Erm, gota say I prefer having my head smell like vinegar to old beer. Just think about all the attention you would attract with your beer mane.
Yeah, I just read that you're supposed to boil it too to remove the alcohol, which would dry hair out. Going to try the diluted vinegar first and maybe drink a beer after.
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Old 22.09.2010, 18:01
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I've heard about beer on hair before too, but gosh it seems an awful waste to pour a nice beer over your own head.

Maybe I could spare that last bit at the bottom of a weiss beer for my hair...
its the yeast, ha I found the word, the yeast is good for the hair. you can eat that in powder form or tablets ... well its some grandma thing anyway you know!!!
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Old 22.09.2010, 18:05
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its the yeast, ha I found the word, the yeast is good for the hair. you can eat that in powder form or tablets ... well its some grandma thing anyway you know!!!
We have beer yeast tablets sold back home (manufactured in brewery), the best source of Vitamins Bs, I am sure one can find it here, too. Just the burps afterwards, omg. Sorry...
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We have beer yeast tablets sold back home (manufactured in brewery), the best source of Vitamins Bs, I am sure one can find it here, too. Just the burps afterwards, omg. Sorry...
the burps??? that is what makes folks burp when they drink beer, the yeast??? whoa ... never thought of that. Is that true at all?
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Re: hard water hair woes?

I thought it was vinegar for dark hair, lemon juice for light.

YOu could try one of these purifiying shampoos and conditioners - I think Pantene has just brought out a line - supposed to thoroughly wash your hair.

My regular shampoo and conditioner are Garnier - it's fairly inexpensive and works really well on my hair. It's in the dark green bottles and I think it's for damaged, dry hair. But I really like the conditioner, especially. When I dry my hair naturally, it still looks nice.

If you think that's too chemical, then you might look at l'occitaine - there are some shampoos and conditioners for damaged and stressed hair, there's also a hair masque, etc.

In terms of nutrition, you should make sure you have enough B vitamins. I was never a big advocate of this stuff, but I have a friend who's a doctor and she suggested B12 for something else, and my hair has really improved since I've started to take it regularly. My nails are stronger too.
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the burps??? that is what makes folks burp when they drink beer, the yeast??? whoa ... never thought of that. Is that true at all?
The fizziness, the tablets are evil (they are healthy, though, too...). Sorry for a detour, oops..back to hair. I had a hair mask from Yves Rocher, called Oil de tahiti, or something, worked really well. Logn hair is really fussy for masks and build ups, but using that Pantene clearing shampoo once a month actually did work for me, too (eventhough it is rather chemical). I love the smell of Occitane hair and bath products, the new line with essential oils, yum, very mild.
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its the yeast, ha I found the word, the yeast is good for the hair. you can eat that in powder form or tablets ... well its some grandma thing anyway you know!!!
Does it work if I just drink the beers?

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We have beer yeast tablets sold back home (manufactured in brewery), the best source of Vitamins Bs, I am sure one can find it here, too. Just the burps afterwards, omg. Sorry...
I take a B supplement each morning. Is it the B vitamins in the beer that are good for hair?

I also take selenium and zinc on the advice of my doctor. Supposed to help with my thyroid med absorption or something.
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Old 22.09.2010, 18:41
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Re: hard water hair woes?

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My regular shampoo and conditioner are Garnier - it's fairly inexpensive and works really well on my hair. It's in the dark green bottles and I think it's for damaged, dry hair. But I really like the conditioner, especially. When I dry my hair naturally, it still looks nice.

If you think that's too chemical, then you might look at l'occitaine - there are some shampoos and conditioners for damaged and stressed hair, there's also a hair masque, etc.

In terms of nutrition, you should make sure you have enough B vitamins. I was never a big advocate of this stuff, but I have a friend who's a doctor and she suggested B12 for something else, and my hair has really improved since I've started to take it regularly. My nails are stronger too.
I used to use Garnier - actually I still do use a leave in conditioner that they make. Maybe I should try them again. I like the l'occitane suggestion too - love their stuff.
I'm already taking a B supplement, so I'm on course there.

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The fizziness, the tablets are evil (they are healthy, though, too...). Sorry for a detour, oops..back to hair. I had a hair mask from Yves Rocher, called Oil de tahiti, or something, worked really well. Logn hair is really fussy for masks and build ups, but using that Pantene clearing shampoo once a month actually did work for me, too (eventhough it is rather chemical). I love the smell of Occitane hair and bath products, the new line with essential oils, yum, very mild.
I see a trip to Occitane at Chavannes in my near future...
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If you find this doesn't work and end up with my hair I can lend you some polish and a soft duster ( i have spares)
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Thinking of it, vinegar only will work well if the hard water is the only problem. A monoi-soin des cheveux or what ever they call it in english now, you know with good fat in it, may be necessary.
The tahiti thingie is called monoi, isn't it? Phonetically, it is either that or very close.
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Thinking of it, vinegar only will work well if the hard water is the only problem. A monoi-soin des cheveux or what ever they call it in english now, you know with good fat in it, may be necessary.
The tahiti thingie is called monoi, isn't it? Phonetically, it is either that or very close.
Yes, that's it! It smells soooooo good. Beachy. I go for both, greesy oil hair mask, then next wash it is vinegar rinse.

It's true there is a school believing in no shampooing your hair, I mean, I think they are really right. But who wants to smell like an old gobline? You can only mask that smell with ylangylang, sandalwood or lavender, and honestly, that's so 90s... I think women (and men) need to have their mane smell nicely, perks up the mood, have people tilt your direction on the bus Aromatherapy, big time.

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Does it work if I just drink the beers?
I am so sure of it. Although I am not sure what it would do with your meds absorption...?
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Re: hard water hair woes?

OK, I used the vineager and all that stuff even in London. It did make my hair softer. But are you sure it is just from the water in Switzerland. I have been living here 44 years and did have a problem with my hair, or actually my scalp. It wasn't the water, I had a real sort of scalp infection which came from the fact that I was using the wrong shampoo and washing my hair too often with it.

I went to the doctor and he gave me a special medicinal shampoo as it was really bad. It improved, but still came back. It was then that my hairdresser gave me the best tip, although not always possible.

Go out in the sunshine, it sort of kills the bacteria you are getting, and it works. My hair and scalp improved. Even in winter it is now ok. This might not be your problem, but I grew up with hard water in London and the Swiss water isn't much different.
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Similar thread with some alternatives here

Every so often I feel that shampoo isn't really getting the hair clean so use a bar of soap (Cussons Imperial Leather white) and it makes a huge difference - hair feels much cleaner.

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Oh and what about eggs? I thought eggs had some benefical effects on one's dry hair also and avocados?

In fact most of those products we eat are good for the external use of the body also.
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Re: hard water hair woes?

[QUOTEHey, is this solution of 3% boric acid? We normally use it to clean baby's skin, had it prepared here in the pharmacy and it was done 10fr a tiny bottle (10mil), we had to have a minimum order of 10 bottles. When it is 1fr back home for 30mil. Cwazy. I hope it is not the same thing
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Borage oil (Borage officilianils), or Starflower oil is extracted from the seeds of the starflower plant (borretch oil) und is rich in GLA and, as previously stated, really does wonders on dry skin.

Nothing to do with boric acid.
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I had heard of the vinegar rinse, but dread the smell. I use vinegar in my laundry for softener and add essential oils to it to make the smell nice. Think that would be ok for the hair rinse too?

I have long hair - this is going to be a lot of vinegar. Can I cut it down with distilled water?
So no matter what part of Switzerland you´re at - you´re doomed..
I have the exact same problem, recently started using John Frieda conditioner, helps a little, but still not 100% satisfied.
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