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Australia v Switzerland

This thread is on a similar vein to the Canada v Switzerland thread. Im Australian lived on the beach almost my whole life and Im planning on moving to Switzerland for work. Ill be living in Lausanne with my GF (who is swiss) but for how long I haven't really decided.

I know the climate is some what better in Aus with the perpetual sunshine and the beaches etc however I've seen that my whole life and lately Ive been living in the UK so Ive become accustomed to the cooler weather. Something I have noticed in Switzerland is when I visit my GF in Schaffhausen I read the 20 minuten (well I try to) and it seems in the dating pages all the singles want to go to Australia, It cant be that much better? On my visits around CH most people seemed real nice and the food and scenery rivaled Australia however based on some of the posts Ive read some users on this forum would rather be somewhere else (which wories me). My experiences in CH so far would be comparable to someone who has visited Australia, generally all positive. But visiting and living are2 different things so for anyone who has lived in both places can I trouble you for an opinion?
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Re: Australia v Switzerland

Someone once said "In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One eyed man is King"

So, If I was a half educated , tan seeking, status craving Swissy, Australia would be very appealing, however having spent some time over there myself, Switzerland has a slighly elevated view on life that I find more appealing than Melbourne or Sydney... On the other hand, when the simple things in life that Australia does so well, get boring , then Switzerland would prove quite a challenge to some down-unders...
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This thread is on a similar vein to the Canada v Switzerland thread. Im Australian lived on the beach almost my whole life and Im planning on moving to Switzerland for work. Ill be living in Lausanne with my GF (who is swiss) but for how long I haven't really decided.

I know the climate is some what better in Aus with the perpetual sunshine and the beaches etc however I've seen that my whole life and lately Ive been living in the UK so Ive become accustomed to the cooler weather. Something I have noticed in Switzerland is when I visit my GF in Schaffhausen I read the 20 minuten (well I try to) and it seems in the dating pages all the singles want to go to Australia, It cant be that much better? On my visits around CH most people seemed real nice and the food and scenery rivaled Australia however based on some of the posts Ive read some users on this forum would rather be somewhere else (which wories me). My experiences in CH so far would be comparable to someone who has visited Australia, generally all positive. But visiting and living are2 different things so for anyone who has lived in both places can I trouble you for an opinion?

No, it's all good.

You have a Swiss Miss, so at least you've got a leg in the door.

Personally, I'm also from the coast in Australia (Sunshine Coast - Bundy) so this was all new for me as well.

You will notice the following:

a. First month - AWESOME !!!
b. Months 2-6 are up and down like a whores drawers
c. months 6-12, all that coughing and gurgling the Swiss make starts to form words you can understand(ish).
d. Haven't cracked the 2 year mark yet, but so far so good.

I've noticed stacks of Aussies over here lately, so you should be pretty right.



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But visiting and living are2 different things so for anyone who has lived in both places can I trouble you for an opinion?
my 2 bob worth... and don't get me wrong.. love oz, grew up there till my late 20's ... and even though love going back every couple of yrs, being central with loads of more travelling options has been the best option for moi !!
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Re: Australia v Switzerland

This thread really interests me. I find myself on the exactly opposite situation, cos I'm moving to Australia but I should decide between staying there or moving to Lausanne later on :/ but while I have never been to Australia yet, I do know Switzerland, and I guess my troubles to make a proper decision come from that point, cos believe me, contrary to the picture you might have in your mind after having read this forum, I consider Switzerland to be the best country in Europe by a wide margin, everything in the country is just perfect, except from the weather (but yet again, it could also be much worse compared to other Euro countries) and Swissgerman (and that shouldn't be a problem for you), and in my humble opinion which obviously won't be shared by everyone, the best two cities in this little marvellous country are both Zürich and Lausanne, so if you are moving to Lausanne, I'm sure you will enjoy it!
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Re: Australia v Switzerland

It al depends on your prsonel circumstances, relationship, job, health, wealth and if you like skiing or prefer diving, surfing, etc.
In my opinion Australia offers a lot more options for the normal income earners than for people in switzerland. But there is also a difference if you compare living in the awfull suburbs around Sydney or Brisbane to Perth or smaler cities. Also it is different if you compare lifestyle in the area of Zürich, St Gallen to Delemont or Brig.

Also overal Income tax and cost of living in Switzerland is much higher
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This thread really interests me. I find myself on the exactly opposite situation, cos I'm moving to Australia but I should decide between staying there or moving to Lausanne later on :/ but while I have never been to Australia yet, I do know Switzerland, and I guess my troubles to make a proper decision come from that point, cos believe me, contrary to the picture you might have in your mind after having read this forum, I consider Switzerland to be the best country in Europe by a wide margin, everything in the country is just perfect, except from the weather (but yet again, it could also be much worse compared to other Euro countries) and Swissgerman (and that shouldn't be a problem for you), and in my humble opinion which obviously won't be shared by everyone, the best two cities in this little marvellous country are both Zürich and Lausanne, so if you are moving to Lausanne, I'm sure you will enjoy it!
Then it's likely that you will get the exact same but opposite experience to us.

When I moved here, I called Switzerland "Opposite World", not for its antipodal positioning, but absolutely everything about living was different.

It's kinda cool at the start, but it gets frustrating as hell when you are on your own.

I hope you have a great time in Oz as well, but if you're not, keep us in mind.... take a moment, sit back, and just realise that things are just different. Focus on what exactly it is that you don't like, you work out how to get around the problem, and things start to click into place.

Anyway, best of luck to both of you settling into the new respective countries.

(I still love Australia more, but I appreciate everything that Switzerland has and why it is the way it is).
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Re: Australia v Switzerland

We moved to Lausanne a year ago from Manly in Sydney.

Things most certainly are different! Some good. Some annoying. But overall the move here has been for the best.

One of the biggest things i was not prepared for was the change in population. Sydney has 4.2 million. Lausanne has 140'000. And the city definitely feels tiny at times. However you have the benefits of living in the middle of Europe so travel to other cities is very easy. My husband and I have an arrangement where I get my sanity saving 'fix' (for both of us ) once a month in Paris, Milan, London etc

I also was not prepared for the cold and dreary weather. I thoroughly recommend finding a sun bed salon and topping up that vitamin D to avoid depression. Unless you love the cold and snow. Then this place will be heaven

Things are a lot stricter here and initially what feel like arbitrary laws and mountains of paperwork drive you insane. But we're getting used to them and respect the level of comfort they bring to all.

Switzerland is safer, has beautiful countryside and the quality of life is great. It's a great place to raise a family. Just be prepared for it all to be 'different'... and a lot more expensive to live.

The Swiss people are more reserved (strict?) but the more effort you put in the more you get out and we have met some lovely people here. And due to a couple of big multinationals in the area you get rather a large number of expats. Many willing to meet up for a beer and a chat.

I can't say that Switzerland is where I intend to spend the rest of my life (it doesn't look like my husbands job will allow us to remain here too much longer anyway ) and I desperately miss the cafe culture, city, sun, surf and sand but Switzerland is good in many other ways (eg I'm learning how to relax on Sundays )
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Re: Australia v Switzerland

Im actually from the sunshine coast myself as well, mooloolaba. I love it there but as Upthehatters2008 says the simple things like the beach and sun get a bit boring after 30 years, Ive been living however in London for almost 2 years so Im getting used to the grey days but at 8mill to 140000 I guess Im right in saying comparing London to Lausanne is like comparing dogs and mice. I will miss the surfing and diving so Ive kinda promised myself to go to Egypt and south France as often as possible however something that I have to ask aussies or anyone has have they gotten over the swiss food (a very important thing in my life). Living squashed between gemany france and italy I was thinking I could have my cake and eat it too!! Something else I noticed is that in London I havent been able to find a good Sushi restaurant.. back home U could easily count more sushi rails/trains than McDonald's in any larger centre and they most of them were good (unike here where people dont realise the difference between a chinese chef to a traditional Japanese master . What is the asian culinary scene like in CH and is there fish problems being land locked?
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Yes, Asian is expensive, sea food is expensive. But lake fish is fresh and... a little less expensive.
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Switzerland. We're all still here, right?
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Personally, I'm also from the coast in Australia (Sunshine Coast - Bundy)
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There are problems with seafood here, and it's not just the price.

Imagine a restaurant like fish on Parkyn parade, or either of the fisho's there......... It's not here.

In saying that, I have had good fish, but I cried when I had to pay for it. Cheaper to fly home.{exageration font}
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Switzerland. We're all still here, right?
this post keeps it in perspective. Well said.


Just don't think that you'll see Heidi holding hands with Julie Andrews bounding down a hill with a pale of fresh milk when you get here though.

Switzerland is a learning curve.

Once you've got it, it's awesome........ and as you'd expect, it's nothing like home.
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Re: Australia v Switzerland

It is a completly different world to Australia, know this clearly before you come and expect it to annoy you at times.
Values (family/community) here are similar to Australia but cultural interaction is the complete opposite. You will have a honeymoon period when you arrive, ie you won't understand that some quirky things at the start really piss you off after a while, some of these things really annoy the Swiss as well but they don't try to rock the boat and change them (even in their own circle of family/friends). A large degree of how you will survive here is dependant on your work/income, independence and ability to speak/learn the language.
More on culture based on my experiene and generalisations.
Swiss women are a lot more independant, stong willed and less easy going than their Aussie counterparts.
If you need help here ask for it and the Swiss will gladly give it, they will not offer it. Offer someone help here and they are slightly offened thinking that you think they can not do it by themselves, if they need help they will employ a specialist and happily pay for it.
It is a small country and mostly everyone respects everyone elses right to a small amount of very quiet, sacred space, this should not be intruded upon. This makes them appear cold arrogant and aloof, some are but mostly it is them respecting your space and not wanting to offend you by being direct(much to your annoyance at times)
Everything is a lot more expensive here, but you are generally paid well so the income/outgoings ratio is not a lot different (if you have a good salary in both countries) but be prepared to choke a few times at the prices of some things at the start (and don't complain on this forum about it!!) just suck it up and put it down to your new European experience, having said that you can save quite a bit on "normal Swiss prices" if you know how and where to shop, this takes time but can be a fun process if you can laugh at yourself and a few of your early "bargains" (I have a few skeletons in my wine cellar to remind me!!)
Find and hold clearly in your head the posative things about Switzerland (and there are a lot but different ones to Australia)so when the honeymoon period ends you have something to draw upon when everything pisses you off (good relationship advice as well, the world has not changed only your view on it) this phase will pass as well and then you turn into a well mannered and travelled, cynical and sarcastic expat in Switzerland, like all of us here on the forum!!
Sidenote - this forum has been my saving grace here, to read some of the posts (either laughing my ass off or crying my eyes out) and learn that I am not alone going through what I need to go through, it is all part of the "Swiss experience or experiment"
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Re: Australia v Switzerland

Have been reading this post and so far so good. My husband and I are from Hervey Bay in Aust and are in the process of moving to switzerland. Am intrigued to know how you lot did it for those who don't have EU passports.

And what the weather is really like. Is it cold and dreary or cold and sunny. Is it like Sydney winters where the sun is shining but you freeze your knockers off?

We are moving with our 2 dogs and also looking forward to the space. Given we have gone from Sydney of 4.2 million to hervey Bay which has about 70,000 people I think we will be ok with the change in population. We love that about Hervey Bay.

Also anyone know what the alternative life is life in Swiss ie spirtuality wise?

Thanks so much for the thread and I'm so looking forward to connecting with some Aussies when we come over.

Any requests for parcels - vegemite - tim tams?????
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Search the threads on Vegemite

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Vegemite- Take STACKS of Vegemite with you and tell nobody.

The location of Vegemite in Switzlerland is a heavily guarded secret.



Tim Tams- Once a favourite, pale in significance to Swiss chocolate. They become a cool novelty after a while.
HOT TIP: .... DON'T show the Swiss how you can bite the opposite corners off a Tim Tam and suck your coffee up through it.
Awesome trick when you were a kid, but they just find it disgusting.



Australia Day- There was an awesome Australia Day party at "Olivers Twist" in Neiderdorf Zurich.
I guarantee you that you will become sentimental about home by the time this celebration comes about.
Keep checking the EF posts for locations.
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Re: Australia v Switzerland

I'm Australian (Sydney) and have been here 3 years now. I love it and you'll love it too if you're prepared to throw yourself into it and be positive.

Right now I'm thinking of moving back to Australia to be closer to friends and family and actually I'm quite anxious about moving somewhere that now seems so foreign and remote to me. I wonder how I'll find it, and maybe I'll be running back to Switzerland after 6months!

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Re: Australia v Switzerland

Hi,

I'm from Melbourne and I've been here 5 years as a PhD student and 1 year with a real job. In comparison between here and back home I'd say the pro's and cons break down like this:

Pro:[LIST=1]
  • Clean, safe comfy place to live
  • High Salary, low taxes. That said, there's a few small taxes like Billag (google it), and the health insurance fees that nibble into it...but I prefer these things to be explicit. In short, a good place to be if you're getting paid well
  • Easy to live without a car / long commutes
  • Nice countryside and easy to travel to other parts of Europe
  • Very good career opportunities in certain fields like science, engineering and finance
Con:
  • Lots of things go according to a timetable. Nice for trains/trams, not so good for shopping times and when I am "allowed" to do my laundry
  • Locals can be a little less open / chatty / friendly than most places, at least initially. I speak pretty decent German but still...Fortunately there's a lot of expats around who are pretty good value
  • Not as much variety when it comes to restaurants, shopping etc
  • Someone mentioned Asian food? Available, but not as widespread. Sushi & Vietnamese food go from being cheap meals to be had at least once a week to something "special & fancy"
  • Sometimes a little too clean, comfy and safe. A little bit of chaos, spontaneity and creative destruction does a body good. Part of the joy of going to bigger cities nearby is to be in a place that doesn't feel like a theme park

That's about it for now. Like any part of the world it has its good points and its frustrations....
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Re: Australia v Switzerland

This thread is turning into a lil gem. I have been reading a lot of the other threads an one thing troubles me. This whole SVP political thing how in your face is it. Being partTorres straight islander I remember living in QLD in the late 90s when Pauline Hanson was at the peak of her political powers and some days I just felt like going postal.

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Some of my closest friends, the Fordham's are from HB

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The location of Vegemite in Switzlerland is a heavily guarded secret.



Tim Tams- Once a favourite, pale in significance to Swiss chocolate. They become a cool novelty after a while.
HOT TIP: .... DON'T show the Swiss how you can bite the opposite corners off a Tim Tam and suck your coffee up through it.
Awesome trick when you were a kid, but they just find it disgusting.
Call me Unaustralian but Vegemite makes me violently ill, couldnt agees with you more bout the swiss chocolate. Cadbury (which id English btw) have
nothing on them

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Sound of music was in Austria no? saw the Heidi holograph at Zurich airport... pretty girl but I was heavily scolded by my GF when I asked who the Heidi was and was made to go to Heidiland.

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If you need help here ask for it and the Swiss will gladly give it, they will not offer it.
Coudlnt agree with you more I had to drag my GF to Vietnam and around Asia before she would Try spring rolls pad thai, even Indian curries now that Ive taught her how to make sushi, she's more of a sushi connoisseur then me.. so she likes to think.

Understood is there such thing as lake calamari?
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