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View Poll Results: How do you like your daily life as a non-native Swiss in Switzerland?
Hate it. 20 6.78%
More -ve than +ve / Don't really like it. 50 16.95%
Neutral : no better or worse than elsewhere. 36 12.20%
More +ve than -ve / Quite like it here. 96 32.54%
Love it. 93 31.53%
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Old 05.10.2010, 13:13
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it?

The poll is now there - the way the forum works you have to submit the post before you can create the poll. I was checking I'd done it correctly - unlike the last time when I rushed it to avoid people saying where's the poll? .
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Old 05.10.2010, 13:19
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it?

Earlier I hated it, but now I love it. I'm feeling so flippant today.
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Old 05.10.2010, 14:56
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Well personally after 2 years I still love it here.
I reckon you are on immigrant stage 1
wait until you reach immigrant stage 2,3 or 5 and then come back and post your vote on this thread. kthx bye
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Old 05.10.2010, 14:59
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

I am not a prisoner here and can leave tomorrow if I want. After 21 years, I still love and have no intention of ever going back to the UK...
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Old 05.10.2010, 15:04
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)



Reggae always sums it up the best
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I reckon you are on immigrant stage 1
wait until you reach immigrant stage 2,3 or 5 and then come back and post your vote on this thread. kthx bye
thats ofc a very profond statement.
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

There are a lot of great things here, especially if one is integrated at work and the prospect of the old career is becoming a lot more possible..I don't think it is a boring place per se, one just has to work harder than in a more vibrant place to make it more exciting, but it might just be our conditions we created for ourselves. What I do feel like, sometimes, and it is pretty eery, I feel like a 35yr old person having a lifestyle of much older person pushed on, culturally: plateau, blend, moderate, uninventive, reasonable, over insured, controlled, uncreative..A lot of people invest themselves if they see their investment returning, it seems to be the thing to do. I can't really speculate so much.
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Old 05.10.2010, 15:51
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thats ofc a very profond statement.

this is short article about it I found on the internet. but this "immigration stages" subject is studied formally, I got lectures on it when I was doing international management courses on my MBA

http://www.lossesintranslation.com/s...mmigration.php

the way they teached to me was something like...

1. Honeymoon
2. Culture Shock
3. Disconnection
4. Settlement
5. Reverse Culture Shock
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I reckon you are on immigrant stage 1
wait until you reach immigrant stage 2,3 or 5 and then come back and post your vote on this thread. kthx bye
And from your constant bitter-toned posts regarding Switzerland it's obvious that you personally just couldn't find your place here, either with the culture or the women. Not everyone shares that problem. kthxbai.
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this is short article about it I found on the internet. but this "immigration stages" subject is studied formally, I got lectures on it when I was doing international management courses on my MBA

http://www.lossesintranslation.com/s...mmigration.php
Interesting article, thank you!

So... nice to finally be moving into stage 4...

I'd also be curious to see how people's happiness in Switzerland relates to their location. For example, the level of culture shock experienced by someone who lives and works in Zurich for an international company is likely to be very different to that experienced by someone living in Inner Schwyz, Uri or the back end of Luzern, working with the locals and having little contact with fellow foreigners.
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Old 05.10.2010, 16:03
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

Those stages don't seem to apply to Switzerland.

I would say:

1. Absolute shock and suffering
2. Adaptation
3. Acceptance and enjoyment
4. Too used to low taxes, high salaries, and high prices
5. Laziness = settlement
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Interesting article, thank you!

So... nice to finally be moving into stage 4...

I'd also be curious to see how people's happiness in Switzerland relates to their location. For example, the level of culture shock experienced by someone who lives and works in Zurich for an international company is likely to be very different to that experienced by someone living in Inner Schwyz, Uri or the back end of Luzern, working with the locals and having little contact with fellow foreigners.
Also some of use had to undergo the process twice...

first in Geneva, now in Zürich
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

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Don't give in to the urge to criticize the new culture. Resist making snide jokes and comments which are intended to illustrate the stupidity of the "locals". Try not to associate with expats who do make them; they will only reinforce your unhappiness. Every local enclave has a number of people who have not been able to adjust to the new country and who sit around waiting for the next plane of expat greenhorns to arrive so they can indoctrinate them on the "stupidity of the locals". Avoid these people - their maladjusted coping mechanisms can only aggravate any culture shock you are going to experience.
That sounds familiar...
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

I guess I would have left sometime in the last 20 odd years if I didn't like it here
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

I have a hard time telling if it's the country or me. I have an OK lifestyle here that I didn't have in London but I suspect it might be more to do with me and the girlfriend and the general stage of life than the place I happen to be in. Confused.
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

In reponse to some of my other stronger posts, what some people don't get on this forum is that someone can dislike a place and still enjoy it by being aggressive and open. But this doesn't mean it's a place that they would pick if given free choice and it's not a place they will stay at.

And as economisto says, depends on your stage in life and your lifestyle. For a quiet settled life, it is definitely one of the better places in the world. Especially compared to the UK. Which brings me to the final point, it depends where you came from. CH is no big deal compared to Canada, except for the tax rate.

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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

I've loved the last 6 years here in Switzerland, but I'm getting the feeling it's time to move back 'home'. No rancor or unhappiness--it's been a great experience.
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

Given the option of the UK or here, then I would be staying put. There is a big wide world out there folks and as hard as it may sound for many of you there are other alternatives if you do find yourself unhappy here but dread the thought of going back to Blighty.
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Lucky you..
It will be another year for me before I can say Good riddance Schewiz.
Just as well as far as the spelling goes haha
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i have a love/hate relationship with it. some things good, others bad.
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I have a hard time telling if it's the country or me. I have an OK lifestyle here that I didn't have in London but I suspect it might be more to do with me and the girlfriend and the general stage of life than the place I happen to be in. Confused.
Sometimes I hate it and sometimes I love it. I used to hate it a lot more but not so much any more, it's really due to where I'm at in my life right now.
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