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View Poll Results: How do you like your daily life as a non-native Swiss in Switzerland?
Hate it. 20 6.78%
More -ve than +ve / Don't really like it. 50 16.95%
Neutral : no better or worse than elsewhere. 36 12.20%
More +ve than -ve / Quite like it here. 96 32.54%
Love it. 93 31.53%
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

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You've never been to Scandinavia, Corsica, or Trieste, have you?

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I take a myopic and American view as to what constitutes "western Europe".



but yes, the expense is the number 2 reason we have not visited Sweden or Norway.
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

Working here is great. Better than other countries I've tried. Very relaxed friendly and international atmosphere. And of course pretty great pay, though that is very much secondary in priorities for me.
Living here... I don't get it. Always run into people who actively choose to be here despite a rubbish or even no job. I've encountered such people in other countries, somewhat been one myself even, but... Here?
It's like doing your time on the rigs. Only, you know, a bit more white collar.
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You've never been to Scandinavia, Corsica, or Trieste, have you?

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You mean Trieste in Italy? The cost of living in Trieste is about 40-60% lower than in Basel. First hand experience, I lived in both cities.
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Old 27.05.2015, 16:47
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

I lived in several countries, definitely Switzerland tops the list for quality of Life. Nature is beautiful all year around, services work perfectly, almost nothing is perfect, no underground, no rush hours.....of course a "Gruezi" would charm any Swiss in the world, just dont expect them all to speak to you in your native language. It is not your country, but theirs!
So learn some Swiss and enjoy their local culture and food and you will feel at ease....
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You mean Trieste in Italy? The cost of living in Trieste is about 40-60% lower than in Basel. First hand experience, I lived in both cities.
We find it as expensive as Ticino, but as long as we still have a house there (inherited), we have to go there.

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the most difficult country in western Europe for a foreign, white, Anglo-Saxon, protestant male to move to and live in.
maybe it would have been a lot easier if you'd moved to a Protestant canton- rather than a Catholic one

Mind you, things have changed a lot in Neuchâtel since I was a kid. In the 50s it was almost totally Protestant, apart from a few Jura immigrants (like my father's family). It was acutally very difficult to be a Catholic here in those days- and when my parents fell in love, my mother a Protestant divorcee with a child, from a very bourgeois family, and my father from an artisan family from the Jura- it caused a real fracas, in the mid 1940s! Then came the Italians, the Spanish and Portuguese, and now the area is about 50/50- and the cultural and religious diversity is very rich and mixed.
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I lived in several countries, definitely Switzerland tops the list for quality of Life. Nature is beautiful all year around, services work perfectly, almost nothing is perfect, no underground, no rush hours.....of course a "Gruezi" would charm any Swiss in the world, just dont expect them all to speak to you in your native language. It is not your country, but theirs!
So learn some Swiss and enjoy their local culture and food and you will feel at ease....
Tell me where I can learn some Swiss please?
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

I believe that in terms of work and career opportunities, Switzerland is probably one of if not the best country in the world. In terms of the fun factor, there are certainly better options, but somehow it's hard to find a country that combines the two
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I believe that in terms of work and career opportunities, Switzerland is probably one of if not the best country in the world.
for a select few jobs and industries only
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for a select few jobs and industries only
Only a select few jobs and industries? Can you give a few examples where CH ranks so poorly?
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I believe that in terms of work and career opportunities, Switzerland is probably one of if not the best country in the world. In terms of the fun factor, there are certainly better options, but somehow it's hard to find a country that combines the two
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Only a select few jobs and industries? Can you give a few examples where CH ranks so poorly?
I think you made the initial assertion that Switzerland was the best country in the world for career opportunities and work so I think you should back it up. It definitely has good opportunities for foreigners for pharma, finance, some medical and IT but what else? Plus if you don't speak German and other languages you're going to struggle.
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

The eagerness to generalize and stereotype on either side of the like/dislike spectrum is uncanny. Right now I am loving French foie gras with English marmite on a piece of whole wheat German toast, in my Swiss kitchen. Half full, right? But definitely not easy, at least not for me, in some other aspects, nor for many other people.
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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

(without sounding like as*hole, please let me say this....)
Who cares what people think....about anything, really. So a guy doesn't like oranges, I think he should: 1) stop eating oranges 2) find another fruit to eat and 3) don't rag on people who like oranges.
That rule fits almost anything, people, places and things (and fruit...hehe)

After 49 years on this planet, I have leaned that haters will always be haters, misery LOVES company and O.P.O.'s (other peoples opinions) are way too highly regarded as "valuable".(especially mine....)
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i groaned because its a dumb useless little post that necroes a thread of several years old. since its his first post it seems like he has made an account for the sole purpose of complaining in the lamest way possible about how shitty his time here was.
You seem to be mad...
I've been reading this forum for a longtime during my stay in Swiss territory, and always wanted to reply. Now i finally did even for this stupid post, (that actually was supposed to be longer), i wanted to share my experience but wasn't sure...
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It definitely has good opportunities for foreigners for pharma, finance, some medical and IT but what else?
Engineering, hospitality, prostitution, sales, etc.

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if you don't speak German and other languages you're going to struggle.
True of any foreign (to you) country.

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Re: Switzerland: Love it or Hate it? (version 2)

I left the country, and i'm never coming back, i'm not complaining i'm answering the question of this post. And i take the time to answer to this post, cause i want to.
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it is without question, however, the most difficult country in western Europe for a foreign, white, Anglo-Saxon, protestant male to move to and live in. I suspect it is even more difficult for an individual who does not fit into any one of the aforementioned categories.
It's a southern peasant paradise (note that I didn't say farmer). With that in mind I get along. Somewhat.

And it's definitely overrated.

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3. it is horribly nationalistic. this can also be a huge plus (no flag jokes intended), of course, but it can be rather overbearing for a foreigner. even an American foreigner.

5. anti-foreigner sentiment is open, public and unapologetic. yes, the same sentiments (and worse) exist elsewhere in western Europe, but it is much less public and much less well-received in the media and on the street.
To you Switzerland must be like the Texas of the United States of Europe Get yourself a belt with Switzerland on the metal buckle to blend in.

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Tell me where I can learn some Swiss please?
Migros Schule, I think. Brain damage not refundable. (Only advisable if you already speak High German).
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Why groan the guy- he hated it- that's fine- Switzerland (hmm no country) is for everyone... I would have groaned perhaps had he made sweeping comments about the people- as I truly believe there is good and bad and in-between everywhere. I cannot fathom how anyone could find such a beautiful country totally boring- but that's his problem- glad he (or she) found total and absolute happiness elsewhere Now, where is that stranger? How come you've dragged yourself here to tell us about it now? Never been a member here and it is your first post?! What on earth is the point of that?
I posted that very brief post, because actually these 3,5 years in Switzerland were kind of traumatizing for me. Just wanted to share my impression. It was hard to meet interresting people, everything was way too expensive, i lived in a shithole town, I absolutely didn't feel welcolmed. Sometimes people were even racist (against europeans) and really not open-mind. Most people i've met were individualistic, cold, arrogant, polite but not friendly. I still have a hard time understanding swiss sense of humor. The parties and events were pretty boring too, nothing was spontaneous.
I really didn't expect so many cultural differences and so much boredom coming from a european country.
I understand the many things there is to like about Switzerland, like the beautifull nature and landscape, the high quality of life, and job opportunities, but these were not my priorities.

Don't get mad and tell me "To go back to my country" (that's a racist comment confirming my experience), cause if one day you leave your country and become an expat, you'll realize that sometimes you just can't.
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The eagerness to generalize and stereotype on either side of the like/dislike spectrum is uncanny necessary.
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It's a southern peasant paradise (note that I didn't say farmer). With that in mind I get along. Somewhat.

And it's definitely overrated.
Yeah, sure, I miss having an underclass as a source of cheap labor for things like gardening, housecleaning, laundry, chopping vegetables, and things like that. I have to do it all myself. And the Swiss farmers, with all the land they are sitting on, are not peasants but freakin millionaires.

But I would trade all that in any day of the week for low crime rates, an infrastructure that runs properly, managed by a society that functions remarkably well.
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