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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

Fair enough, you're right..

I was kind of imagining he had a degree in CS, and 6 years of software engineering experience, or better...

I dont think the business matters *that much*
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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

hi Jakobo,

to quickly and easliy answer your question, yes 100k is a good salary especially for a single person, you will be able to save and have a good time partying.

as for Zurich, i have Spanish speaking friends that have a great time here and really enjoy the lakes and rivers, swimming in summer and generally partying outside and also the mountains for skiing and snowboarding in the winter. They think Zurich is a wicked city to party, you just need to know where


anyway good luck with your decision.
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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

I dont know Zurich that well, but I know the Suisse Romande (Geneva, Lausanne) and it really sucks compared to Dublin.

In Dublin you can just walk our on the street and the ambiance and party life is very inviting.. its all around you.. you dont have to go looking for a cool bar, or know the "secret" spots.. like in Geneva.

Its a big factor to consider, if I was a single guy living in Geneva, I think I'd go crazy.
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Why???

We don't know what he does in IT. It is a fairly broad field, with plenty of areas of expertise. It could also massively depend on his business experience.
because the job was posted up to 130k. personally, i'd shoot for 140k and let them negotiate back down to their upper budget of 130k.
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I dont think the business matters *that much*
That's what all code monkeys say.
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I dont know Zurich that well, but I know the Suisse Romande (Geneva, Lausanne) and it really sucks compared to Dublin.

In Dublin you can just walk our on the street and the ambiance and party life is very inviting.. its all around you.. you dont have to go looking for a cool bar, or know the "secret" spots.. like in Geneva.

Its a big factor to consider, if I was a single guy living in Geneva, I think I'd go crazy.
But he's not moving to Geneva, he's talking about Zurich so it doesnt matter if Geneva sucks, Zurich rocks! (in my opinion)
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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

One thing that will be more expensive than Dublin is air travel. You won't find cheap Ryan Air or Aer Lingus deals to the rest of Europe here. On the other hand you can drive to neighbouring countries or ski slopes or take the train. You will find haircuts much more expensive, grocery shopping will be around the same, although you won't find a broad range of ready meals but then you can always eat "doner kebap" around the corner. Don't know about the price of beer as I don't drink but all in all economically you won't be worse off. The climate is definitely better than Dublin, cold winters but much longer summers and you can even take a dip in the lake which you can't find in many other urban cities. Public transport in Dublin does not even bear comparison to here. Quality of housing is much better; You will probably have to furnish your rented apartment but it is better than renting an apartment with filthy furniture in Dublin. So all in all, if you can adapt to the life style there is no reason why you shouldn't be better off here. The only thing missing would be the friendly Irish people. Here you won't find people speaking to you at the bus stops.
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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

Ireland, Dublin included, has gone to the dumps. Better off in Zurich.

Also, taxes in Dublin are 3x times what he would pay in Zurich. So that should also be taken into consideration.
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Ireland, Dublin included, has gone to the dumps. Better off in Zurich.

Also, taxes in Dublin are 3x times what he would pay in Zurich. So that should also be taken into consideration.

Oh yes you are right. He would be paying 43 percent above the 29K threshold (or is it 26900) including the income levy which would be much higher than the tax in Zurich even considering mandatory the health insurance payments.
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because the job was posted up to 130k. personally, i'd shoot for 140k and let them negotiate back down to their upper budget of 130k.
And they offered 100k - which would suggest 130k was top budget for the perfect person - but they think he is good enough and can develop into the role.
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And they offered 100k - which would suggest 130k was top budget for the perfect person - but they think he is good enough and can develop into the role.
that is the kind of female thinking which will lose you a 30% payrise.
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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

It's not unlikely that the salary went down because the OP is single without children. Often the top end of the range goes to those who are married with children. I'd push for CHF115K, but CHF110k might be the most.
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that is the kind of female thinking which will lose you a 30% payrise.
What does that mean????
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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

Hi, I'm Begga and I'm single too.
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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

Like a previous poster has already mentioned, I guess it depends on which field you are in. Are you a developer or support person. Which division of the bank are you going to work for? Investment banking would pay more than corporate banking. For a permanent perspective its not too bad but you could definately get considerably more if you came as a contractor (not sure if you specified that in your original post).

With regards to cost of living zurich is expensive. My average canteen meal is in the region of 20CHF and eating out and average of 30 to 50 is more your norm (including drinks). Accomodation can be notoriously difficult to get especially if yoru are here shorter term, the fall back option which is serviced appartments are exorbantly expensive. I pay 1800 for a one bed studio without a kitchen.

Beautiful and as pleasent as zurich is, unless you end up meeting a girl overhere after the novelty wears off, for a single guy the zurich social life can end up lacking someone. Don't get me wrong, for a swiss city you can beat nightlife in zurich, but for someone accustomed to the variety of a city such as dublin or london not so much.

I'd say its worth giving a try for about six month, but the chances are....after that you might be looking somewhere a bit more lively and cheaper!
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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

Hi OP, I think you have got many useful responses to your specific queries. However may I also point out some non-financial factors that can make Zurich more attractive: the proximity to mountains, opportunities for a variety of sports, public transport that works well...to name just a few.
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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

Thanks everyone for the replies.

I wrote previously a much longer post but I was logged out and I lost it !! I re-write so here it goes a summarized version.

Yes, it is clear to me now that even 100k is a very decent salary but I don't think it will match up with my expectations. You are right about taxes in Dublin but it is also true crisis is hitting hard here and prices are going down. My rent went down 20% for instance.
Dublin is indeed a good craic, and I like it here. But I am also excited about new opportunities and Zurich can be a good place. I lived in the past in Holland and Czech Republic. And in the end if you are lucky enough to get to know the right people then you will have a good craic even if the city itself doesnt have a good vibrant night life atmosphere.

The renting is what it worries me the most in a possible move to Zurich. It seems that if I want an apartment similar to the one I am currently live in, then it will be around 2000 CHF. A semi-new 1 bed apartment 40-60 sqm in the city center.

I didn't get the final offer form this job application, but when I asked for 120-140 they told me it was out of the range. I am in a specialist position and I have seen other offers for other jobs in the +120K range. My 100k question is to figure out what it would be my situation in a worst case scenario.
It is a tough call! I am putting many things in balance and the economic factor will make the difference. That's why I appreciate all the feedback and If I finally I get an agreement I surely come back here with plenty of questions.

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Re: Dublin 53k vs Zurich 100k?

Hi all,

I'm new to the forum but I have been reading the posts for a couple of months now as I went through several recruiting processes. I am currently looking at 2 potential offers: tech industry in dublin and financial sector in zurich.

I'm considering a lot of factors: industry, career development opportunities, work-life balance, cultural integration, etc. However, I am specifically looking for advice on the financials as I am looking to have a reasonable lifestyle AND save some money. By reasonable lifestyle I mean: good apartment to welcome friends for a visit and for dinner on weekends, comprehensive health insurance, going to Portugal 3 times a year, going out once a week for dinner, few to no clubs/bars/nightouts and little shopping. I'm in my 30s, single, no pets.

The dublin offer pays ~65k€ and zurich ~120k CHF. I've read the various posts on cost of living and taxes and I have looked at rent costs in both locations (quite high on both cities, factoring a potential 45min commute in zurich and no commute in dublin I get 1300€/month for a furnished apartment above ground level).

Given my lifestyle expectations, the crisis, taxes, etc... from a financial perspective, where do you think I would be better off?

Thank you in advance!!
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Hi all,

I'm new to the forum but I have been reading the posts for a couple of months now as I went through several recruiting processes. I am currently looking at 2 potential offers: tech industry in dublin and financial sector in zurich.

I'm considering a lot of factors: industry, career development opportunities, work-life balance, cultural integration, etc. However, I am specifically looking for advice on the financials as I am looking to have a reasonable lifestyle AND save some money. By reasonable lifestyle I mean: good apartment to welcome friends for a visit and for dinner on weekends, comprehensive health insurance, going to Portugal 3 times a year, going out once a week for dinner, few to no clubs/bars/nightouts and little shopping. I'm in my 30s, single, no pets.

The dublin offer pays ~65k€ and zurich ~120k CHF. I've read the various posts on cost of living and taxes and I have looked at rent costs in both locations (quite high on both cities, factoring a potential 45min commute in zurich and no commute in dublin I get 1300€/month for a furnished apartment above ground level).

Given my lifestyle expectations, the crisis, taxes, etc... from a financial perspective, where do you think I would be better off?

Thank you in advance!!
In Dublin, the positives are that the city has a really strong pulse to it
and is very lively. 65K sounds pretty good in Dublin although I haven't
lived there.

120K in Zürich is pretty decent. You do not have to live in the city
center because the public transport is so good. For an apartment
outside the city, you would probably pay about 1850 per month.

See www.homegate.ch for apartments.

Zürich offers a quality lifestyle with lots of skiing and hiking. The downside is that the city is not so lively.
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thanks for the bump. i found reading my own posts highly entertaining
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