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View Poll Results: Would you accept the employees' discount, even if you weren't an employee?
I would accept it without qualms. Why not? 64 52.03%
I would feel a little uncomfortable, but would not like to cause embarrassment. 23 18.70%
I would own up to not being an employee and refuse the discount. 36 29.27%
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Old 27.10.2010, 21:11
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More importantly than the resultant ethical and moral dilemmas, I went straight to the poll to find the "Sad Tw@t who saved a fortune on a brand new Goretex jacket.....
Fixed that for you.
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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

"Sad Tw@t who saved a fortune on a brand new Goretex jacket....."

......said the group of beautiful girls at the busstop as the suave young Englishman sauntered by.....
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"Sad Tw@t who saved a fortune on a brand new Goretex jacket....."

......said the group of beautiful girls at the busstop as the suave young Englishman sauntered by.....
Who cares what they think? I'm neither suave nor young, but I'll be warm and dry for the entire winter for a mere 45 CHF.

So long as they don't ask me what time the train is due...
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Old 27.10.2010, 21:24
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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

I went out with a lad, around the late 70's, just nudging 80's who wore an orange work-mans jacket, he called himself Divo.


Anyway the novelty wore off when I found out he wore matching vest and underpants and his real name was Nigel.

Maybe it's just a phase Dougal.
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Old 27.10.2010, 21:50
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Really? Is Brockihaus even a word in High German? News to me. I had always thought it was Brockenhaus. (and that itself was only used in Switzerland).
It in High German of course is Brockenhaus, and in dialect it is Brockehuus

Brockihaus is a construct in order to differ from the older establishment(s)
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Old 28.10.2010, 09:39
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The poor woman looked at the jacket, muttered something about ein Mitarbeiter and immediately rang in the discount. I quickly said, in my appalling "stressed" German (which tends to be significantly less fluent than my "drunk" German) "Nai, nai! Meine Jacke kommt aus de* Brockihaus".
Maybe she noticed you buy your clothes from 2nd hand shops and just figured you could use a discount on your coffee as well?

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She looked me up and down, tutted and had to faff around to remove the discount.
ie: "Man, this guy wouldn't know a good thing if it hit him in the head"
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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

Oh yes, I'm afraid they do
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Oh yes, I'm afraid they do
Here, you now return to the topic in the title. The answer to this is no and yes. No longer in the old sense. Which means that "noble" clothes do not necessarily make the man. The relative freedom of today is that you have to find your style, a style which fits your personality. For instance, if you are blonde and very "white-skinned" you should rather abstain from black clothes, if you are very dark, dark clothes can increase the "dark looks" while white clothes may make a contrast. If you decide for an elegant suit, dark tie, white shirt, then also the trousers should look elegant and not right out of a garbage can. Gym shoes with an elegant suit and tie etc look strange. Depending on your person, a mix of different colours can look good or ridiculous.
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So there I was at 7:20 this morning, trying to buy a coffee at the same place. The girl behind the counter asks if I'm with the SBB. I reply that I'm not, that the jacket came from a Brockihaus.

She chuckles and rings up the discount anyway.

It would seem that honesty is very easily confused with lighthearted banter at that time of the morning.

I tried, though. I tried.
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So there I was at 7:20 this morning, trying to buy a coffee at the same place. The girl behind the counter asks if I'm with the SBB. I reply that I'm not, that the jacket came from a Brockihaus.

She chuckles and rings up the discount anyway.

It would seem that honesty is very easily confused with lighthearted banter at that time of the morning.

I tried, though. I tried.
Good update!

Maybe she figured that if you need to buy your coats there, you deserve a discount too!
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It would seem that honesty is very easily confused with lighthearted banter at that time of the morning.

I tried, though. I tried.

Of course, the hard hat and wearing your rucksack to the front had nothing to do with it

BTW, I'd be very grateful if you could get one of those SBB tops for me...

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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

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So there I was at 7:20 this morning, trying to buy a coffee at the same place. The girl behind the counter asks if I'm with the SBB. I reply that I'm not, that the jacket came from a Brockihaus.

She chuckles and rings up the discount anyway.

It would seem that honesty is very easily confused with lighthearted banter at that time of the morning.

I tried, though. I tried.
It's all fun and games now. But when you are asked to fix the train and you refuse there will be a riot!
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I suppose I should confess to having told the truth. The poor woman looked at the jacket, muttered something about ein Mitarbeiter and immediately rang in the discount. I quickly said, in my appalling "stressed" German (which tends to be significantly less fluent than my "drunk" German) "Nai, nai! Meine Jacke kommt aus de* Brockihaus".

She looked me up and down, tutted and had to faff around to remove the discount. I felt thoroughly ashamed, even though I think I did the right thing.

Why is it that the right thing is so often the wrong thing to do?

*indeterminate definite article - comes in really handy every time one is obliged to speak German. Admit it... you all use it! Except those of you who speak French or Italian, of course...
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& complicated as well

Just pay the price & go.

Some years ago I bought a new bath in OBI

The price shown was 850 CHF
I checked with the salesman who said it should be 650 CHf
I got to the checkout & the lady said 140CHF
My wife who is Swiss and has a certain attitude said "oh no" it is 650CHF
The checkout lady who was also Swiss said "when I say it is 140CHF then it is 140CHF"
Myself I avoid confrontation & go with the flow.....
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It's all fun and games now. But when you are asked to fix the train and you refuse there will be a riot!
Just tell them you are off duty... Freiabend
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It's all fun and games now. But when you are asked to fix the train and you refuse there will be a riot!
Particularily so if a serious delay of 6 minutes and 20 seconds results out of such a complete failure !
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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

I'd be honest here. I would tell them in my broken German that I'm not an employee.
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Unfortunately the poll does not have the option I need:

4. Where do I get one of these magic jackets?
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4. Where do I get one of these magic jackets?
The Sally Army Brocki at Hardbrucke.

Just tell them I sent you.
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Old 11.12.2010, 12:24
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they make money on our back, so yes, I accept the discount happily ...
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Old 11.12.2010, 12:48
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Out of interest: why do SBB workers qualify for discounts? Do they need caffeine more than the average person? Do they earn less?
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