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View Poll Results: Would you accept the employees' discount, even if you weren't an employee?
I would accept it without qualms. Why not? 64 52.03%
I would feel a little uncomfortable, but would not like to cause embarrassment. 23 18.70%
I would own up to not being an employee and refuse the discount. 36 29.27%
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Old 26.10.2010, 20:30
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Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

I would like you to imagine, for a moment, that you are a cheapskate foreigner who likes a bargain when he can get one. Imagine that a little birdie (to whom drinks are still owed ) told you that brand new Goretex jackets were to be had for less than 50 CHF from a reputable source, the only problem being that said jackets are bright orange, with natty silver reflective strips, and are clearly marked with the logo of a well-loved national institution. Imagine, further, that you purchased one of these jackets and immediately found, to your amusement, that wherever you went you were mistaken for a representative of the aforementioned well-loved national institution: tram doors opened for you, cars stopped at crossings for you, requests for information directed at you... that kind of thing.

In these circumstances, if you found that you were given - without asking - an employees' discount when purchasing coffee and/or other items, would you admit that you weren't actually an employee of the aforementioned well-loved national institution at all?

Would you go for honesty and the irritation and embarassment that might follow, or would you keep your mouth shut and accept the favour with good grace?

In a nutshell: Good manners or a clear conscience?
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Old 26.10.2010, 20:32
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I would like you to imagine, for a moment, that you are a cheapskate foreigner who likes a bargain when he can get one. Imagine that a little birdie (to whom drinks are still owed ) told you that brand new Goretex jackets were to be had for less than 50 CHF from a reputable source, the only problem being that said jackets are bright orange, with natty silver reflective strips, and are clearly marked with the logo of a well-loved national institution. Imagine, further, that you purchased one of these jackets and immediately found, to your amusement, that wherever you went you were mistaken for a representative of the aforementioned well-loved national institution: tram doors opened for you, cars stopped at crossings for you, requests for information directed at you... that kind of thing.

In these circumstances, if you found that you were given - without asking - an employees' discount when purchasing coffee and/or other items, would you admit that you weren't actually an employee of the aforementioned well-loved national institution at all?

Would you go for honesty and the irritation and embarassment that might follow, or would you keep your mouth shut and accept the favour with good grace?

In a nutshell: Good manners or a clear conscience?
Good manners, unless it was somebody's last rolo. Now where's the poll?
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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

Is your German good enough to explain & answer all the inevitable questions if you tried to explain?
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Might be easier to keep schtum about it then.

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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

Its not as if the institution or those places giving you discount are going to go bankrupt because of that. Accept it and enjoy while it lasts.

BTW I am already looking forward to your follow-on thread about being busted.
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I would like you to imagine, for a moment, that you are a cheapskate foreigner who likes a bargain when he can get one. Imagine that a little birdie (to whom drinks are still owed ) told you that brand new Goretex jackets were to be had for less than 50 CHF from a reputable source, the only problem being that said jackets are bright orange, with natty silver reflective strips, and are clearly marked with the logo of a well-loved national institution. Imagine, further, that you purchased one of these jackets and immediately found, to your amusement, that wherever you went you were mistaken for a representative of the aforementioned well-loved national institution: tram doors opened for you, cars stopped at crossings for you, requests for information directed at you... that kind of thing.

In these circumstances, if you found that you were given - without asking - an employees' discount when purchasing coffee and/or other items, would you admit that you weren't actually an employee of the aforementioned well-loved national institution at all?

Would you go for honesty and the irritation and embarassment that might follow, or would you keep your mouth shut and accept the favour with good grace?

In a nutshell: Good manners or a clear conscience?
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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

I'd take every discount I could get -- after all, we've all paid the unavoidable and ubiquitous Swiss markup on every item we've bought here, so we're owed a discount .. right? Although dressing up in Day-Glo Brocky gear is a tough way to go about "earning" 30 Rp on a cup of coffee.

Could you let me know if it works on car and furniture purchases, too, please? If so, I believe we're roughly the same size ... give or take ...
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Being a typical Dutch guy: I would accept it.
The orange color makes it even more attractive
All other side-effects have a nice anecdotal advantage that you can use for many years.
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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

Manners maketh the man.

There in lies the answer to your dilemma.
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I had a sneaking suspicion they are giving discounts to each other when nobody is looking. That smacks of corruption.
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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

well if you started offering the jacket for rent so that others could benefit from aforementioned advantages then you could have an issue.
You are not impersonating, it's just that others assumed you were someone else. Does your boss think you're looking for another job?
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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

I'm more interested in getting a 50 CHF Goretex jacket. Where from?
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Old 26.10.2010, 21:19
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I had a sneaking suspicion they are giving discounts to each other when nobody is looking. That smacks of corruption.
It was all kosher: rang into the till and everything.

It's quite normal to get employee discounts with reciprocal agreements between organisations and companies - nothing corrupt about it at all.

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I'm more interested in getting a 50 CHF Goretex jacket. Where from?

Salvation Army, Hardbrucke, Zurich. Unfortunately, I got the last big one. Sorry about that...
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One benefit of being "made" to read every post in a religious thread ... top tips on sartorial splendour.

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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

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I would like you to imagine, for a moment, that you are a cheapskate foreigner who likes a bargain when he can get one. Imagine that a little birdie (to whom drinks are still owed ) told you that brand new Goretex jackets were to be had for less than 50 CHF from a reputable source, the only problem being that said jackets are bright orange, with natty silver reflective strips, and are clearly marked with the logo of a well-loved national institution. Imagine, further, that you purchased one of these jackets and immediately found, to your amusement, that wherever you went you were mistaken for a representative of the aforementioned well-loved national institution: tram doors opened for you, cars stopped at crossings for you, requests for information directed at you... that kind of thing.

In these circumstances, if you found that you were given - without asking - an employees' discount when purchasing coffee and/or other items, would you admit that you weren't actually an employee of the aforementioned well-loved national institution at all?

Would you go for honesty and the irritation and embarassment that might follow, or would you keep your mouth shut and accept the favour with good grace?

In a nutshell: Good manners or a clear conscience?
I don't need any imagination. That describes me perfectly

It would be very rude to refuse the offers of the Swiss shopkeepers. They are doing their best to comply with the regulations. I feel sure that they would be awfully offended if you did not accept their kind offers
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Re: Thorny ethical issue: Do clothes really make the man?

I suppose I should confess to having told the truth. The poor woman looked at the jacket, muttered something about ein Mitarbeiter and immediately rang in the discount. I quickly said, in my appalling "stressed" German (which tends to be significantly less fluent than my "drunk" German) "Nai, nai! Meine Jacke kommt aus de* Brockihaus".

She looked me up and down, tutted and had to faff around to remove the discount. I felt thoroughly ashamed, even though I think I did the right thing.

Why is it that the right thing is so often the wrong thing to do?

*indeterminate definite article - comes in really handy every time one is obliged to speak German. Admit it... you all use it! Except those of you who speak French or Italian, of course...
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A "sneaking suspicion" ?!?! You've never been to a ski resort, have you?
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