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Social Liberalism in Switzerland?

Hello everybody! New user here. To preface, I currently live in California, USA, and have been heavily entertaining the idea of immigrating to Switzerland once I graduate with my university degree (in economics, in case you're interested). So far, from the research I've done on the country, I like what I see. The culture and economic policies seem on par with with an environment that I'd like to inhabit.

one thing I haven't been able to find any information on is the degree of social freedom/liberalism in Switzerland. For example, what are the cultural attitudes toward homosexuality? Narcotics use? Prostitution? Censorship/obscenity? By American standards, I'm quite liberal, espousing the beliefs that homosexual marriage, narcotics, and public nudity should all be completely legal, while censorship should be banned. Are these beliefs accepted here? Would I feel at home in this society? I find that America on the whole is far too conservative for my liking, and I would like to find a nation that shares my beliefs.

Thank you for your time!
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I find that America on the whole is far too conservative for my liking, and I would like to find a nation that shares my beliefs.
Switzerland isn't likely to be it, I'm afraid.

Have you considered Finland?
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Switzerland isn't likely to be it, I'm afraid.

Have you considered Finland?
I haven't looked into Finland at all, no. The only things I know about it are that they're heavy drinkers and have far too many power metal bands .
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Re: Social Liberalism in Switzerland?

sounds like you are quite open minded then
sure switzerland would be perfect
no heavy drinkers here or metal bands
just a bunch of hypocrites who meet with the president of iran
and greet him and allow him to make hate speeches
oh and they make you sign a declaration you are not american when opening a bank account
otherwise it is paradise here
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Old 08.11.2010, 08:10
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no heavy drinkers here
Have you been to an EF event?

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just a bunch of hypocrites who meet with the president of iran
and greet him and allow him to make hate speeches
Yep, the right to freedom of speech is such a touchy one.

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oh and they make you sign a declaration you are not american when opening a bank account
You say that like it's a bad thing .
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sounds like you are quite open minded then
sure switzerland would be perfect
hm, out of 2 people replying to me, I already have 2 contradictory responses. I'm guessing this sort of thing varies by region?


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Hello everybody! New user here. To preface, I currently live in California, USA, and have been heavily entertaining the idea of immigrating to Switzerland once I graduate with my university degree (in economics, in case you're interested). So far, from the research I've done on the country, I like what I see. The culture and economic policies seem on par with with an environment that I'd like to inhabit.

one thing I haven't been able to find any information on is the degree of social freedom/liberalism in Switzerland. For example, what are the cultural attitudes toward homosexuality? Narcotics use? Prostitution? Censorship/obscenity? By American standards, I'm quite liberal, espousing the beliefs that homosexual marriage, narcotics, and public nudity should all be completely legal, while censorship should be banned. Are these beliefs accepted here? Would I feel at home in this society? I find that America on the whole is far too conservative for my liking, and I would like to find a nation that shares my beliefs.

Thank you for your time!
What about the Netherlands instead ?
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one thing I haven't been able to find any information on is the degree of social freedom/liberalism in Switzerland. For example, what are the cultural attitudes toward homosexuality? Narcotics use? Prostitution? Censorship/obscenity? By American standards, I'm quite liberal, espousing the beliefs that homosexual marriage, narcotics, and public nudity should all be completely legal, while censorship should be banned. Are these beliefs accepted here? Would I feel at home in this society? I find that America on the whole is far too conservative for my liking, and I would like to find a nation that shares my beliefs.
On paper you would find Switzerland scores pretty well on the issues you mention here. Gay marriage is possible (or at least some sort of official partnership...I'm not sure exactly what the law says). Certain drugs are close to tolerated, possession of others is generally not treated as harshly as in the US. Google naked hiking for that one (although I'm told that is now so yesterday) or look up the sauna thread on here. There is also minimal censorship.

Of course you might find people's private attitudes somewhat different.....
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Hello everybody! New user here. To preface, I currently live in California, USA, and have been heavily entertaining the idea of immigrating to Switzerland once I graduate with my university degree (in economics, in case you're interested). So far, from the research I've done on the country, I like what I see. The culture and economic policies seem on par with with an environment that I'd like to inhabit.

one thing I haven't been able to find any information on is the degree of social freedom/liberalism in Switzerland. For example, what are the cultural attitudes toward homosexuality? Narcotics use? Prostitution? Censorship/obscenity? By American standards, I'm quite liberal, espousing the beliefs that homosexual marriage, narcotics, and public nudity should all be completely legal, while censorship should be banned. Are these beliefs accepted here? Would I feel at home in this society? I find that America on the whole is far too conservative for my liking, and I would like to find a nation that shares my beliefs.

Thank you for your time!
Have you looked at the ways you *can* immigrate here? As you are American you are going to need a company to sponsor you, in which they will hold your B-permit (meaning you can't change jobs). Or you can become a student, in which case you can't work more than 15 hours a week and only after being here 6 months.

Opening a bank account isnt had as long as you have a B-permit in hand. 7 figures to deposit will help your case that you are a worthy client. Businesses can refuse anyone service without reason - they are not compelled to serve everyone. Stay away from Credit Suisse and UBS. CS is in the process of raising fees on retail clients between 576% and 660%. American clients bring with them significant baggage and they are no longer desired as retail customers, although private banking can be different.

As far as your socail liberalism goes, this is a very conservative place. I find it a lot like the US in that regard, except that the Swiss are far less tolerant of immigrants. There are currently posters all over the place advocating kicking out the "black sheep". Some call this extremely racist.

Your penchant for narcotics will probably get you banned from the Schengen area.
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sounds like you are quite open minded then
sure switzerland would be perfect
no heavy drinkers here or metal bands
just a bunch of hypocrites who meet with the president of iran
and greet him and allow him to make hate speeches
oh and they make you sign a declaration you are not american when opening a bank account
otherwise it is paradise here
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As you are American you are going to need a company to sponsor you, in which they will hold your B-permit (meaning you can't change jobs).
This is not correct. Employment mobility for B permit holders has been a right since 01.01.2008.
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hm, out of 2 people replying to me, I already have 2 contradictory responses. I'm guessing this sort of thing varies by region?

This could prove to be problematic.

Not by region but by person. CH has 7,5 mio inhabitants (incl some foreigners) and so 7,4 mio opinions (as babies do not yet have one)

And if you feel it is a problematic, go to the nearest Kantonalbank (Cantonal state bank) or the Migros Bank or the Coop Bank and there will not be a problem
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Hello everybody! New user here. To preface, I currently live in California, USA, and have been heavily entertaining the idea of immigrating to Switzerland once I graduate with my university degree (in economics, in case you're interested). So far, from the research I've done on the country, I like what I see. The culture and economic policies seem on par with with an environment that I'd like to inhabit.

one thing I haven't been able to find any information on is the degree of social freedom/liberalism in Switzerland. For example, what are the cultural attitudes toward homosexuality? Narcotics use? Prostitution? Censorship/obscenity? By American standards, I'm quite liberal, espousing the beliefs that homosexual marriage, narcotics, and public nudity should all be completely legal, while censorship should be banned. Are these beliefs accepted here? Would I feel at home in this society? I find that America on the whole is far too conservative for my liking, and I would like to find a nation that shares my beliefs.

Thank you for your time!
As a newcomer in Switzerland, I find the freedom and privacy of individuals are considered important here.
But discretion seems to be appreciated, people don't throw their "I think we should all be able to do wathever we want in public" in each other faces


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This is not correct. Employment mobility for B permit holders has been a right since 01.01.2008.
Are you sure that's the case for non-Schengen, non-EU workers?
At CS the company holds the permit for non-Schengen, non-EU workers and if they loose the job they loose the permit, unless they can find another co to re-sponser them.
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Re: Social Liberalism in Switzerland?

Come to think of it.. has Switzerland ever had a gay pride or some such event in the past?

Liberalism and Switzerland in the same sentence doesn´t seem quite right
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Come to think of it.. has Switzerland ever had a gay pride or some such event in the past?

Liberalism and Switzerland in the same sentence doesn´t seem quite right
In August there was the "Love Parade" in Zürich. That's the only one I can think of.
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Re: Social Liberalism in Switzerland?

Switzerland is a bit of a conundrum and hard to compare to the USA - or anywhere else.

Guy pride? Been to the annual street parade in the Zurich?
Prostitution? It's legal and the town of Zurich even has it's own 'nationalised' brothel.

Compared to the USA you will find the cities of Switzerland very liberal and free. But in the country old ideals and values still rule.

However, just I as a citizen of both Switzerland and the UK, cannot up sticks and move to California, so Californians cannot up sticks and move here...
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Come to think of it.. has Switzerland ever had a gay pride or some such event in the past?

Liberalism and Switzerland in the same sentence doesn´t seem quite right
Goodness, you haven't been here long have you ?

There's a huge annual festival.
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Switzerland is a bit of a conundrum and hard to compare to the USA - or anywhere else.

Guy pride? Been to the annual street parade in the Zurich?
Prostitution? It's legal and the town of Zurich even has it's own 'nationalised' brothel.

Compared to the USA you will find the cities of Switzerland very liberal and free. But in the country old ideals and values still rule...
"Guy pride"
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Goodness, you haven't been here long have you ?

There's a huge annual festival.
Too long if you ask me.. (two years)
Anyway, maybe I´ve missed it cos it´s not actually called a Gay Pride (and maybe beacuse I live in a village that is far off from civilization and any events what-so-ever
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