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Excluded from a lesson

My daughter (in post-secondary education) was excluded from a lesson recently, on the grounds that she didn't have her text book with her. This is the second time she's been excluded by this particular teacher. The first time was because she hadn't done the homework - which was because she'd been ill the day before and the homework hadn't been passed to her. (She was very upset - first the humiliation of being sent out, and second because although she doesn't like this teacher particularly, she does enjoy the subject and wants to learn).

Examination of the schools regulations says that a student may only be excluded from a lesson if they are being disruptive, or other serious issues. This is based on the BL Cantonal law that children cannot be denied an education.

My daughter has now raised a complaint on these grounds through her class teacher (i.e. the teacher responsible pastorally for her). If he can't resolve it, then it will be escalated.

I'm not posting this asking for advice, but just to make parents aware that your children do have some rights, and it's worth reading up on them. Also, that it's important to follow the right procedure - in this case first raise the issue through the class teacher. The desired outcome is that the teacher in question modifies his approach to his students.

My personal opinion, based on three years my other child spent being taught by this guy, is that he has little respect for any of his students, abuses his position of power, and is, essentially, an arse. But that's by the by...
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Old 01.10.2014, 11:59
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Re: Excluded from a lesson

At both my daughter's schools (secondary and Gymnasium) there are also councillors/mentors who are fellow student; this can also be a route for a complaint/mediation process if a student doesn't want to approach a staff member in the first instance.
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A friend has a 13 year old in the local school system (Pratteln, Basel). Last year 2013, the class were unhappy about their maths tuition and wrote a letter via their form/year teacher to the maths teacher. Result maths teacher changed.
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That's encouraging, Annie, and good to know! Thank you.
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Old 07.10.2014, 12:29
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My daughter (in post-secondary education) was excluded from a lesson recently, on the grounds that she didn't have her text book with her.
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The first time was because she hadn't done the homework
After nearly two decades in education, you think people change, but then you read about things such as this.

Would it really have been so disruptive for the textbook to be shared? Was the homework really that important that the student could not gain anything from the lesson without it?

I am sorry that this had to happen to your daughter. If it had happened to one of my tutees, I would not be amused.
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My daughter (in post-secondary education) was excluded from a lesson recently, on the grounds that she didn't have her text book with her. This is the second time she's been excluded by this particular teacher. The first time was because she hadn't done the homework - which was because she'd been ill the day before and the homework hadn't been passed to her. (She was very upset - first the humiliation of being sent out, and second because although she doesn't like this teacher particularly, she does enjoy the subject and wants to learn).

Examination of the schools regulations says that a student may only be excluded from a lesson if they are being disruptive, or other serious issues. This is based on the BL Cantonal law that children cannot be denied an education.

My daughter has now raised a complaint on these grounds through her class teacher (i.e. the teacher responsible pastorally for her). If he can't resolve it, then it will be escalated.

I'm not posting this asking for advice, but just to make parents aware that your children do have some rights, and it's worth reading up on them. Also, that it's important to follow the right procedure - in this case first raise the issue through the class teacher. The desired outcome is that the teacher in question modifies his approach to his students.

My personal opinion, based on three years my other child spent being taught by this guy, is that he has little respect for any of his students, abuses his position of power, and is, essentially, an arse. But that's by the by...

For this, as many of you already know, i would nail the bastard on the wall !

It's totaly uncalled for and hurts the child stupidly.

Tks for the heads up "NotAllthere" although that is difficult to determine from you moniker, seems like you know what is what.
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Re: Excluded from a lesson

The teacher sounds like some managers I have to work with.
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After nearly two decades in education, you think people change, but then you read about things such as this.

Would it really have been so disruptive for the textbook to be shared? Was the homework really that important that the student could not gain anything from the lesson without it?

I am sorry that this had to happen to your daughter. If it had happened to one of my tutees, I would not be amused.
My son's literature teacher made it very clear that he would exclude every student who has not read the required texts from the lesson because it would be unfair to those who did and the lazy ones would get all the information and knowledge for free.
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My son's literature teacher made it very clear that he would exclude every student who has not read the required texts from the lesson because it would be unfair to those who did and the lazy ones would get all the information and knowledge for free.
What? Free knowledge? Sounds terrible. What you want is for learning to be hard, that's the real aim.
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Students get excluded from PE if they do not have their kit- same thing really. The fact she likes or dislikes that teacher is surely irrelevant here.

3 words- from sublime to ridiculous.

In my day, you would not only be excluded but also have several detentions and a letter home. Perhaps even whacked on the fingers with the steel ruler- now that was definitely NOT good. The other extreme does not bode well either, sorry. She is in the 6th Form, not kindergarten- why did she not have her book with her? Check timetable night before, get relevant stuff ready, easy. Good preparation for the real world to come soon.
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Old 07.10.2014, 19:06
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It wasn't a math lesson, was it?
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Old 07.10.2014, 19:36
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What? Free knowledge? Sounds terrible. What you want is for learning to be hard, that's the real aim.
I think what he meant was that students need to know a text to be able to discuss it and those who don't read just take it from the others without having to invest the time to read. Otherwise everybody could skip the book reading part and go right into intepretion.
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My daughter has now raised a complaint on these grounds through her class teacher (i.e. the teacher responsible pastorally for her). If he can't resolve it, then it will be escalated.
Not a smart thing to do as the school year is still very long.
Your daughter should better learn how to cope with frustrated teachers as these are battles she can't win.
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Just do not know enough about the detail of this particular incident- as so often on EF, are presented with a one-sided story with little background info - but as the past parent of teenage girls, and a 6th Form specialist teacher- I know that kids are brilliant at divide and rule- to protect themselves from their own inadequate or lazy behaviour- and as parents (and teachers) we don't always do them a favour by protecting them too much from the realities of life.

Nailing teachers to the wall- for excluding a student from a lesson for not having the correct equipment- is truly going to help, I'm sure.
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Old 07.10.2014, 20:02
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Re: Excluded from a lesson

I think having post-obligatory school expect professional attitude, students present themselves on time with their stuff and homework done, is not really such a bad thing for kids in the long run. She wasn't denied learning if some after hours extra time was arranged to compensate.
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Re: Excluded from a lesson

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Just do not know enough about the detail of this particular incident- as so often on EF, are presented with a one-sided story with little background info - but as the past parent of teenage girls, and a 6th Form specialist teacher- I know that kids are brilliant at divide and rule- to protect themselves from their own inadequate or lazy behaviour- and as parents (and teachers) we don't always do them a favour by protecting them too much from the realities of life.
Nor do we teach them good life lessons if they come to us, their parents, with a legitimate (because as a parent you would ask the questions to find out if this was defensive behaviour or a genuine complaint ..) grievance and we do not support them to learn to use the proper channels to attempt to get the issue resolved in a mature and considered manner .. Indeed that is the way you drive a young adult to use nefarious means to get their own way ..
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Re: Excluded from a lesson

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Students get excluded from PE if they do not have their kit- same thing really.
No, that's because you can't play football or go swimming in a blazer and tie. You can share a text book with a problem.


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No problem with discipline - detentions, double homework etc. We had these punishments and they did the trick. There's no excuse at all to have forgotten a text book - the kid was in the wrong and deserves punishment. But exclusion isn't that. Exclusion is free time without education. In fact it's almost the opposite of an opportunity to learn from a mistake - rather the punishment is ignorance.
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Who wears a blazer and tie at school in a Swiss Lycée

About punishment, I would agree in primary or secondary school- but we are talking about 6th Form/Lycée here.
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Re: Excluded from a lesson

When I was at uni a few years ago, if you turned up a little late or came unprepared in some way or other, you were sent out and not allowed to take part in the lecture/practical. People learnt very very quickly that lack of professionalism would not be tolerated, it only happened a couple of times!
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