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You do not sound ungrateful at all. If you could let me know exactly what kind of equipment you are looking for I could do more research in Switzerland and Germany.
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

I am after some padding for his bedroom wall and floor, with some equipment that gives off vibration, because he cant see very well and its only getting worse he likes to twiddle with things in his hands, he has some fiber optics and while they do give off light he tends to like how they feel in his hands.

He also likes his tactile panels, I was going to bring them with us but sine the lay who is renting the house has a child with learning needs I decided to leave them for her

We also have a chair he can sit it and that by a company called tumble form its very large and is built in, they are sold in the UK but if I could find something like that in Switzerland I would be so happy
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

If you are coming from the UK It may be just as easy to import what you need.

Does your child have specific diagnosis alongside the low vision?

Under the swiss system, if he was a citizen, c-permit holder, or born in switzerland, he would be eligible for 'IV' which is German sounds like 'ee fau'... If he is not eligible, then there will be a problem of a gap between what the compulsory health insurance, and the school system will pay for.

Are you in contact with the vision/blind support agencies in your current location? I am aware that there are therapists and specific 'low vision' therapy for kids with vision impairment, but it would be begun (in German) from the time of diagnosis.

The other common therapies would be speech, movement/physio and something called 'psycomotorik'. If he cannot be integrated into the local school then you're other options will be few... And the cost of private schooling enormous if you are not happy with what the government offers.

Does your child have a speech/language delay. It is very difficult to test cognitive function in children with vision impairment, but speech should be tested. If he does not have a specific impairment with hearing-speech-language then you could assume he will be able to learn German/Swiss German/ French... But it's a big 'ask' of a child with existing speech and language problems. However, i know a child with aspergers/autism who speaks four languages, and a child with Noonan syndrome who has a learning disability but can also understand/speak four languages... So it really depends on the individual child.

The school system will only consider your child at around 4-5 and before that, everything should be coordinated by the doctor/kids hospital. One thing to consider woukd be the location of therapy and the kids hospital... Our son has type 1'diabetes and has monthly or quarterly appointments at the kids hospital in zurich and it would be quite burden if we had to commute to the hospital...some children do travel quite far...
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

Ps. I worked previously with kids who were blind/vision impaired, and tapping, flicking, flapping and other 'stimming' behaviour is fairly classic. At some age it is something the therapists try to suppress as it is not socially acceptable... Under 4's (with and without vision impairment) explore their environment in a 'sensorial' way. We have heaps of sensorial materials in the Montessori environment where I work...
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

Do you know what sort of place you're getting? Apartment, house, etc? I would be careful with things that give off noise or maybe vibrations depending on how strong they are as you may get complaints from your neighbours if you're going to be living in an apartment. Also how messy is he? Many apartment blocks have shared laundry facilities and you have a set day and time of the week to do all your washing which may not suit you if he gets dirt all over his clothes on a regular basis.
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Maybe what clumsy mama wanted to say was with respect to special therapies under AI.
Yes, that was what I was referring to. I am not familiar with the terminology used here, but remembered from some EF threads that some therapies are not necessarily available to newcomers.
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I need to feed my kids dinner but will look for your items when they're in bed.
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

I realize it's not the same, but I have noticed that there is an Autism facility in Urdorf. There are many children around the village with various states within the spectrum-as well as those of all ages who have jobs etc in and around the area.

Perhaps some of the resources here could have good contacts with suppliers and facilities which might help you out in your situation.
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

Oof, this is going to be tough - my heart really goes out to you.

I have to agree with much of the advice above, especially concerning the 'segregation' of children with learning disabilities in Swiss society. It's not malicious (in my experience), simply old-fashioned, based on the assumption that 'it's for their own good' to be educated separately.

We were living in canton Zug when I took our first steps down the path towards assessment for learning disabilities with one of our children. Access to aid was via our paediatrician (who spoke English), who referred us to a Heilpaedagogin (kind of an occupational therapist/educational psychologist but not either) who did a first assessment in German. I don't know how much assistance would have been available because we left the canton before school-age, and each canton deals with these things very differently.

If you really can't stay in the UK, then I'd advise the following:
- Get in touch with ASK in Geneva/Zurich - they are a great bunch of people and can help put you in touch with other English-speaking families with similar experiences.
- Be prepared to translate as many of your son's formal assessments as you feel as will be helpful, to make sure you don't have to do everything again.
- Register with a great paediatrician in Zug. We were with Frau Dr Gschwend, who is patient, wise and speaks great English.

If access to special needs provision is anything like it is in canton Vaud, you will have to push all the way. The help we got was great in the end, but was mostly based on knowing what was appropriate, what was available and pushing for it. All provision was in French, of course, and quite a lot was only available while we stayed in the local school system. Assurance Invalidité (AI) covers a bit, but not much - for example we lost access to the excellent 'psychomotricité' therapy when we moved to a private (English-language) school as it isn't available here outside of the local school system.

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I am after some padding for his bedroom wall and floor, with some equipment that gives off vibration, because he cant see very well and its only getting worse he likes to twiddle with things in his hands, he has some fiber optics and while they do give off light he tends to like how they feel in his hands.

He also likes his tactile panels, I was going to bring them with us but sine the lay who is renting the house has a child with learning needs I decided to leave them for her

We also have a chair he can sit it and that by a company called tumble form its very large and is built in, they are sold in the UK but if I could find something like that in Switzerland I would be so happy
Floor mats
http://www.sport-thieme.ch/Therapie-...en/art=1828056

Padding for walls
http://www.sport-thieme.ch/Therapie-...en/art=1828203

For vibration
http://www.sport-thieme.ch/Therapie-...en/art=1830633

Is your husband's company paying for your move? Might it be less expensive to purchase these items in the UK and bring them wit you?
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

Hello

I found this: http://www.visoparents.ch/
and http://www.blind.ch/index.php?menuid=21
and http://zuerich.beratung.www.sbv-fsa.ch/de
and http://www.selbsthilfe-winterthur.ch...?vi=140&vg=140

and : Sehbehinderung - Region Zürich
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selbsthilfecenter.ch
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043 288 88 88
selbsthilfe@selbsthilfecenter.notexisting@nodomain .comch

Selbsthilfegruppen (support groups) are very helpful, try to get in contact with them.
And try to find out whether your child fulfill the preconditions for getting the "IV" as already s.b. posted here.
For Zürich this is their website: https://www.svazurich.ch/internet/de...ungsarten.html

Every Kanton has its own IV-Stelle, so if you will not live in Zürich you have to google for "IV" and the name of the Kanton.
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

I feel I should perhaps redress the negative opinions given here as to the state of treatment and care for children with special needs in Switzerland. My child's special needs are sufficiently severe to mean that in the UK (we are British) or here, he would be in a separate school with specialist resources to meet his needs. If that is the case with your son, then all the talk about "poor integration" is a red herring. Sometimes a specialised environment is exactly what is needed to provide the therapies and learning approaches and specialist training required.

Someone has already kindly pointed out a school for children with sight impairment jn the Zug area. I know a similar school in the Baselland area and was impressed when I visited.

Your problems instead will be twofold - finding a school with a place for your child - and once you have found this, funding the school. Part of it is covered by the educational budget (in so far as it relates to education) but in so far as it relates to additional care and specific therapies, the state disability insurance scheme pays. This is where you will have a difficulty and a funding gap. You need to have been paying into the state disability system for 12 months before the birth of your child to qualify (assuming you are British) so, based kn this assumption, it is safe to say you do not qualify. Sometimes if the funding gap is not too large, health insurance may step in but not for long and not often.

So yes, I would caution moving without having done a lot more research into the matter and frankly not to move without a place secured in a school, be it specialist or a normal school with additional support. Just as in the UK, the demand for these services far far outstrips supply. Alas, even when you are in the country and speak the language fluently (as was our case) finding and securing the right place for your child will take some 12 months or more to set up.

So whilst I feel bound to point out that the disability situation is not so severe as many others (albeit without specialist knowledge) have pointed out, I nevertheless have come to the same conclusion.

Stay put - at least for now while you check it all out.

All the very best.
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

Thanks ecb. For the equipment for your own home- I truly cannot see the problem. You will be moving your stuff here with a removal's firm I imagine- probably paid for by the business- so just buy in the UK and bring it over as part of your move?
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Thanks ecb. For the equipment for your own home- I truly cannot see the problem. You will be moving your stuff here with a removal's firm I imagine- probably paid for by the business- so just buy in the UK and bring it over as part of your move?
Importation of brand new equipment will incur a VAT charge. Importing the stuff from his room will not.

Just seems to be no good news for you .. Sorry.
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

Officially it has to be 6 months old. But surely, if you bring the stuff with all the labels cut off, rough the boxes up a bit, etc- it should be ok if it is brought in as personal possession as part of your move. Or, as you say, discuss this with the person who is taking over your house and explain that you intended to leave the stuff- but now you realise you won't be able to import it to CH, or buy it there- and arrange to, perhaps, split the cost of new stuff for the other child. There is a way round this I am sure.

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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

That is a very touching OP. My gut instincts tell me to advice you to return to the UK.

Good luck and remember whatever you choose to do the family should when possible come first.

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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

Hello EllaD and all.

I'm facing a similar situation and with exactly the same concerns: father of a 5yo boy with SPD and moving to Zurich in March.


Assuming you did go to Zug, can you please share your experience?
Did your child adapt?
Is your little boy in school (regular or private)?
Did you find propper Occupacional Therapy?
Did the insurence cover expenses related to SPD?

Many thanks in advance for sharing!
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

Does your child have a formal diagnosis ? Were they screened by a child psychiatrist ?



First step would be to find a good Paediatrician, they will refer for testing and support. If your child is required to attend school, then the local authoritiy will allocate the local school. If your child has additional needs, make an appointment, write a letter or ask your Paediatrician to write a letter, requesting an appointment with the school psychologist. They will do a basic assessment then recommend support via the school system.


You may find that, as in the USA, the psychologists do not recognise SPD as a separate condition, but as related symptoms to other conditions such as autism, anxiety, ADHD, food intolerances or behavioural disorders... so be prepared that you may need to be open to having your child re-assessed and referred according to the Swiss model.



Good luck! Once you have the right referrals in place, they will make recommendations back to the school for support. We found the best thing was to put our child's key teachers in direct contact with the therapist, so that when they had specific challenges or questions, the therapist could advise or reassure the teacher.



There is a good English-based service (but likely you will have to pay privately) - called 'foundations for learning' in Zurich - I can recommend their English-speaking psychologist. They work more with english speaking kids in private/international schools... but I am sure they can also give advice.


There is a word-renowned Autism specialist team in Zurich, the best is called 'Dr Gundelfinger' - he has a long waiting list, but is highly recommended. Usually for 'interesting' or complex cases where Autism could be a factor, but is not obvious, then he's the right person to talk to...
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Re: Children with Learning disabilities

Hello Swisspea,

Many thanks for your reply!

Yes, my son was diagnosed with SPD at the age of three, after ruling out the possibility of autism spectrum, which was the initial suspicious. Nonetheless, this was not a closed diagnosis.
He socialises very well in its own way and interacts with other children, even though other children don’t understand his language and actions. The main difficulties are in language and motor skills. He is a very happy and smiley kid.
Even though he is able to socialize, he is not able to focus attention in a regular school class. My main concern is the possibility of him being integrated in a regular school and having to sit in a chair listening to the teacher, to which he will not adapt. On the other hand, I'm also concerned that a school for children with special needs and with more severe conditions, may not be the best for him as well. This was the reason why opted by homeschooling and is working well. My wife is a kindergarden teacher and stayed at home to homeschool both our children (5yo and 8yo).
An additional concern is that his native language is portuguese. He does not understand german nor english.

I know that homeshcolling can be challenging in Switzerland after the first year. At this point we're trying to understand the possibilities we have after moving to Zurich.

Thanks for sharing your experience and recommendations.
I also got in touch with "The Learning Room" in Zurich, which seems to be a very good support platform for these cases.

Thank you once again!
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Hi,we are planing to move in Switzerland(Canton Schaffhausen)can someone please tell me what therapy\schools should i expect?
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