Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Education  
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12.04.2016, 13:27
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Travelling
Posts: 31
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Ireland00 has earned some respectIreland00 has earned some respect
Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Hello, this is a long shot, but I don't know where else to turn.

Has anybody got a PME (Professional Master of Education) in Ireland or QTS in Britain (Qualified teacher status) and had their qualifications recognised by the EDK? *

This is my plan but I feel very uneasy because it's a gamble. If it's not recognised I'll be too old to continue my studies. I'd like to know now if possible, because the fee of 800CF is quite expensive.

* The Irish qualification qualifies one to have QTS in Britain, so I'm assuming the EDK will treat this as the same.
  #2  
Old 12.04.2016, 14:41
NotAllThere's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 13,612
Groaned at 236 Times in 207 Posts
Thanked 19,977 Times in 8,116 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

A google of EDK and QTS gives some indication in www.edk.ch
  #3  
Old 12.04.2016, 15:06
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Hi


Not All There beat me to it - there's also a contact link in English - looks like you might need the Secretariat for general enquiries. http://www.edk.ch/dyn/11566.php

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. Off the top of my head I do believe that QTS is partially recognised by the state but that an additional Swiss qualification has to be done on top of that - you also need to be fluent (or near as damn-it) in a Swiss language (depending on region that may change) to be able to work in the state system (for reports, parents' evenings, explanations etc).

I have a QTS and an MA and can offer two subjects, but my German is only B level at best so I know that at this point in time I couldn't pursue a teaching career in a state school here.

I also read somewhere - and don't ask me for a link or a source because I can't remember - that state schools often want their teachers to be able to offer more than one specialism.

What is your specialism? What age ranges etc? How much experience?

QTS "as is" is recognised by the Independent Schools and a lot instruct only in English but some are bi-lingual and that could affect things for you. I have no idea if you're fluent in German (or French, or Italian) so am making assumptions here.


You mention an 800CHF fee - what's that for please?
You also mention you'll be "too old" if your qualifications aren't recognised. That I don't understand either.


A little more information may be helpful here - and you also sounded a little stressed and panicked in your post. Maybe take a breath before you post again.


Best of luck.


RufusB

Last edited by RufusB; 12.04.2016 at 15:10. Reason: added info
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 12.04.2016, 15:17
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Travelling
Posts: 31
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Ireland00 has earned some respectIreland00 has earned some respect
Hello RufusB,

I will have a c2 in French and I intend to work in the French kantons. I will specialise in English and History (which is what my masters will enable me to do) My age ranges are 12-18

My experience will only be CELTA and languages assistant experiences, but I was really only looking for whether or not my qualifications will be on paper by the EDK.

The 800CF is to have foreign qualifications recognised by the EDK (which takes 4-6 months).

Sorry if my post was confusing, I've been researching for months and this was my last port of call. I was seeing if there were any British/Irish who had the same qualifications and had them accepted by the EDK.

Also, what Swiss qualification would I need to have on top of that? I've never heard of that before

Hi, yes I was aware of that, but I was actually looking for people with those qualifications to offer me some advice. I'm pretty sure that my qualifications will be recognised, but I can't know for definite unless I pay the fee to have it examined and someone here telling me their expereiences would help ease my mind

Last edited by 3Wishes; 12.04.2016 at 18:14. Reason: merging consecutive replies
  #5  
Old 12.04.2016, 17:46
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Quote:
View Post
Hello RufusB,

I will have a c2 in French and I intend to work in the French kantons. I will specialise in English and History (which is what my masters will enable me to do) My age ranges are 12-18

My experience will only be CELTA and languages assistant experiences, but I was really only looking for whether or not my qualifications will be on paper by the EDK.

The 800CF is to have foreign qualifications recognised by the EDK (which takes 4-6 months).

Sorry if my post was confusing, I've been researching for months and this was my last port of call. I was seeing if there were any British/Irish who had the same qualifications and had them accepted by the EDK.

Also, what Swiss qualification would I need to have on top of that? I've never heard of that before

I'm not sure what it's called - you really do need to phone the EDK. It may just be that certification process you mentioned that gives you a Swiss equivalency. As I said, my German is not good enough to "go state" so I haven't done much research.


And I'm going to sound a little mean here, but CELTA is not the same as QTS, and does not have the same weight. It's also an adult education cert, not for schools. I do urge you to make some phone calls. In addition, CELTA is English, not History. Being a language assistant is not the same as leading a class.


You mentioned your Professional Masters in Education (? apologies if I've misremembered its name). Is that the Irish PGCE/ BA Ed equivalent? If you have that, surely that's the qualification to ask about rather than the CELTA.



To teach in schools - independent schools are a little different admittedly but most follow this - you need to have a recognised, professional teaching qualification with experience behind you. Unless I'm wildly misunderstanding, and it's more than possible, you sound like you may be "only" a newly qualified teacher. Again, this is a different deal. Of course, every newly qualified professional needs to start somewhere but be aware that schools also like tried and tested with proven track records.




EDIT - I've just seen your second post about the 800CHF essentially being a "Look see" fee. Are you quite sure about that? Have you actually called the EDK? Failing that, have you tried calling an established school and asking for their advice?


Are you still affiliated in anyway to your MA university? Can they help you with this question? A sympathetic lecturer or office manager may be willing to make a call on your behalf and maybe, with the weight of their institution behind them, may be able to get an answer for you.
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 12.04.2016, 18:12
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

I have a B.Ed.Hons from the UK- in Modern languages and humanities. As I am Swiss and educated in CH to age 19 (Bac + trilingual PA) and local- our local secondary school wanted me to teach for them as they are really short of good English teachers- and they were prepared to bend the rules on 'equivalence' due to my 30+ experience teaching in the UK. I declined as I am retired, etc.

So there might be a way for you to get a job teaching English as there is a shortage in some places.

But for history? Are you sure C2 will be sufficient? It's a high level indeed but...- and you'll also need to show that you are totally 'au fait' with European, French and Swiss and local history where you'd be based. History includes a lot of discussion and debate- and requirement to mark essays, etc, which requires total fluency.
  #7  
Old 12.04.2016, 18:39
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Travelling
Posts: 31
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Ireland00 has earned some respectIreland00 has earned some respect
RufusB:

I do not mean that my CELTA will grant me QTS. I mean only my masters degree (which is now a Professional Master in Education which grants teaching licensure). I am not even qualified yet, but I want to plan in advance. My masters specialises me in English and History, after which I will be qualified to teach in Europe (but of course Switzerland is different). I do not consider my CELTA or language assistant as experience as qualifications. I'm sorry there was so much confusion.

Odile: I would not like to have the rules bent for me, I would like to go in the traditional route. And yes, if I am c2 I am confident that I could discuss these things (I already read philosophy and literature through French). Thanks for your help.

RufusB: I am sure about the 800ch, unfortunately I can't link you now because it would take me a long time to find the page, but I am positive that that is the case. I was in correspondence with the EDK several times and they basically told me that there is nothing that I can do unless I pay to get it verified.

Last edited by 3Wishes; 12.04.2016 at 22:09. Reason: merging consecutive replies
This user would like to thank Ireland00 for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 12.04.2016, 18:46
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Quote:
View Post
RufusB:

I do not mean that my CELTA will grant me QTS. I mean only my masters degree (which is now a Professional Master in Education which grants teaching licensure). I am not even qualified yet, but I want to plan in advance. My masters specialises me in English and History, after which I will be qualified to teach in Europe (but of course Switzerland is different). I do not consider my CELTA or language assistant as experience as qualifications. I'm sorry there was so much confusion.


Ah, OK. Your MEd will be QTS, basically. OK. Now it becomes a matter of experience, references and finding a job.


When do you qualify?



Quote:
View Post
Odile: I would not like to have the rules bent for me, I would like to go in the traditional route. And yes, if I am c2 I am confident that I could discuss these things (I already read philosophy and literature through French). Thanks for your help.

You really do need to call the EDK or, as I said, maybe ask a sympathetic uni tutor to do it.


Can I ask why the burning desire to start your teaching career here? Wouldn't you be better getting some experience on your home turf for a bit and applying for positions here while you already have one there?
  #9  
Old 12.04.2016, 18:47
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Quote:
View Post
RufusB: I am sure about the 800ch, unfortunately I can't link you now because it would take me a long time to find the page, but I am positive that that is the case. I was in correspondence with the EDK several times and they basically told me that there is nothing that I can do unless I pay to get it verified.

Ouch. Swines.


I'd chance my arm and phone them, nonetheless!
  #10  
Old 12.04.2016, 18:53
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Travelling
Posts: 31
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Ireland00 has earned some respectIreland00 has earned some respect
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Rufus: I will be qualified in 2019. I could ask a uni tutor, but would the edk be willing to help? (they would have to speak in English, Andover they're potentially losing out on lots of cash!)

I'm eager to go because I have a sweetheart there and long distance relationships can only go on for so long! I was planning on working in an international school in ch in order to gain experience
  #11  
Old 12.04.2016, 18:57
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Quote:
View Post
Rufus: I will be qualified in 2019. I could ask a uni tutor, but would the edk be willing to help? (they would have to speak in English, Andover they're potentially losing out on lots of cash!)

I'm eager to go because I have a sweetheart there and long distance relationships can only go on for so long! I was planning on working in an international school in ch in order to gain experience


No idea, sorry, but again, try, you might be pleasantly surprised. And International Schools have a lot of choices for staff - I really would get as much experience as you can.


A three-year MA? Is that combined/extended from a BA? Are you also on teaching practice?


Sorry to sound so nosy, it's just vastly different from my route and I'm fascinated!
  #12  
Old 12.04.2016, 19:00
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Travelling
Posts: 31
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Ireland00 has earned some respectIreland00 has earned some respect
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Not nosy at all! I'm happy to talk about it. I'm returning home to work (hopefully in an English academy) for one year to save funds for my masters (2 years and €12000) which is half lectures and half teaching practice.
  #13  
Old 12.04.2016, 20:45
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Quote:
View Post
Not nosy at all! I'm happy to talk about it. I'm returning home to work (hopefully in an English academy) for one year to save funds for my masters (2 years and 12000) which is half lectures and half teaching practice.


Is there a GTP option in Ireland? A scheme where you work and train (the school/govt pays you) and you get a lot of in school support? Or a one year PGCE course? Or do you have to do an MA?


You say you're planning on working in an English Academy - as a TA/HLTA or an unqualified teacher?


Are you an Irish citizen or a UK citizen? If the latter then there are likely cheaper options to training to be a teacher. Do you already have a degree?


This kind of sounds like me thinking out loud - do you have a place set up or is this all at the planning stage?
  #14  
Old 12.04.2016, 21:33
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Vaud
Posts: 44
Groaned at 5 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts
halc3 has made some interesting contributions
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Hello all,

I have just gone through the whole process and of course paid the 800Chf. There is unfortunately no way around it.

All the information you are looking for can be found on the official application form here:

http://www.edudoc.ch/static/web/arbe...e_lehrer_f.pdf

The list of criteria is on the last page. Basically you have to have Qualified Teacher Status from your home country and if you are going into secondary, which I am not, I believe you have to have a masters or higher. The minimum language requirement is C2 in French, German or Italian, which you must have proof of.

I posted my completed dossier yesterday and now I have everything crossed. It took quite a long time to compile, as I needed paperwork from all over the place and I took the C2 exam in French.
This user would like to thank halc3 for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 12.04.2016, 21:38
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Quote:
View Post
Hello all,

I have just gone through the whole process and of course paid the 800Chf. There is unfortunately no way around it.

All the information you are looking for can be found on the official application form here:

http://www.edudoc.ch/static/web/arbe...e_lehrer_f.pdf

The list of criteria is on the last page. Basically you have to have Qualified Teacher Status from your home country and if you are going into secondary, which I am not, I believe you have to have a masters or higher. The minimum language requirement is C2 in French, German or Italian, which you must have proof of.

I posted my completed dossier yesterday and now I have everything crossed. It took quite a long time to compile, as I needed paperwork from all over the place and I took the C2 exam in French.


Thank you Halc3 - I'm crossing my fingers for you too!


Rufus
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 12.04.2016, 21:43
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Vaud
Posts: 44
Groaned at 5 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts
halc3 has made some interesting contributions
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Technically there is no reason why I should be rejected. I have jumped through every hoop, paid lots of money to get paperwork...however...I'm not Swiss.
This user would like to thank halc3 for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 14.04.2016, 14:52
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Travelling
Posts: 31
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Ireland00 has earned some respectIreland00 has earned some respect
Hi, sorry for the late reply.

I am Irish and, unfortunately for me, there was a complete education overhaul last year. This means that if I want to get qualified teacher status the only way to do this is to have a masters. The only way to get this is to fork out the 12000. The upside is that this masters makes me more employable overseas than would a bachelor's + 1 cert.

About the English academy, I have a CELTA which allows me to work in places like Wall Street English. This would be a fallback because I know there's no career in it without a DELTA (and it's very unstable).

I have a degree in English and History (so my masters would allow me to specialise in those two, and I can teach those in the international school and eventually public school (or French, because by then I'll have my C2).

I haven't picked a place. Ideally I'd work at the border between the French and German-speaking regions (I like French, my girlfriend likes German). However, all this is dependent on where I can get a job. I'll take whatever I can get.

May I ask where you got your masters?

Last edited by 3Wishes; 14.04.2016 at 20:37. Reason: merging consecutive replies
  #18  
Old 14.04.2016, 19:43
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Quote:
View Post
May I ask where you got your masters?
Hi

Who are you asking? If me, feel free to PM me. My MA is not in education. Thr UK system different to the Irish one and that is changing too. Didn't realise the overhaul was so extensive... wow. I qualified quite some time ago now!

I'm not trying to be negative by the way. It's just good to be going in eyes open. I've worked with trainee teachers (and well remember being one myself ) and it's definitely a case of "know thyself".

Rufus

Last edited by RufusB; 14.04.2016 at 20:02.
  #19  
Old 14.04.2016, 20:36
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Travelling
Posts: 31
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Ireland00 has earned some respectIreland00 has earned some respect
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Quote:
View Post
Technically there is no reason why I should be rejected. I have jumped through every hoop, paid lots of money to get paperwork...however...I'm not Swiss.
May I ask where you got your masters?
  #20  
Old 14.04.2016, 20:38
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Travelling
Posts: 31
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Ireland00 has earned some respectIreland00 has earned some respect
Re: Recognition of Irish/British qualifications for public schools

Quote:
View Post
Technically there is no reason why I should be rejected. I have jumped through every hoop, paid lots of money to get paperwork...however...I'm not Swiss.
Quote:
Hi

Who are you asking? If me, feel free to PM me. My MA is not in education. Thr UK system different to the Irish one and that is changing too. Didn't realise the overhaul was so extensive... wow. I qualified quite some time ago now!

I'm not trying to be negative by the way. It's just good to be going in eyes open. I've worked with trainee teachers (and well remember being one myself ) and it's definitely a case of "know thyself".

Rufus
Sorry Rufus, I was talking to the other member in case s/he's Irish. I appreciate the advice also; I'm very reserved by nature but teaching brings out a very social side of me. I'd like to take it as far as I can!
 




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Foreign legal qualifications - Recognition in Switzerland digitech Employment 2 26.09.2012 10:56
What's a paramedic to do? [Recognition of foreign qualifications] Rtfdpete Employment 12 22.01.2012 15:33
Public Schools in ZH with lots of Ex-pat kids CynthiaC Family matters/health 3 05.07.2011 14:47
Professional Qualifications recognition - MBA to DR. telandy Other/general 3 26.05.2011 22:02
experiences or recommendations of Swiss public schools in Vaud itsme Family matters/health 12 17.04.2010 12:46


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 21:21.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0