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Indian doctor needs help about Non EU degree!

Hi everybody,

Is there any doctor from Indian subcontinent / non EU with non EU medical degree, living in Bern?

Would need help regarding ongoing admin process.

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Hi everybody,

Is there any doctor from Indian subcontinent / non EU with non EU medical degree, living in Bern?

Would need help regarding ongoing admin process.

Thanks in advance

Dr remo
medical doctor or with Phd degree?

What is your ongoing admin process?
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Hi Fliswiss,

Thanks for reaching out to help me..

So, far: I have finished my 5.5 years MBBS/Bachelors in Medicine & Bachelors in Surgery including Internship (equivalent to swiss Master of med) from India thereafter with ~2.5 years working experience in cardiology , CTVS, A&E/Notfallaufnahme & Nephrology departments.
Also I have done German B2 course in Bern & then cleared/passed it.

Presently, I am living in Bern with "B Ausweis" from Fremdenkontrolle.

What I have known so far: I have contacted MEBEKO & FMH, official bodies for recognising foreign degrees in Switzerland. I was told by them to work for 3 yrs as Assistenzarzt only with 100% Pensum and then appear & pass Staatenexam to recognise my non EU MBBS degree & pursue further for weiterbildung, if I can't find a place directly (before Staatenexam).
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Problem: As I have written so far 20-25 Bewerbungen for Assistenzarzt position in various hospitals' departments but haven't got any single call for job interview. So, I think, there is something wrong in my 3 page german CV and cover letter/bewerbungsschreiben. (I have non medico swiss friends, who have already tried to edit them, but still not working out well for me).

Coming to main point, What help I want presently: Someone with medical background- best if you happen to be Arzt/doctor, who can meet personally (I can visit you- with my all pdf documents) & edit my presently 2 page detailed CV (into 1 page Resume) and Bewerbubgsschrieben, which I have already written in german.

Just FYI:
In India, we have to give our only relevant detailed CV (normally 3-4 pages), copies of degree and state's registration/Licence certificates. Rest, we talk/explain everything during interview like reason/passions to work in that particular dept etc.
As I mentioned, unlike here, we have no concept of 1 page Resumé and Bewerbungschreiben/covering letter with other docs.


Thanks in advance for help

Dr Remo

PS: I have sent you a private message, modifying this one with my more specific Infos.

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Re: Indian doctor needs help about Non EU degree!

I am no doctor and no indian. I had an eye surgeon friend who had to move to Switzerland because of her husbands job. She had huge troubles with finding a job and now they moved out back.

none of my business but why do you want to work in Switzerland, this is not a place where you can develop yourself a lot as a doctor. The population is so small and uniform for you to be able to experience alot of cases. It is a limiting factor aganist case based development.If it is for money, a well trained doctor earns good money almost everywhere around the world.

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I am no doctor and no indian. I had an eye surgeon friend who had to move to Switzerland because of her husbands job. She had huge troubles with finding a job and now they moved out back.

none of my business but why do you want to work in Switzerland, this is not a place where you can develop yourself a lot as a doctor. The population is so small and uniform for you to be able to experience alot of cases. It is a limiting factor aganist case based development.If it is for money, a well trained doctor earns good money almost everywhere around the world.

Good luck.
Hi Dark Blue,

I fell in love & got married here fortunately but unfortunately my spouse, who is Swiss can't adjust easily(almost impossible) in India for job etc as compared to me, getting here and starting/continuing life here with weiterbildung could be easier, I guess.

I came here for 1 month in 2013 to have trial living experience & since then I knew life here will be steep uphill in medical field from learning language (then i knew none of swiss language too) till getting fully integrating myself professionally.

I guess, Love makes first everything blurry then later totally Blind...

Anyways, If you know somebody with med background, do inform me, maybe he/she can help me out.. !

Thanks

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Might be an interesting read - even if not on topic and not too helpful: Australian doctor, (non EU)
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A) your German is not good enough, needs to be C1
B) since your spouse is Swiss I assume you have a work permit. Is that clearly stated on your CV?
C) nobody here reads through 4 pages of CV. Narrow it down to 2
D) does your CV clearly state your degree is recognized and that you need to work for 3 years before attempting the exam?
E) 20-25 applications is nothing around here...
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My advice would be to find a local specialist in whichever field of medicine you wish to practice in, probably the younger the better, and have a talk with them. They may be able to introduce you to colleagues who are in the market applying for similar positions.

Usually they finish the Staatsexamen, then more or less move through the system without a great deal of formal jobhunting, mostly word of mouth/contact network is how they find a prospective position, then a talk with the dept head, then submit resume etc. (at least that is how it was 15-25 years ago)

You need to find a way to get in touch with the network to discover how it operates.
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A) your German is not good enough, needs to be C1
B) since your spouse is Swiss I assume you have a work permit. Is that clearly stated on your CV?
C) nobody here reads through 4 pages of CV. Narrow it down to 2
D) does your CV clearly state your degree is recognized and that you need to work for 3 years before attempting the exam?
E) 20-25 applications is nothing around here...
Hi Samaire13,

Thanks for helping

A) your German is not good enough, needs to be C1

I was told by MEBEKO that B2 was only requirement. So,I have cleared till there but I also guess now, unofficially need upto C1 or more.

B) since your spouse is Swiss I assume you have a work permit. Is that clearly stated on your CV?

Yes, I have B Ausweis with Erwerbstätigkeit. I have mentioned about B Ausweis, not Erwerbstätigkeit. Currently, I have modified this suggestion .. Thanks

C) nobody here reads through 4 pages of CV. Narrow it down to 2.

Through swiss friends, I know but i have tried to reduced & It has became from 4 to 2 pages. so, I want someone with medical background, who can help further to 1 page Resumé, as it is expected here.

D) does your CV clearly state your degree is recognized and that you need to work for 3 years before attempting the exam?

My med degree is from India, which is not recognised here through direct recognisation - meant for EU degrees.

Indirect recognisation is possible, since my spouse is swiss. 3 years work in swiss or EU is one of reqiurement + after that Staatenexam/federal licencing exams.


http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/beruf...x.html?lang=de

for non EU degree are these 3 possibilities to do staatenexam: http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/beruf...x.html?lang=de

It is crazy process (to recognise non EU UG med degrees) for me also to understand but to clear my doubt, I have read these pages many times & ask 2-3x with MEBEKO also, They have also said same.

CRAZY because first the law say work as ASSISTENZARZT with only as 100% PENSUM and then clear STAATENEXAM then you get Licence to practice & degree will be recognised. If i get Licence later then how can one find a job or work as assistenzarzt that too 100%.

Anyways, It is democracy. I am aware of democratic laws as sometimes they can be non-sense and very absurd... !

Secondly, I see almost every month on SRF news that there is huge shortage of doctors. So, it feels frustrating to see it and especially when i am ready to learn and want to trained further into a specific specialisation than too wasting time.
Today also I also saw report from Kanton zürich about shortage between 7-8 pm..

E) 20-25 applications is nothing around here...

As I had read in childhood "Time is best teacher and healer for good & bad things". In swiss I have experienced it these things..

Yeah i know it now through non medico friends.. 50 applications are also minimum sometimes and patience is required utmost, if you want job in Switzerland.

For Eg: after my Internship (part of Bachelors/MBBS) in Feb 2012, I applied 3 jobs in 2nd week April 2012, I had job offer by end of month from 2 of them. And if one has worked in hospital for 1 yr (like me as i worked until 2015 in A&E, cardio n CTVS departments), then you don't need to do paperwork again for same hospital (HR has to do rest the paperwork from past)and you are hired on re-application by approaching the chairman/chief of department & then just signing the new contract, if vacancy is available.



Thanks again for helping.

Just for Info: about med system in India

In India, education is quite 1 way path and simple, but soon it can also become complicated because of ongoing educational reforms.
For Eg: for medicine/or to become a doctor atleast (if one has to clear all exams as a hurdles)
>> first 10 yrs normal schooling (with english + 2 other languages + Science + Maths + Social science) = MATRICULATION with minimum 70% marks.
>> then 2 yrs Pre- University / Senior Secondary School (for Medicine: English + Phy + Chem + Biology + optional maths, for safety if one can't qualify Medical entrance exams-- then is Engg open option) with minimum 55-60% marks as requirement for PMT.

Apply for combined PMT (for both MBBS & BDS)/ pre med test / entrance exam. Get selected somewhere (earlier was individual PMT by all over Indian uni & colleges, but now is single PMT exam for whole India - Normally, there are yearly 700,000- 900,000 applicants for 53000- 57000 MBBS and BDS/to be dentist for all over India)

If selected in public med. universities or colleges... it is like---- you won a SWISS LOTTO of millions.. you can understand its competitive importance &
REASON: medical education cost will be less US $ 2000 for whole med education & reputed faculties& facilities. (I had paid less than US $ 1500 for whole 5.5 yrs MBBS course including hostel accommodation in campus).
For private med school in India cost can be anywhere between US $3700- 9000 per year for UG, depending upon type (worst to best private med colleges), These are people, who forget med. ethics soon after graduating/ post graduating(PG is more expensive).
So, non-selected people going to eastern Europe are in between, when it comes to cost & they choose to go there, as this cost is also one of important factor..

IF ONE IS NOT SELECTED = NIL CHANCES TO BE DR IN INDIA. oR TRY AGAIN NEXT YR.

Then is 1st yr of MBBS/Bachelors in Medicine & Bachelor in Surgery, then one enters with pride and show off, because he had been bragged about his achievement too much FROM FAMILY n FRIENDS:
>1st professional yr (1 yr): all basic med subjects: Anatomy, Physiology and Biochem
> 2nd Prof yr (1.5 yr): all other non-clinical subjects: PHARMA, MICRO, PATHO & FORENSIC MED.
> 3rd Prof yr (1 yr): PSM/Community medicine, Opthal & ENT
> 4th prof yr: (all remaining clinical subjects) Int med (incl. Derma, Psych, Pulmo & TB), OBGY, Sx (incl Anaesthesia, Ortho), Paeds.

For Indian or Foreigners, studying med UG out of India have to do federal liscence exam (like swiss Staatenexam), when returning to India. If they can't pass it then their medical education from abroad especially from Russia or east European countries is irrelevant in India until and unless recognised (presently like mine in Switzerland- because every country is busy thinking that their med education system is better than others.. ). If one lack somewhere then no chance to be dr in India. One try to apply this screening exam lifelong until one can pass it. It is simple & straight forward for all those who want to return.

Then we get Provisional Degree and licence: for 1 yr paid rotatary internship in all subjects of 3rd and 4th year. Pay is usually between US $ 300- 500/ month.

After completing Internship, we get state licence & permanent degree. It is equivalent to Swiss Master of med degree.

One can also get federal Indian registration/licence on request, for those going out of India.

then is 2 option to be junior resident/Assistenzarzt:
>> non Academic JR
>> Academic JR

We have 2 straight forward options:

OPTION 1: For NON-ACADEMIC as Junior Residency/JRship/ Assistenzart (working as GP in almost all major medicinal departments). For those willing to work for some time and then join PG/weiterbildung later like in my case. One get no degree for this one but s/he gets work experience certificate.
In my case, I am here with ~2.5 years experience in Cardio, CTVS and A&E department.

OPTION 2: ACADEMIC Junior Residency/ JRship/ Assitenzarzt mit Weiterbildungziel:
After MBBS, apply for another 300 MCQ based national entrance exams ->> Get a good Rank -->> get the branch of your choice. For those getting bad/lower ranks, get normally non-clinical branches (subjects of 1st & 2nd year- see above). One has to do Theses work also during this 3 years After finishing 3 yrs PG, one gets job as Facharzt/ Senior resident or sometimes even as consultant/Oberarzt or Assistant Professor in non clinical branches.

Only 5 countries's PG degrees like from USA, UK, Canada, Australia and Ireland are directly accepted.

This, Academic JRship, is 3 yr specialisation courses leading to MD or MS (usually in Int Med, Gen Sx, Anaesthesia, Orthopeics, Derma, Psychiatry, OBGY ENT, Opthal etc). It is equal to swiss facharzt titel.

Then for sub-specialisation subjects (like cardio, CTVS, Neurology, NeuroSx, plastic Sx, spinal Sx etc).. Give an entrance exam again... Get selected ... Join 3 years DM or MCh course. One has to do a Theses again. I have no idea presently, what equates to this degree in Swiss.

In short, That's our system from class 1st of school till becoming a super/sub specialist doctor. We have just this path--- to follow to be a Dr in India. IF one can't qualify the exams or doesn't fulfill the requirement at any level- he/she is out of League.. !

We have no Licence exam like USMLE after finishing UG/ MBBS, but soon after legislation, it is also be introduced in next 2-3 years.

Anyways ... It has become to long now..

Take care
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My advice would be to find a local specialist in whichever field of medicine you wish to practice in, probably the younger the better, and have a talk with them. They may be able to introduce you to colleagues who are in the market applying for similar positions.

Usually they finish the Staatsexamen, then more or less move through the system without a great deal of formal jobhunting, mostly word of mouth/contact network is how they find a prospective position, then a talk with the dept head, then submit resume etc. (at least that is how it was 15-25 years ago)

You need to find a way to get in touch with the network to discover how it operates.
Hi JagWaugh,

I am trying to find one since 1.5 years. I haven't found a specialist, as I was many times at FBB/ medical library at Balthazarstrasse- Bern specially for it, but couldn't find someone more than in Bachelor medicine course. So, it is irrelevant so far because they are unaware about system ahead even in Masters med also (i tried with 13 different students). So, Weiterbildung was not in their reach at this stage, if i ask or insist more, they go blank...!

I have only option left is to break my bone and visit a Orthopedician in hospital (+ pay CHF 2500 for hospitalisation) as I wanted to be Orthopedician or Back-up option: For anaesthesiologist or Intensive /Critical medicine- i don't know how..
If someone knows someone doing Assistenzarzt or above - Please let me know.


As far as Staatenexam is concern: they finish soon after 6th year here, as part of licensing and then they apply for Assistenzarzt through recommendations from their college Professor/ Praktikum Jahres recommending doctor- these things are also present these days and very normal as part of swiss medical education system..

But since I am outsider for now. So, trying to find a connecting link for my first job, (which is presently missing- so is all these problematic ambiguity). Then, later everything will fall in place for me too through lateral contacts during first job.

Anyways... trying to find out somebody, who can help here to fix the link.

Thanks again for your advices so far.

Dr Remo
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Re the language: there's theory and reality. In theory, B2 may be enough. In reality, if they have enough applicants, they will go with someone who speaks German at least to C1 or fluently... The more German you speak the better, also in light of the fact you'll be working with patients who will, for the large part, only speak German.

I'm surprised they tell you you only need to work 3 years as an Assistenzarzt as it's often closer to 5-6. I'm also not really sure why the fact thaat your spouse is Swiss matters here - your degree is either recognized or it is not, neither your nationality nor that of our spouse should have any influence.

No idea what you wrote in your application so far, but you need to very clearly describe your situation and what you need to do according to official bodies. It may simply not be clear at the moment and they may just read your CV, conclude you don't have a recognized degree anyway and discard your application because of that.

Edit: there is a shortage of doctors here, but of GPs which most don't want to do. Plus see above, just because there's a shortage doesn't mean they will lower their requirements in any way.

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Edit: there is a shortage of doctors here, but of GPs which most don't want to do. Plus see above, just because there's a shortage doesn't mean they will lower their requirements in any way.
And the OP should be aware that the shortage is not evenly distributed - the need is greatest in the boondocks. Small out of the way places are struggling to find and keep GPs. Urban or greater metro areas are generally better served.

One reason for the shortages are that general practice is a lower paid specialty, and practicing in the middle of nowhere is something fewer doctors are willing to do. But to get yourself established in Switzerland you might need to look into areas where the shortage is acute, in less attractive areas of practice - and where you will have less competition from native speakers with more easily understandable credentials.

That said, out in the boondocks, and certainly in general practice, a very high level of language competency is critical, probably moreso than in urban areas. Not only fluent spoken high German but also a good understanding of Swiss German, as this is what your patients will speak.

Where, and to what area of practice, have you applied, Drremobond? Are you willing to relocate to wherever a job opening might be?
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Hi JagWaugh,

I am trying to find one since 1.5 years. I haven't found a specialist, as I was many times at FBB/ medical library at Balthazarstrasse- Bern specially for it, but couldn't find someone more than in Bachelor medicine course. So, it is irrelevant so far because they are unaware about system ahead even in Masters med also (i tried with 13 different students). So, Weiterbildung was not in their reach at this stage, if i ask or insist more, they go blank...!

I have only option left is to break my bone and visit a Orthopedician in hospital (+ pay CHF 2500 for hospitalisation) as I wanted to be Orthopedician or Back-up option: For anaesthesiologist or Intensive /Critical medicine- i don't know how..
If someone knows someone doing Assistenzarzt or above - Please let me know.


As far as Staatenexam is concern: they finish soon after 6th year here, as part of licensing and then they apply for Assistenzarzt through recommendations from their college Professor/ Praktikum Jahres recommending doctor- these things are also present these days and very normal as part of swiss medical education system..

But since I am outsider for now. So, trying to find a connecting link for my first job, (which is presently missing- so is all these problematic ambiguity). Then, later everything will fall in place for me too through lateral contacts during first job.

Anyways... trying to find out somebody, who can help here to fix the link.

Thanks again for your advices so far.

Dr Remo
Hanging about the library probably won't help you much. The people there are concentrating on subject matter, and may be at the bottom of the food chain in the system.

The language requirements etc are the bare minimum, if you were an up and coming cardiac surgeon, or nephrologist with a lot of experience, and you had a connection to a star surgeon, or dept head, then the minimum might suffice.

As I see it you have three problems, one is that your qualifications are not recognised, the other is that you don't seem to have some special experience which makes you competitive with others who do have recognised qualifications, and third, you haven't got a live network of people in the system. My advice would be to concentrate on the third problem.

Contact these local people:
http://www.ibra.ch/Research-Education-Committees

If you can, subscribe to the FMH magazine, and attend the Tagungen that are posted there, making personal contact with the speakers there may be more effective than sending off a well polished CV.

You may spend some time doing lab work or even pure research to prove yourself.

The surgical fields are highly competitive, breaking into them at a large urban teaching hospital must be the most difficult of all possible aims, this is true even for Swiss nationals who have completed their training here. You may have to move or commute away from your current environment for the first few jobs. If Orthopedics is your field, a stint at a regional hospital in a ski area is generally considered to be a necessary part of training.

When writing their Dissertation the students here talk of their thesis advisor as their "Doctorvater". This is not by chance, the job market is very close knit and works more on who you know than what you know. (That you know your stuff is a given.)
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Re the language: there's theory and reality. In theory, B2 may be enough. In reality, if they have enough applicants, they will go with someone who speaks German at least to C1 or fluently... The more German you speak the better, also in light of the fact you'll be working with patients who will, for the large part, only speak German.
As I have also thought, B2 was bare minimum requirement. So, on recommendation of my friends, I have joined since 2 weeks in evening course of C1.

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I'm surprised they tell you you only need to work 3 years as an Assistenzarzt as it's often closer to 5-6. I'm also not really sure why the fact thaat your spouse is Swiss matters here - your degree is either recognized or it is not, neither your nationality nor that of our spouse should have any influence.
You are right that normally 5-7 years are duration of weiterbildung in Switzerland (depending on branches one opts/chooses). BUT for recognisation of my degree, I was told to work as Assistenzarzt for 3 years- It can be apart of weiterbildung course or not (then like as non-academic Assistenzarzt) then Staatenexam... Then send all docx as proof to MEBEKO for recognition review and approval.

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No idea what you wrote in your application so far, but you need to very clearly describe your situation and what you need to do according to official bodies. It may simply not be clear at the moment and they may just read your CV, conclude you don't have a recognized degree anyway and discard your application because of that.

Edit: there is a shortage of doctors here, but of GPs which most don't want to do. Plus see above, just because there's a shortage doesn't mean they will lower their requirements in any way.
I wrote for Internal medicine, psychiatry and related branches (for Assistenzarzt at Heiligeschwendi usw) und Gen surgery (for Unterassistent- for spitalMünsingen), mentioning according to MEBEKO.. (attached my sample application). I am not saying, they should lower their standard- but they should make it simple for eligible non EU ones too,who are willing to pursue and contribute (then rather just crying loud- we have shortage etc). Anyways, I am not into Swiss med education politics etc, I just want to join anywhere in Swiss as Assistenzarzt & be more productive than wasting time - learning something will be better than nothing now.

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Re: Indian doctor needs help about Non EU degree!

Well the shortage is mostly not in those areas, where you are applying. So no reason to make it easy.

And I am quite sure that it is not only Switzerland, where foreign diplomas/trainings are not accepted at face value
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And the OP should be aware that the shortage is not evenly distributed - the need is greatest in the boondocks. Small out of the way places are struggling to find and keep GPs. Urban or greater metro areas are generally better served.
I have read few articles about them, some areas are more in shortage than bigger cities or other areas. I have also tried twice too in 2 small hospitals of these areas & i am still awaiting for their replies... mit Daumen drücken

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One reason for the shortages are that general practice is a lower paid specialty, and practicing in the middle of nowhere is something fewer doctors are willing to do. But to get yourself established in Switzerland you might need to look into areas where the shortage is acute, in less attractive areas of practice - and where you will have less competition from native speakers with more easily understandable credentials.
Presently, I am just willing to join and start in any branches to fulfill MEBEKO's criteria- so low pay is not an issue.

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That said, out in the boondocks, and certainly in general practice, a very high level of language competency is critical, probably moreso than in urban areas. Not only fluent spoken high German but also a good understanding of Swiss German, as this is what your patients will speak.
I am working on Swiss german too with my spouse and with help of SRF Tageschau & other swiss channels daily. So, I guess, it is helping.

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Where, and to what area of practice, have you applied, Drremobond? Are you willing to relocate to wherever a job opening might be?
So far, I have applied in 5x- Spitalmünsingen in internal medicine, Anaesthesia, Gen surgey, 1x-KSSolothurn- psychiatry, inselspital- 3x in int medicine, Gasterologie, 3x Aarbergspital-Int medicine & Gen surgery, Heiligischwendi und Gümlingen- Internal medicine(geriaterie)- reply awaited.. These were mostly for unterassistenz und assistenzarzt.. once also for wahljahrstudenten position. Also, 2-3x in insel for some ongoing research studies as sub-coordinating doctor for field work.

Like i said... low pay and place in Switzerland (as overall it is well connected) is presently not important presently but doctor incharge/ teaching should be good & willing to recommend somewhere else/ hospital after my contract is over, that is important for me in this stage.

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Re: Indian doctor needs help about Non EU degree!

Hi JagWaugh,
Thanks for your worthful advices. I appreciate them.

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Hanging about the library probably won't help you much. The people there are concentrating on subject matter, and may be at the bottom of the food chain in the system.
I have also guessed that was not helpful after a certain extend (like help in understanding the basic swiss med. education system etc)
But since I had to start somewhere from scratch & also I i assumed like in India- I can find once in a while: all type of doctors in the hierarchy in library but i guess that is not the case here.

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The language requirements etc are the bare minimum, if you were an up and coming cardiac surgeon, or nephrologist with a lot of experience, and you had a connection to a star surgeon, or dept head, then the minimum might suffice.
I am working on it to improve my fluency in both C1 Hochdeutsch N swiss german/Bärndütsch too

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As I see it you have three problems, one is that your qualifications are not recognised, the other is that you don't seem to have some special experience which makes you competitive with others who do have recognised qualifications, and third, you haven't got a live network of people in the system. My advice would be to concentrate on the third problem.

Contact these local people:
http://www.ibra.ch/Research-Education-Committees
You are right about all 3 things and I also think- 3rd point is important here but find one recommendation here is quite difficult task until i have my first job as Assistenzarzt. PResently, I have no contact with any doctors or people from swiss medical field. And I guess, nobody will recommend until I work under or with them..

I have contacted on the link, which you have sent & they told me- it is for those in weiterbildung or already in ongoing research areas and that too only in Orthopedic area. Inspite these, I have written a email to doctor from Basel & hoping & waiting for a reply

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If you can, subscribe to the FMH magazine, and attend the Tagungen that are posted there, making personal contact with the speakers there may be more effective than sending off a well polished CV.
I have read about it and I tried to become member but i need to be working in swiss hospital to be it's member. Without FMH membership, It is very expensive yearly subscription.

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You may spend some time doing lab work or even pure research to prove yourself.
I have applied for ongoing research projects too but job applications were not accepted citing that they prefer EU students first or Non EU through exchange programs.

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The surgical fields are highly competitive, breaking into them at a large urban teaching hospital must be the most difficult of all possible aims, this is true even for Swiss nationals who have completed their training here. You may have to move or commute away from your current environment for the first few jobs. If Orthopedics is your field, a stint at a regional hospital in a ski area is generally considered to be a necessary part of training.
Yeah ... these Sx branches are highly competitive and in demand from all med graduates especially those who have done from here. So, chances reduces sharply to get without experience in Swiss hospitals.


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Well the shortage is mostly not in those areas, where you are applying. So no reason to make it easy.

And I am quite sure that it is not only Switzerland, where foreign diplomas/trainings are not accepted at face value
Hi Roegner,

Have you got any name of place or hospital that you might know (where shortage is). I can apply there. I am ready for anywhere in german part of Switzerland.

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Re: Indian doctor needs help about Non EU degree!

Just a quick thing: it's not often you find someone on here that is flexible and determined. You seem to be investing time in learning the language because you understand how important it is and you seem to be flexible location-wise if there's a job opening even a bit further away. I think that's great, so kudos to you. Just thought you deserve some positive feedback
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Just a quick thing: it's not often you find someone on here that is flexible and determined. You seem to be investing time in learning the language because you understand how important it is and you seem to be flexible location-wise if there's a job opening even a bit further away. I think that's great, so kudos to you. Just thought you deserve some positive feedback
Thanks a lot for your appreciation.

Locationwise, it is not too much problematic for me in swiss train or other transportation because swiss is relatively small and easy to reach out almost anywhere in 2-3hrs. Unlike by Delhi metro, I travelled almost 1.5 hrs one way to job daily. So, it will not be problem for me to complaint about..

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