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Educational and Career Attainment for US Citizen Moving to Switzerland

Hello,

I am marrying a Swiss citizen before the year is ending. Right now I am here, enrolled in intensive German classes. I have a US bachelors degree.. Humanities with a minor in Sociology.

I am trying to figure out how, if at all, my degree is applicable in this part of the world. I do not mind starting from ground zero in the apprenticeship programs offered, although I have been told most people in their late twenties do not embark upon this. If not, what is the process I can go through to find a decent job after becoming proficient in German? Currently I am doing IT projects, but I am not certain this is what I want to specialize in.

If anyone can be of help, please let me know, thank you. Any questions or things needing clarification, feel free to ask.
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Re: Educational and Career Attainment for US Citizen Moving to Switzerland

What had you planned to do with your degree in the US?

If you give us an idea how you saw your career developing in the US it will be easier to give you suggestions as to what routes you might take here.
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Re: Educational and Career Attainment for US Citizen Moving to Switzerland

Hello, thank you for replying.

I originally wanted to go for a Master's, then Ph.D. in a sociology field. Political Science was what I was aiming for. I wanted to teach at the college level. I have not embarked upon this in the USA because of the current state of education and an oversaturated market.

In the non-academic sector, I am drawn to helping young adults with disabilities find employment.. Public policy for educational reforms.. Generally I would like a job that helps other people find their way.

I am also open to suggestions as well. There are many things that I would be happy to do.

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Re: Educational and Career Attainment for US Citizen Moving to Switzerland

A BA is a BA. It won't get you into a Masters program, but it will probably be recognised as equivalent to a Matura (at least for admission to a non professional field of study at a University).

Social work here seems to have a fair number of foreign people employed, at least at the level of direct contact with youth.

Getting into policy, or helping people find employment would probably demand more local knowledge than you have at the moment.

Try looking here:

https://www.zhaw.ch/en/university/

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http://sozialberufe.ch/d142d59f81ce5...ndbildung.html
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A BA is a BA. It won't get you into a Masters program, but it will probably be recognised as equivalent to a Matura (at least for admission to a non professional field of study at a University).
A BA (and BSc for that matter) is up from a Matura, isn't it? The Matura/baccalaureate comes before university (degree) level.
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It is. For the most part a North American BA will be seen as equivalent to a Matura when applying to a University here (or so it was).

With my BA. (hons) Philosophy, U. Windsor, Canada I enrolled in BSc Comp. Sci at UZH back in '90. without having to sit any entrance exams other than German proficiency (which was anyways verbal). There was a slight delay in the admissions process because I failed to submit a copy of my junior school certificate. (They are thorough, I'll give them that.) If I had wanted to attend the ETH as an undergrad I would have had to sit an Aufnahmeprüfung.
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Re: Educational and Career Attainment for US Citizen Moving to Switzerland

Perhaps with an interest in sociology you might want to study political science and find a job, career or future at the embassy.
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Re: Educational and Career Attainment for US Citizen Moving to Switzerland

Thank you all for your answers. I appreciate the responses. Okay, so I have the equivalent of a Matura. No problem. Am I best served by trying to acquire a US Master's degree? I am sure I can take courses online while I am here to accomplish this.. and then go to university with that? Or should I enter with my BA into a Swiss university?

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Thank you all for your answers. I appreciate the responses. Okay, so I have the equivalent of a Matura. No problem. Am I best served by trying to acquire a US Master's degree? I am sure I can take courses online while I am here to accomplish this.. and then go to university with that? Or should I enter with my BA into a Swiss university?

What is the process of paying for education here? Also, how can I thank posts?
You have the equivalent of at least a Matura within the humanities. Your plan is to marry and stay here, a Masters in the US would only delay the start of that adventure, probably cost a great deal more, and wouldn't really bring you an advantage.

Work on your German until you reach a level where you can follow the coursework, then enroll here, either in a degree or Fachausweis program.

Note that there are a great many "Erwachsenbildung" courses, and many other courses which you can audit (afaik without fees) to get an idea of if your German is at a good enough level to keep up. This (auditing) is also an excellent way to work on your German.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "process of paying", in general once accepted they will give you a payment slip before the beginning of each semester and you will pay your fees with that.
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It is. For the most part a North American BA will be seen as equivalent to a Matura when applying to a University here (or so it was).

With my BA. (hons) Philosophy, U. Windsor, Canada I enrolled in BSc Comp. Sci at UZH back in '90. without having to sit any entrance exams other than German proficiency (which was anyways verbal). There was a slight delay in the admissions process because I failed to submit a copy of my junior school certificate. (They are thorough, I'll give them that.) If I had wanted to attend the ETH as an undergrad I would have had to sit an Aufnahmeprüfung.
I am not sure your situation is quite so clear cut as some of the responses imply. I know people here who have entered masters degree programs here with a North American bachelor degree.

I suggest you look on websites for universities and universities of applied science in your area to see what is offered. If you find something of interest - and you may even find something taught in English - then contact the institution directly.
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Re: Educational and Career Attainment for US Citizen Moving to Switzerland

Many Masters are taught in English here so if you can get in to a uni with your Bachelors degree you could possibly take a Masters here. As for fees, well they're pretty low, but the cost of living tends to offset the tuition fees. That may not be a problem if your new husband is supporting you, but yearly costs for tuition, living expenses, etc, is between CHF21,000 and CHF30,000 a year depending on the uni.

Bear in mind you're going to have banking and tax problems to deal with once outside of the US. You have continuing obligations to file US tax returns and getting a bank here to accept you leaves you with a very limited choice. You'll have to sign a W-9 form to allow the bank to pass the account info on to the IRS and if you have a joint account with new hubby he'll have to sign one too - so keep any monetary dealings separate if you can.
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Update: Hello everyone, and thanks again for answering my questions and providing suggestions.

I have enrolled in a German course here via Migros Klubschule. So far, so good. I tested into A1, part 2. Passively I am amassing an understanding of written German and sentence structure. I can also hear words individually and understand what they mean. For example going from listening to the SBB announcements before hand and it sounding like a blob of something indecipherable to hearing word breaks, pauses, and understanding how certain words with dual usages can mean various things (ie. 'ohne' 'bis' 'um' 'ab' and so on). Actively it is very difficult to speak. Still I am working hard, and enjoying learning along the way.

I am waiting for my Diploma to arrive, so I have it as proof when applying to school programs. I am opting for English language Masters while I continue to learn German. I hope this better prepares me for the job market here.

Currently, I am supported by my partner and we live rather frugally. We have savings and a good set up. This will not last forever, but for now it is okay.

Please, if possible, can I have an honest assessment of my concerns. These are questions I am asking the forum based upon general feedback during my time here. Please bear with me and also, if things are too convoluted please let me know and I can rephrase.

1. Embarking upon a Master's at 29: If my degree is accepted and I can go into a Master's program, will I be too old to enter the job market upon completion of a program?

2. I know most internships are often given to students while at University, but because I am 'in limbo' being an applicant right now, is it a good idea to pitch myself to employers willing to take interns but offer myself for a cheaper rate? I have some research experience, but I really need to develop a professional work experience that can be added to a CV in order to remain competitive. To me, the experience is something I am willing to trade for less money. I am very much willing to work for peanuts.

3. Technical writing. Forgive me for asking this, as I am sure it is a heavily discussed topic. What is the deal here? Is there a way to get freelance work or anything at all in this field with a Humanities/Sociology background? Writing is my bread in butter in an academic sense. I am not professionally trained, but would love to get my foot in the door in this field. I understand Switzerland is home to many English speakers, thus I am not expecting a miracle. I want to know what paths are viable and which ones are not so I can better understand my way in this society.

Thank you.

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Re: Educational and Career Attainment for US Citizen Moving to Switzerland

I don't want to be a downer and if you really apply yourself and have fab language acquisition skills - it can work. But. An honest pov, if you feel that US academ. job market is saturated, it is not different here. En plus, you will be up against trilingual/quadrilingual younger colleagues. I would not move to CH and try to have a tertiary edu career in sociology. You might get a miniscule teaching/service/research part-time job. A dear local friend with a local sociology PhD is happily building up her career outside of CH, it seems easier. And she is fluently quadrilingual.
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I don't want to be a downer and if you really apply yourself and have fab language acquisition skills - it can work. But. An honest pov, if you feel that US academ. job market is saturated, it is not different here. En plus, you will be up against trilingual/quadrilingual younger colleagues. I would not move to CH and try to have a tertiary edu career in sociology. You might get a miniscule teaching/service/research part-time job. A dear local friend with a local sociology PhD is happily building up her career outside of CH, it seems easier. And she is fluently quadrilingual.
Not much good if they're marrying a Swiss national and they want to live here though is it?
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I may have missed it, but do you have any semi-relevant work experience? Assuming you graduated at around age 22, what have you been doing for the past 7 years? I only seem to find information on what you wanted to do, but not what you actually ended up doing. Granted, I just skimmed the thread, so sorry if I missed it.

1. Embarking upon a Master's at 29: If my degree is accepted and I can go into a Master's program, will I be too old to enter the job market upon completion of a program?

Too old maybe not, but your age won't make it easier for sure. While Masters degrees are important here in many or even most fields, I cannot assess whether they are in yours. Let's assume you get in, you will be at least 32 and well, you'll be competing with 24-year olds who speak several languages fluently in a market that is probably just as oversaturated here like elsewhere (if not more so).

2. I know most internships are often given to students while at University, but because I am 'in limbo' being an applicant right now, is it a good idea to pitch myself to employers willing to take interns but offer myself for a cheaper rate?

Not really common here. You can try, but I wouldn't count on this working out.

Can't answer the third question.

I have to agree with MusicChick in many respects, though I see how "not moving here" is not an option at this point, apparently.

That being said, I think chances of you finding a job, any job, are pretty slim. That is based on the info you provided. Going for a Masters may still be your best bet and at least increase your chances slightly. And it probably beats sitting around for years... Honestly, financial situation permitting, I think I would probably enrol in university if I were you - provided obviously your degree is recognized - and continue looking for a job at the same time. You can always drop out or defer for a while if you find some work after all.

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The odds are pretty grim. My partner, however, is set on living here. What, if anything, can I do outside of academia if chances are this slim?

In regards to what I have done. I did some research projects, worked in the service industry to pay my way through school. Due to health issues and unfortunate circumstances I was not able to graduate at 22.

I don't have a 7 year employment gap, but what is on my resume perhaps might not be relevant to my field.
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The odds are pretty grim. My partner, however, is set on living here. What, if anything, can I do outside of academia if chances are this slim?
Depends on what you're willing to do. There are temp agencies like Manpower, and you might be able to find short-term gigs with them. Another poster recently shared his story of getting a job at McDonald's without much German knowledge.

A friend of mine is an online teacher for classes in the U.S. I don't know how it works exactly, but I'm sure Google could point you in the right direction.

Congrats on your upcoming marriage!
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Exactly. If you want something in or related to your field it may prove very difficult. If you're prepared to do anything then as your German improves so may your job prospects. Whether this thread will help or not I don't know, but food for thought.

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This won't help with your job search, but if the above is a long term goal, have you looked into volunteering in those fields as a way to learn more about how the Swiss system works, and where you could eventually fit in?

For instance, your location is Richterswil - a quick peek at their website shows a number of youth programs:
http://www.richterswil.ch/preview/de...wohnen/jugend/

Including a link to a regional group that might be of interest, a group that helps with social and work integration:
http://www.snh-zv.ch/de/

Now - I have no idea if any of these groups take volunteers (in Switzerland much that is done by vounteers in other countries is professional here.) But why not inquire? Perhaps try to speak to the director of some local programs that interest you, ask if you can be of help. Or ask how one gets into this kind of community work, what education is needed. Start local and network.

Obviously you will need fluent German/Swiss German to work in these fields - but volunteering, at any level, might be a way to speed the process along.

Now back to the job search to take care of immediate needs...
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If I were an English-speaker looking for a job, these are some steps I would consider taking:

1. Meet with RAV for job search ideas (while recognizing that RAV will not likely provide unemployment compensation).
a. Request access (a code) to jobagent.ch
- Use this database to search for English speaking jobs
b. Inquire whether RAV would provide support for an A2 German course (after the MigrosKlub is completed)

This link lists RAV centers in canton Zurich; Richterswil residents use RAV Thalwil:

http://www.awa.zh.ch/internet/volksw...standorte.html

2. Search indeed.ch and job-room.ch on "English" for jobs requiring English

3. Search on "English" on other job boards listed at aso.ch:

http://aso.ch/en/consultation/back-t...-to-find-a-job

4. Do the above three mornings or afternoons a week and repeat!

5. Consider joining a volunteer group to develop contacts, e.g.:

https://www.srk-zuerich.ch/srk/Ich-m...-a-difference/

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