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University Advice needed.

Hi,

I am from Germany, but since the last six years I have been living in Pakistan. Studied till Grade 5 in Germany at a Gymnasium. I completed O levels in Pakistan and I'm currently doing A Levels.

I want to apply for a Bachelors in Computer Science (and AI).
I gave the exam "German as A Second Language" in O Levels in which I got an A* without preparation. Although, I'll be preparing this time for the Goethe C1 Exam , I am not sure where I currently stand (I forgot a lot German over the years).

My plan is to apply to ETHZ but the living cost are quite high.
I believe they do give a 40% Scholarship, but even then I will require funding other than my parents. What are my options for funding ? Am I going in the right direction ?

*My counselors at school are not familiar with admission in Europe, let alone for someone with German Nationality. Most kids apply to US anyway.

My Grades:
CIE O LEVEL : 7A*3A 1B (German, English, Urdu, Phy, Chem, Comp Sci, Math, Additional Math, Stats, Pakistan Studies (B) , Isl)
A1 (AS) : 5A* (Phy, Chem, Comp Sci, Maths, Further Maths)
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Old 15.06.2017, 18:43
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Re: University Advice needed.

why don't you study in Germany where education is free for German nationals?
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Re: University Advice needed.

Check with ETHZ.

https://www.ethz.ch/en/studies/financial.html

https://www.ethz.ch/students/en/stud...olarships.html

Otherwise, you could check if there's any scholarships available in Pakistan you could apply for to help.

Alternatively, look at studying in Germany where uni tuition is free for international students so that would reduce some of your costs. Whether that would apply to German nationals living abroad I don't know. You could also check whether Germany offers any scholarships for its nationals studying abroad.
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Re: University Advice needed.

1. Most German Unis want a Language in AS/A Level, I dont have one.
2.They want C2 in German which is not possible here
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Old 15.06.2017, 18:52
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Re: University Advice needed.

This is what you need at the ETHZ:

Goethe-Zertifikat C1 mit mindestens Prädikat 'gut' (www.goethe.de)
Goethe-Zertifikat C2 (alle Teilprüfungen bestanden), ZOP, KDS und GDS (www.goethe.de)
TestDaF ab Niveau 4 in allen Teilprüfungen (www.testdaf.de)
ÖSD Zertifikat C1 mit mindestens Beurteilung "gut bestanden" (www.osd.at)
DSH-3 (nur die registrierte ® Deutsche Sprachprüfung für den Hochschulzugang ausländischer Studienbewerber)
Deutsches Sprachdiplom der Kultusministerkonferenz – Zweite Stufe mit mindestens "C1" in jedem einzelnen Prüfungsteil
Bescheinigungen der Schule und im Reifezeugnis über Deutschkenntnisse - auch auf Niveau C2 - sowie Ergänzungsprüfungen in Deutsch zum Erwerb eines deutschen Abiturs oder eines österreichischen Reifezeugnisses im Ausland ersetzen nicht das Einreichen eines Sprachzertifikats.

But then that is one part of being accepted
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Re: University Advice needed.

I am going for this one : "Goethe-Zertifikat C1 mit mindestens Prädikat 'gut'", I am quite confident I can get it.

Do we have a german national here who has successfully got a scholarship (Ausland Bafög, DAAD) to study in Switzerland ?
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Re: University Advice needed.

Excuse me i didn't get some stuff.

Are you a German national(have a German passport)?

I applied to ETHZ and rejected, so what i recommend to you is to have some other prizes or successful projects on top of good grades. Especially CS at ETHZ is very popular

But keep in mind it's really expensive in ZH, i don't know if your parents are doing good and can support you but even with scholarship it costs a lot.

I probably couldn't go even if i was accepted.

I would recommend you to go with German universities though cause it's free if you are a citizen.

Good luck.
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Do we have a german national here who has successfully got a scholarship (Ausland Bafög, DAAD) to study in Switzerland ?
Better check a German forum in Switzerland or check if the uni has a forum for students.
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well..... why not start here....

https://www.ethz.ch/content/associat...tipendien.html
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Do we have a german national here who has successfully got a scholarship (Ausland Bafög, DAAD) to study in Switzerland ?
No. But to be honest: The DAADs job is not to pay you an education. Their mission is to make sure there is enough academic exchange happening between Germany and the rest of the world. So they are much more likely to send a student of a German university abroad for a certain period of time, not to support an entire education abroad.

Simply put: What's in it for them?

Overall is the entire Bafog process one major pain...

Honestly: ETHZ is a great university. But living here for an entire undergraduate period is really a lot more costly than in Germany and I think the admission costs will not be the biggest problem.

There are some pretty good technical universities in Germany that aren't as swamped with international applications as eth. If you got some good grades and ideally some projects to show your interests am I sure they'll be much more flexible than what you read on their website.

Rule of thumb: The more south you go, the stricter are the universities with the admission details. So it would be harder to get into the technical university of Munich than the one of Berlin or Hamburg.
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1. Most German Unis want a Language in AS/A Level, I dont have one.
2.They want C2 in German which is not possible here
No. C1 is the requisite level. C2 is the required level for people wishing to teach German. A pre-requisite of university is, however, the ability to do your own research.
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Re: University Advice needed.

But maybe he wants to study management, in which case a readiness to delegate is important.

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No. C1 is the requisite level. C2 is the required level for people wishing to teach German. A pre-requisite of university is, however, the ability to do your own research.
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Re: University Advice needed.

Many thanks for the useful info.

What I like about ETHZ is not only that some of the courses are in English after the first year but also the diversity of the student body as opposed to unis in Germany. I do not want to do a complete bachelors in German Language only but If I have to - I will.

Also the living cost given on the ETH website seem to be a little on the higher side. WOKA rooms are half the price + I dont need expensive health insurance as I can get the European Health Insurance Card. I did the math and I think I can survive if I get the scholarship.

I think it is worth the try. What do you guys think ?

And does anyone know what kind of residence permit I get, I read somewhere that EU citizens have to apply for it.

Thanks again.
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Many thanks for the useful info.

What I like about ETHZ is not only that some of the courses are in English after the first year but also the diversity of the student body as opposed to unis in Germany. I do not want to do a complete bachelors in German Language only but If I have to - I will.

Also the living cost given on the ETH website seem to be a little on the higher side. WOKA rooms are half the price + I dont need expensive health insurance as I can get the European Health Insurance Card. I did the math and I think I can survive if I get the scholarship.

I think it is worth the try. What do you guys think ?

And does anyone know what kind of residence permit I get, I read somewhere that EU citizens have to apply for it.

Thanks again.
No, you may be able to get an exemption if you have a EHIC card, but you have to apply for the exemption and get it approved.

https://www.ethz.ch/en/studies/inter...insurance.html

You'd have to check, but I assume you'd need to be a resident in Germany to get the card, not just a German national, so that may not be possible.

The EHIC card won't cover you here otherwise as it only applies to tourists and emergency cover. If you're a resident here, which you will be, it's useless.

There are a few insurance companies that offer student insurance for around CHF100 a month. Factor that into your calculations just in case you can't get the EHIC/exemption as health insurance cover is mandatory for everyone in Switzerland.
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Re: University Advice needed.

I'm from the US. I did my undergrad in Germany and then transferred here for Grad School. Saved myself a ton of money. The admission process in Germany was easier. The costs were much lower. The student body is just as diverse (or not for that matter). Courses are rarely, if ever, offered purely in English when you're doing your Bachelor's degree (even at ETH). The TUM Munich is just as good of a contender in a lot of ways. Ultimately your call.
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What I like about ETHZ is not only that some of the courses are in English after the first year but also the diversity of the student body as opposed to unis in Germany. I do not want to do a complete bachelors in German Language only but If I have to - I will.
I used to be a tutor for first year students at ETHZ, here are some observations:
  • There are NOT many foreigners enrolled for undergraduate studies. With your background, I think you would stand out, not necessarily in a good way.
  • There IS a lot of diversity regarding graduate students (MSc and PhD level).
  • I assume you have read about the exam (Basisprüfung), usually in August after the first year? I have seen several (Swiss) people collapsing under stress because of this set of exams. If you fail, you are out. In your case, it is a big investment.
  • Language: For CS, C1 in Hochdeutsch might be sufficient. However, without any Swiss German you will fall behind in socialising, which is important for group projects and so on. Swiss people from the French and Italian parts of Switzerland also have a hard time at ETHZ.
I wish you the best for your future. I believe that Germany would be a better option in your situation.
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Re: University Advice needed.

You've probably decided by now, but I also wanted to share my experiences from my PhD (and TAing) at ETH, and from my girlfriend's application to a bachelor's program.

The application procedure is admittedly a mess, with a lot of paperwork involved. It is quite easy to get in, though, because there is no (mandatory) admission test (although this might depend on what country you are coming from).
I felt that there were many foreigners, even among the undergraduates, although most of them came from Germany or Austria, of course.
Not understanding Swiss German can probably be an issue with socializing, but not otherwise.
The courses that I saw are generally in (high) German the first year, German or English in the second year and English in the third year.

I think ZH routinely provide health insurance exemptions to students that have the EHIC card, but be aware that this card is worth nothing if you are uninsured in the issuing country.
Even if you can't get your foreign insurance accepted, Swisscare provides relatively cheap insurance for students (but it's still about 800 francs a year).
Zurich is expensive, although I could get by without spending nearly as much as the official cost of living.
I believe students generally get B permits, but it depends on their citizenship how long the it will be valid for (i.e., how often they would need to renew it).

All in all, ETH is a good school with a good name. If you can afford studying there and you are confident that you will get good grades, then I definitely recommend.
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Re: University Advice needed.

This is hands down one of the best forums I have ever visited. Thank you for replying to this thread.

I could not apply to ETH. Despite the comprehensive list of courses I have taken at A levels, I still have one thing missing.

According to Swissuniversities.ch :
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GCE with 3 Advanced Levels in: 1. mathematics; 2. physics or chemistry or biology, 3. language of instruction or foreign language with minimum grade A (A-Levels) resp.
So I have got, Physics, Chemistry, Computer Science, Maths, Further Maths
but I am still missing a language.

I am currently applying to TU Delft in Netherlands which is also quite good and maybe if I get the opportunity to transfer to ETH, I would gladly take it.

Thanks again to everyone who shared their advice.
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