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Old 13.09.2017, 23:32
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Re: DaZ (German as 2nd language) lessons

Sorry but getting unsatisfactory (ungenügend) and cancelling the DaZ is not only a joke but contradictory. Ask the teacher the explain why and what's the strategy to address the ungenügend.

They need to be accountable for their decisions and explain the reasoning. Sorry but they are there to provide a public service. They don't like being challenged but it can be done if you do it right.

You are absolutely entitled to ask why plus how they will resolve the ungenügend as that's a failing of the teaching not addressing the needs of the child's needs
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Re: DaZ (German as 2nd language) lessons

I would expect the teachers to tell us if Daz was cancelled, especially if your son was kept down because his language wasn't good enough. We are also canton Bern and around May they let us know that this year Daz was going to be 1 afternoon in another town where they have 3 schools meet to do it. It is separated into 2 age groups. Our boys are also lucky enough to have another double of Daz in their school. I'm not sure why this happened. There were a few teacher changes and they obviously were able to fit it into the timetable so we potentially could have avoided the trip to the other town and my oldest has to miss his favourite class, sport to go, but we are taking advantage of free German lessons! What I am finding is helping this year is also his new class teacher. She has brought some great things into the shared class 2/3. We are a lot more informed of what is going on. He has to read out loud in German every night for 15mins, they don't mind what he reads and it gets marked off in a book. I think this is really good for him. She has also introduced something similar for practicing math. She is also their French teacher so has had lots of practice learning and teaching languages. She has also introduced earplugs for quiet work which I think helps my son concentrate more. At Daz in the other town I was disappointed to hear that they use ipads for the older kids but my son does like this. They use multidingsda which I have accessed via my PC as well. I totally understand that your son wants you to speak English. Our oldest gets angry when my husband speaks Swiss or German with him. My youngest is a lot more accommodating
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But probably not worth the fight just now.
No! Were just happy he's finally trying to read.

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I do not know which of them are better. But I think there is a reason why the traditional ones do not have a groves/knobs etc. where you can count. Because you should not count. You should get an inherent fell for 2, 5, 8 etc.
I must have missed that memo! Are you saying he should be able to look at a group of things and just 'know' how many there are without counting them?

I recently bought a maths app in an attempt to interest him which uses exactly these sticks. The main problem now is he blocks as soon as he even thinks it might have something to do with maths. Thanks for the links to the sets, I shall get him some.
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I recently bought a maths app in an attempt to interest him which uses exactly these sticks. The main problem now is he blocks as soon as he even thinks it might have something to do with maths. Thanks for the links to the sets, I shall get him some.
Oh, crap if he has already given the sticks the "bad math" attribute. Let him just play with them. The wooden ones are perfect for that. They really have to be felt and touched. Math is not just an abstract concept which is all in the head.

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I must have missed that memo! Are you saying he should be able to look at a group of things and just 'know' how many there are without counting them?
Kind of. Not in a Rain Man way. For single items of the same kind up to seven is normal for most people. We do not count 1 - 2 - 3 - 4, four apples, we normally see 4-apples, like we see the letter W and not four connected up and down strokes. We know that 4 is always 4 ⁞, ...., :: regardless how it is arranged or presented. But as I said the relationship of the numbers is also important like that 4 is half of 8. Or more advanced 27 is 3 times 9 or 3 times 7 plus 6.

I am a Lego fan (which may influence my enthusiasm for this sticks), and I really enjoyed playing with Lego. If I saw a gap of 8 I knew I could fill it with an 8 or two 4 or two 3 and a 2. If I searched for an 8 in the pile I knew I found an 8 without counting the knobs. But I had to count the 10 or 12 or compare it to an 8 which I used as reference.
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I must have missed that memo! Are you saying he should be able to look at a group of things and just 'know' how many there are without counting them?
Yes - that's why they do these visual exercises with groups of things on a page that they write the number next to (bugs seems popular, or balloons), or dice and stuff. Our daughters seemed to do it endlessly.

If you think about it, if you look at a group of thngs you know how many there are without counting. I just checked myself (magnets on a board across the room from me!) - anything up to about ten I just know; anything more is "more than ten"
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If you think about it, if you look at a group of thngs you know how many there are without counting. I just checked myself (magnets on a board across the room from me!) - anything up to about ten I just know; anything more is "more than ten"
Really? I've been testing myself so far this morning. 1,2,3,4 I seem to recognise. If its 5, I think it's 5 but immediately start counting to double check and above that I have to count.
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Another organisation which may be able to provide some advice is ASK www.allspecialkids.org.
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