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Old 07.12.2017, 18:34
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Jeez, and everyone's complaining about the teacher losing their cool....

That was a class of eight-year olds. What's EF?
There will be more than hair-pulling if they carry on.
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Old 07.12.2017, 18:38
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There will be more than hair-pulling if they carry on.
As my mother used to ask, when my sister and I were having a fight, "Do I need to get the wooden spoon out?"

She never actually hit either of us, as far as I remember, but the allusion to it was effective enough.
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Old 07.12.2017, 18:44
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There will be more than hair-pulling if they carry on.
Ah well, hald of them are probably bald
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Old 07.12.2017, 18:46
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There will be more than hair-pulling if they carry on.
No, not good discipline! Back ye get to Mod school, Ace.

Make 'em write lines. A post with lots and lots of lines.. more fun for the rest of us.
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Old 07.12.2017, 20:50
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Re: Teacher Pulling Child's Hair

Probably not relevant.
Is your "kid" a boy or a girl?
When we were at school, our hair (boys) was knocking on skinhead (short back and sides).
Mainly due to fear of nits or head lice.
I agree that the teacher should not violently pull a kid by the hair - unless the shelf is dangerous to the kid. My first question in my head was "why can they not put their feet on the shelf"
Is it just some arbitary rule in the class? A control mechanism? Teaching tool?
My sister teaches 8-9 year olds in Liverpool - she has a class of 36 children which she has managed for the last 25 years with no complaints. (OK every year a new set of inmates)
Maybe it is the parents that are too hands on - mirco managing their little protogies.
Myself, I have enough hassle with 2 or 3 kids around me.
I would not believe 100% what my kid told me about his teacher when he was 8 years old - or my stepson, or my 5 step grandchildren.
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Old 08.12.2017, 09:25
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Re: Teacher Pulling Child's Hair

It would be quite interesting to hear the teacher's version. Completely relying on the words of an 8yr old, who may well have something to hide, can be quite misleading.
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Old 08.12.2017, 09:37
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It would be quite interesting to hear the teacher's version. Completely relying on the words of an 8yr old, who may well have something to hide, can be quite misleading.
Although one would have to be aware that teachers can also lie and twist the true - especially knowing that disciplinary proceedings may be on the cards for them.
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Old 08.12.2017, 10:15
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It would be quite interesting to hear the teacher's version. Completely relying on the words of an 8yr old, who may well have something to hide, can be quite misleading.
No matter what an 8 year old has done, she is in charge and should manage behaviour as per her job description/profession without losing control and pulling a child's hair. If she is struggling to manage, then she needs to ask for immediate help & support internally from management.

My thoughts though, if she has done the hair pulling to control poor behaviour from an 8 year old, then she needs to find another job.
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Old 08.12.2017, 10:17
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It would be quite interesting to hear the teacher's version. Completely relying on the words of an 8yr old, who may well have something to hide, can be quite misleading.
Young kids are awful liars until they get older and if they stick to a very consistent story and details when questioned multiple times then it is generally a good bet to be the truth.

It's the teacher I would be more wary of as their word as adults in positions of responsibility is often taken as gospel even when they lie.
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My thoughts though, if she has done the hair pulling to control poor behaviour from an 8 year old, then she needs to find another job.
Being very blunt, my thoughts are that if the parent dragged the teacher to the principal's office by the hair, it would be assault and rightly so. I fail to see how it can be viewed any differently just because a child was on the receiving end.
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Old 08.12.2017, 11:51
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No matter what an 8 year old has done, she is in charge and should manage behaviour as per her job description/profession without losing control and pulling a child's hair. If she is struggling to manage, then she needs to ask for immediate help & support internally from management.

My thoughts though, if she has done the hair pulling to control poor behaviour from an 8 year old, then she needs to find another job.
I agree, provided the description of events is accurate. You appear to accept the boy's word as the truth, without considering the possibility of a lie. Yet, however big or small the chance for that it's non-zero. EF members however appear to know that this doesn't apply even though they weren't present.
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I agree, provided the description of events is accurate. You appear to accept the boy's word as the truth, without considering the possibility of a lie. Yet, however big or small the chance for that it's non-zero. EF members however appear to know that this doesn't apply even though they weren't present.
No. I believe the kid's Mum, the OP.

Parents tend to know their kids really well and by asking the right sort of questions, you can always get to the facts quite easily.

I can spot a lie or a half truth a mile away.. all I have to do is look at my kids with one eyebrow raised, not say a word, and the truth comes tumbling out
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It would be quite interesting to hear the teacher's version. Completely relying on the words of an 8yr old, who may well have something to hide, can be quite misleading.
+1 to this. Unfortunately the world is not only black and white...
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Re: Teacher Pulling Child's Hair

The teacher will be phoning me this afternoon.
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The teacher will be phoning me this afternoon.
Much better to do it in person where you can look them in the eyes when making your judgements. I would not deal with this by phone.
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Much better to do it in person where you can look them in the eyes when making your judgements. I would not deal with this by phone.
But there is also the risk of discussion getting too heated up.
As a first contact I think phone call is fine, there is plenty of time to meet in person afterwards.
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But there is also the risk of discussion getting too heated up.
As a first contact I think phone call is fine, there is plenty of time to meet in person afterwards.
Unless you are a native or good speaker, it is much easier to do it face to face.
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Re: Teacher Pulling Child's Hair

I agree, I would prefer to speak in person. We'll see what her story is, and I will probably suggest that we meet at the school. I have time today, and she's there.
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Re: Teacher Pulling Child's Hair

Got the call, and I asked if we could meet at the school to talk about it. So, I'll keep you all updated!
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Old 08.12.2017, 14:34
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I agree, I would prefer to speak in person. We'll see what her story is, and I will probably suggest that we meet at the school. I have time today, and she's there.
In which language will you communicate with her? If your German is not very good it's better to ask a friend who is a native speaker to come with you. She might play the card "My English is not very good so I'm going to use High German" with you.....in which case you might be disadvantaged.
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