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University Choice PLEASE HELP !!!

Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum so I will introduce myself first. I am actually in the last semester of my Bachelor in Business Administration at the University of Montreal and would like to apply to a Swiss university to do my Master's degree.

I speak French and English fluently and also German (B1 level) and Italian (B2 level - I could probably become fluent in Italian if I spend 8-12 months in Ticino, as I am pretty good at learning languages) so languages are not really an issue for me...except maybe Swiss German as I find it quite difficult

I have a few universities in mind and I cannot decide which one to choose...maybe some of you could help me out a bit So, I decided to apply to the Msc in Management at the University of Fribourg and University of Lausanne and to the Msc in Marketing at the University of St. Gallen and Università della Svizzera Italiana (USI).

Now, my first choice would be the Msc in Marketing at the Università della Svizzera Italiana, as I have fallen in LOVE with the city and the region when I visited for the first time last summer, but I have a few concerns about this university;

1) How reputable is this university in Switzerland ? ... as I cannot find much information about it on the internet.

2) What are the chances for me to find work in Lugano or elsewhere in CH (I would prefer to remain in Lugano or Ticino) after I have completed an Msc in Marketing from USI ? As I currently do not have any experience in the field...(I know that I have 6 months after I finish my master's degree to find a job and the law that favours the CH & EU citizens over anyone else does not apply during that time)

3) I know that I cannot work for the first 6 months with a student Visa, but after that, what are the chances for me to find a part-time job (or internship) in Lugano, given that I am not perfectly fluent in Italian yet and I have heard that Ticino isn't really strong economically speaking....

4) Has anyone been to USI ? How are the professors ? The students ? Is it easy to make new friends ? Are the courses difficult ? Are the locals friendly ? I would be really grateful for any piece of information !!!

Finally, the cost of living and the tuition fees aren't really a problem for me as I have some money put aside, so the financial point of view doesn't have an impact on my choice of university...even though I would still like to work part-time during my studies.

Also, what do you guys think about the other universities (Fribourg, Lausanne, St. Gallen) ? Has anyone been to one of them ? Could you share your experience ?

Thanks a lot in advance !
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1) How reputable is this university in Switzerland ? ... as I cannot find much information about it on the internet.
1) Its a state university, so when it comes to quality or acceptance are you on the safe side.
2) Its a very small and very young university. It has nowhere near the reputation of the other schools you listed. The other three are some of the top schools in the country...

Bottom line> if you just want to study in Ticino and do it for the experience, go for it. If you are the type of person who cares where the school is in some university ranking, better go to St Gallen or Lausanne...
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1) Its a state university, so when it comes to quality or acceptance are you on the safe side.
2) Its a very small and very young university. It has nowhere near the reputation of the other schools you listed. The other three are some of the top schools in the country...

Bottom line> if you just want to study in Ticino and do it for the experience, go for it. If you are the type of person who cares where the school is in some university ranking, better go to St Gallen or Lausanne...
Thanks a lot for your response !!

Do you know or heard of someone that attended USI ?? Is it easy to find a job in Switzerland after graduating with a Master from USI ?
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3) Seems to vary from uni to uni. This is what ETHZ has to say.

https://www.ethz.ch/en/studies/inter...mployment.html

EPFL:

https://sae.epfl.ch/work-permit

2) Who knows? Since the position has to be of scientific or economic importance to Switzerland I'm not sure a Marketing or Business Admin degree would land you a job here.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...abgaenger.html

https://sae.epfl.ch/stay-Switzerland-third-country

And as for the finances you'll probably need to show you have around CHF20,000 in a Swiss bank account or a bank that has a branch in Switzerland to meet that criteria.

https://www.ethz.ch/en/studies/financial.html

https://sae.epfl.ch/visa-help#faq-634656
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3) Seems to vary from uni to uni. This is what ETHZ has to say.

https://www.ethz.ch/en/studies/inter...mployment.html

EPFL:

https://sae.epfl.ch/work-permit

2) Who knows? Since the position has to be of scientific or economic importance to Switzerland I'm not sure a Marketing or Business Admin degree would land you a job here.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...abgaenger.html

https://sae.epfl.ch/stay-Switzerland-third-country

And as for the finances you'll probably need to show you have around CHF20,000 in a Swiss bank account or a bank that has a branch in Switzerland to meet that criteria.

https://www.ethz.ch/en/studies/financial.html

https://sae.epfl.ch/visa-help#faq-634656
Thank you for your response and for the links !!

What would be a position of economic importance to Switzerland then ??
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Only the Swiss authorities could tell you that when your prospective employer applies for a permit for you.
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Thank you for your response and for the links !!

What would be a position of economic importance to Switzerland then ??
Most likely a position that is essential in the development of a product that has uniqueness and the potential to bring a lot of revenue to Switzerland. Or some job that improved tax income etc.

It's unlikely that the Swiss authorities would consider a fresh marketing graduate without experience is in a position to create that economic return.
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Most likely a position that is essential in the development of a product that has uniqueness and the potential to bring a lot of revenue to Switzerland. Or some job that improved tax income etc.

It's unlikely that the Swiss authorities would consider a fresh marketing graduate without experience is in a position to create that economic return.
On the website of the State Secretariat for Migration, it says that "The amendment provides for foreign nationals graduating from a Swiss university-level institution to be on an equal footing with Swiss nationals when it comes to entering the Swiss labor market."

How am I on an equal footing with Swiss nationals if I have to prove that my position will have an economic importance for Switzerland, while Swiss nationals don't have to...

It seems to me a bit of a contradiction, since Swiss nationals can get pretty much any job when entering the Swiss labor market, while I clearly can't ...
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Agreed it's not 100% equal footing. Maybe read the French version of the text, the translation may not be precise enough.

However as a non-CH/EU, this ruling is a major advantage compared to the normal situation. Without the ruling, a hiring company would need to show it had advertised and interviewed and failed to find a suitable candidate in the CH/EU pool before making an offer to a non-CH/EU candidate.

However.....your reaction raises alarm bells for me. Sure, the webpage is not 100% accurate, and you would not be on the same footing as locals. But....if you don't like rules and regulations....or don't want to have different rules apply to you as a non-local/non-long-time-resident, Switzerland is NOT the place for you to come.
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Thanks a lot for your response !!

Do you know or heard of someone that attended USI ?? Is it easy to find a job in Switzerland after graduating with a Master from USI ?
I met a couple of Italians who attended USI for their Masters in architecture. Both got excellent jobs in Zürich afterwards.

In regard to Lugano or Ticino, it's a small economy in general terms compared to Geneva, Zürich, or Basel, thus less jobs opportunities. If I were you,I would go there with open mind and not worry too much about getting a job in Lugano. If it's possible, cool, but if not, that's not the end of the world.

Out of curiosity, why do you want to stay in Lugano? Don't take me wrong, I love it, it's a beautiful and clean city, better weather than the rest of CH, good connections to Milan, Zürich, etc., but I don't think it's the place to be if you are an young professional. Also, it's so small that you will pretty much see the same people if you go regularly to bars and clubs. I think it's a good place to retire though.
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Agreed it's not 100% equal footing. Maybe read the French version of the text, the translation may not be precise enough.

However as a non-CH/EU, this ruling is a major advantage compared to the normal situation. Without the ruling, a hiring company would need to show it had advertised and interviewed and failed to find a suitable candidate in the CH/EU pool before making an offer to a non-CH/EU candidate.

However.....your reaction raises alarm bells for me. Sure, the webpage is not 100% accurate, and you would not be on the same footing as locals. But....if you don't like rules and regulations....or don't want to have different rules apply to you as a non-local/non-long-time-resident, Switzerland is NOT the place for you to come.
What a ton of bowlshit. If she/he graduates from a Swiss University, during six months after graduation he/she is in equal terms as a Swiss or EU recent grad to find a job.
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Agreed it's not 100% equal footing. Maybe read the French version of the text, the translation may not be precise enough.

However as a non-CH/EU, this ruling is a major advantage compared to the normal situation. Without the ruling, a hiring company would need to show it had advertised and interviewed and failed to find a suitable candidate in the CH/EU pool before making an offer to a non-CH/EU candidate.

However.....your reaction raises alarm bells for me. Sure, the webpage is not 100% accurate, and you would not be on the same footing as locals. But....if you don't like rules and regulations....or don't want to have different rules apply to you as a non-local/non-long-time-resident, Switzerland is NOT the place for you to come.
I see...I read the French version of the text and it is much more clear now. Thank you!

I did not say that I do not like rules and regulations and that I expect to be treated as a local, I understand the situation perfectly. It's just that I expected clearer regulations coming from a government website, but I guess it was just a misunderstanding on my part..
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Not quite Capo.

https://carriere.epfl.ch/files/conte...%20EN%20v2.pdf

Also section 4.4.6 of the Foreign Nationals Act:

"4.4.6 Profit-making activity after studies in Switzerland (Article 21, paragraph 3 LEtr)

Foreigners graduating from a Swiss university (see definition in section 5.1.3) may be admitted for the purpose of gainful employment at the end of their studies if this activity is of major scientific or economic interest. (Article 21, paragraph 3, LEtr).

This regulation makes it possible, in particular, for Swiss companies and Swiss academic centers to recruit specialists who have successfully completed their studies in Switzerland and who are well or highly qualified. This includes graduates from a Swiss university in areas where they can apply the knowledge they have acquired to a high level and where there is no real offer of sufficient manpower. As a general rule, this concerns activities in the fields of research, development, the implementation of new technologies or the application of know-how acquired in fields of activity which are of paramount economic interest.

A lucrative activity is of paramount economic interest when there is a proven need for manpower in the sector of activity corresponding to the training and the orientation is highly specialized and in line with the position to provide. Likewise, the occupation of the post allows for the immediate creation of new jobs or the creation of new mandates for the Swiss economy (ATAF of May 2, 2012 / C-674/2011). Excluded are sectors of activity which have no direct link with the studies completed (eg administrative tasks or employment unrelated to the studies completed).

The admission of this category of persons takes place without examination of the rule on the priority of the workers (article 21, paragraph 3, LEtr). On the other hand, other conditions of admission for the exercise of a lucrative activity, are provided for in art. 20 sec LEtr. The prior decision of the cantonal labor market authorities must be submitted to the SEM for approval.

The stay to find a job after the end of studies is regulated by art. 21, para. 3, LEtr (see also chapter 5.1.3)."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/content/dam...ngen-aug-f.pdf
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I met a couple of Italians who attended USI for their Masters in architecture. Both got excellent jobs in Zürich afterwards.

In regard to Lugano or Ticino, it's a small economy in general terms compared to Geneva, Zürich, or Basel, thus less jobs opportunities. If I were you,I would go there with open mind and not worry too much about getting a job in Lugano. If it's possible, cool, but if not, that's not the end of the world.

Out of curiosity, why do you want to stay in Lugano? Don't take me wrong, I love it, it's a beautiful and clean city, better weather than the rest of CH, good connections to Milan, Zürich, etc., but I don't think it's the place to be if you are an young professional. Also, it's so small that you will pretty much see the same people if you go regularly to bars and clubs. I think it's a good place to retire though.
Thanks a lot for your response !!

Haha...that is exactly why I want to stay in Lugano and why I liked it more than any other city in Switzerland...It is sunny, beautiful, clean, close to Italy and a few hours from Zurich and I found the locals to be a bit more approachable and relaxed than the rest of Swiss people...but maybe it's only my impression, I don't know since I only stayed in Lugano for a few days. PLUS I love the Italian language and the Italian culture in general, so being close to Italy would allow me to visit it more often.

I know that a lot of young people go to Zurich or Basel to work because these Cantons are much more strong economically, but money isn't the most important thing for me...I would rather live in a nice laid-back city such as Lugano than living under stress in a big city such as Zurich or Basel, and that's also why I would like to leave Montreal. I know that's not a common point of view for people of my age, but that's how I feel

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Not quite Capo.

https://carriere.epfl.ch/files/conte...%20EN%20v2.pdf

Also section 4.4.6 of the Foreign Nationals Act:

"4.4.6 Profit-making activity after studies in Switzerland (Article 21, paragraph 3 LEtr)

Foreigners graduating from a Swiss university (see definition in section 5.1.3) may be admitted for the purpose of gainful employment at the end of their studies if this activity is of major scientific or economic interest. (Article 21, paragraph 3, LEtr).

This regulation makes it possible, in particular, for Swiss companies and Swiss academic centers to recruit specialists who have successfully completed their studies in Switzerland and who are well or highly qualified. This includes graduates from a Swiss university in areas where they can apply the knowledge they have acquired to a high level and where there is no real offer of sufficient manpower. As a general rule, this concerns activities in the fields of research, development, the implementation of new technologies or the application of know-how acquired in fields of activity which are of paramount economic interest.

A lucrative activity is of paramount economic interest when there is a proven need for manpower in the sector of activity corresponding to the training and the orientation is highly specialized and in line with the position to provide. Likewise, the occupation of the post allows for the immediate creation of new jobs or the creation of new mandates for the Swiss economy (ATAF of May 2, 2012 / C-674/2011). Excluded are sectors of activity which have no direct link with the studies completed (eg administrative tasks or employment unrelated to the studies completed).

The admission of this category of persons takes place without examination of the rule on the priority of the workers (article 21, paragraph 3, LEtr). On the other hand, other conditions of admission for the exercise of a lucrative activity, are provided for in art. 20 sec LEtr. The prior decision of the cantonal labor market authorities must be submitted to the SEM for approval.

The stay to find a job after the end of studies is regulated by art. 21, para. 3, LEtr (see also chapter 5.1.3)."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/content/dam...ngen-aug-f.pdf
Ok, now I understand a lot better... I guess I didn't do my homework correctly haha

Thank you again!!

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I would agree USI is certainly less known than pretty much all other state universities, and while all others are more or less interchangeable in terms of quality (except maybe ETH and EPFL), I would say this one is not quite on equal footing. St Gallen is the best choice for any BA/BS and MA/MS degree in any subject related to business admin and economics.

So given the choice, my priority would be 1) St Gallen, 2) Fribourg, 3) USI

Ticino is a small market, but probably also less competitive than Zurich for example. Marketing is a rather generic field unless you specialize somewhat, so I guess post-graduation it can go either way and anywhere. I wouldn't choose the uni based on options after - Switzerland is too small for that to really matter, as long as you'd be open to move wherever jobs are.

No idea on chances to find a job, it's impossible to answer. Others have outlined the restrictions on non-EU and it's something to very much keep in mind. It's not enough to just casually graduate from here and then grab any job, even if it's handing out burgers - if it were, more people would probably do it. The job still has to be of significance, but what is considered significant varies very, very widely. I agree with a previous poster that anything marketing is unlikely to fall into that category; it is typically reserved more for jobs in scientific research, various niche jobs in other industries, etc. And no, there is no list, it is a subjective assessment done by federal immigration authorities.

Also, of course Swiss nationals have to prove nothing. They are citizens. In no country in the (Western) world do citizens have to prove anything to get a job. If I moved to Canada, I would have to prove that "I'm worth it" just as much, whereas you wouldn't have to.
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I would agree USI is certainly less known than pretty much all other state universities, and while all others are more or less interchangeable in terms of quality (except maybe ETH and EPFL), I would say this one is not quite on equal footing. St Gallen is the best choice for any BA/BS and MA/MS degree in any subject related to business admin and economics.

So given the choice, my priority would be 1) St Gallen, 2) Fribourg, 3) USI

Ticino is a small market, but probably also less competitive than Zurich for example. Marketing is a rather generic field unless you specialize somewhat, so I guess post-graduation it can go either way and anywhere. I wouldn't choose the uni based on options after - Switzerland is too small for that to really matter, as long as you'd be open to move wherever jobs are.

No idea on chances to find a job, it's impossible to answer. Others have outlined the restrictions on non-EU and it's something to very much keep in mind. It's not enough to just casually graduate from here and then grab any job, even if it's handing out burgers - if it were, more people would probably do it. The job still has to be of significance, but what is considered significant varies very, very widely. I agree with a previous poster that anything marketing is unlikely to fall into that category; it is typically reserved more for jobs in scientific research, various niche jobs in other industries, etc. And no, there is no list, it is a subjective assessment done by federal immigration authorities.

Also, of course Swiss nationals have to prove nothing. They are citizens. In no country in the (Western) world do citizens have to prove anything to get a job. If I moved to Canada, I would have to prove that "I'm worth it" just as much, whereas you wouldn't have to.

I see...but I was wondering since I have heard that there are many Italian students that study at USI in marketing and communications...do they ALL go back to Italy after their Msc ? I think some of them find a way to get a job in Switzerland nevertheless...

Also I didn't mean to sound rude or anything when I said that. I only wanted to show that, for me, the "equal footing with Swiss nationals" didn't make any sense since I will have to prove that my job will be of "economic importance to Switzerland" so in the end I won't have the same chances as a local...but it was just a misunderstanding on my part since the first website wasn't really clear...
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I see...but I was wondering since I have heard that there are many Italian students that study at USI in marketing and communications...do they ALL go back to Italy after their Msc ? I think some of them find a way to get a job in Switzerland nevertheless...

Also I didn't mean to sound rude or anything when I said that. I only wanted to show that, for me, the "equal footing with Swiss nationals" didn't make any sense since I will have to prove that my job will be of "economic importance to Switzerland" so in the end I won't have the same chances as a local...but it was just a misunderstanding on my part since the first website wasn't really clear...
Your example uses Italians, so that means EU citizens - which means the employer doesn't need to prove economic importance. It seems that equal footing doesn't literally mean equal. It means "slightly more favorable than for a non-EU without a Swiss degree". At least that's my impression.
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Your example uses Italians, so that means EU citizens - which means the employer doesn't need to prove economic importance. It seems that equal footing doesn't literally mean equal. It means "slightly more favorable than for a non-EU without a Swiss degree". At least that's my impression.
Well on their website it says "The amendment provides for foreign nationals graduating from a Swiss university-level institution to be on an equal footing with Swiss nationals when it comes to entering the Swiss labor market."

By foreign nationals I think they mean anyone who is not Swiss...so EU/Canadian/Australian, etc. Or am I wrong ?

This would mean that EU or Non-EU we would be equal when looking for a job...right ?
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I see...but I was wondering since I have heard that there are many Italian students that study at USI in marketing and communications...do they ALL go back to Italy after their Msc ? I think some of them find a way to get a job in Switzerland nevertheless...
No they don't all go back for sure, especially the ones living on the border will try to get a job here first because net salary is double/triple in Ticino. That makes the job market very competitive and that's why unemployment is higher (think local fresh graduate vs a gigantic abudance of italians with >5 years experience). There's also a lot of people that studied in Milan and afterwards found a job in Ticino.
Anyway I see the third semester is a consulting project + thesis and can be done in another swiss university, that's also another interesting option.
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Re: University Choice PLEASE HELP !!!

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No they don't all go back for sure, especially the ones living on the border will try to get a job here first because net salary is double/triple in Ticino. That makes the job market very competitive and that's why unemployment is higher (think local fresh graduate vs a gigantic abudance of italians with >5 years experience). There's also a lot of people that studied in Milan and afterwards found a job in Ticino.
Anyway I see the third semester is a consulting project + thesis and can be done in another swiss university, that's also another interesting option.
Yes, their study programme is really interesting!! I didn't find what Swiss universities they are partnered with though...

Also, you agree then that there are Italian (foreign) students that find jobs after their Msc in Marketing in Switzerland...So how is it possible if Marketing is not "an activity of major scientific or economic interest". This cannot be explained by the fact that they are European since in the Article 21 (that was outlined before) it does not say that EU citizens are not subject to this law and don't have to show that their position is of major economic interest...
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