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Need some information for schools in Laussane

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I am an Indian living in middle east and have recently got a job offer in Rolle. We plan to shift by august and would really appreciate if we could get some guidance about school . My children are of the age 8 and 5 and would be a year older when they would move to lausanne. I need information about private schools in lausanne and also local schools as my older kid as very basic knowledge of french. I would also appreciate if someone could give me more information of ENSR and EBSR private schools in lausanne. Also in the private school do we have the option to opt out of the lunch program.

If i opt of local schools by which grade do they introduce english language and also does it close my options of higher studies in the united states?

One last question would be is there a specific indian community you could find in lausanne where most of the indian expats reside.

Any kind of help would be really appreciated.

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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

I saw your message and had done some research on this for my clients in Lausanne. I can't remember where i clipped it from and how up to date it is so do double check. The Swiss schooling system is held in high regard both in terms of government-run schools and private education. Classes in the state-run schools of Lausanne are taught in French, with English and German taught additional languages. There are also some international schools, where classes are taught in English to students. The GEMS World Academy, the International School of Lausanne and the Brilliantmont Boarding & Day School are the 3 international schools in the area, all of which offer internationally recognised qualifications such as the International Baccalaureate. Although these schools may be slightly more expensive, they often prove to be a more comfortable learning environment for foreign children.
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I saw your message and had done some research on this for my clients in Lausanne. I can't remember where i clipped it from and how up to date it is so do double check. The Swiss schooling system is held in high regard both in terms of government-run schools and private education. Classes in the state-run schools of Lausanne are taught in French, with English and German taught additional languages. There are also some international schools, where classes are taught in English to students. The GEMS World Academy, the International School of Lausanne and the Brilliantmont Boarding & Day School are the 3 international schools in the area, all of which offer internationally recognised qualifications such as the International Baccalaureate. Although these schools may be slightly more expensive, they often prove to be a more comfortable learning environment for foreign children.
What does this mean, please, in this context: "slightly more expensive"... than what? Are state-run schools not free, in Lausanne?
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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

Welcome to the forum!

As you can imagine, many have made similar enquiries about schools before. Well done for wanting to understand things well before you get here.

One of the users, longbyt, kindly collected some of the main, important threads about schooling in Switzerland, in this list:
https://www.englishforum.ch/educatio...ol-system.html.


In Switzerland, many things are different from canton to canton. The canton of Vaud has put together a remarkable amount of information in English. http://www.vaud.ch/en/our-assets/education/

Also have a look at the pdf called "Welcome to the Canton of Vaud".

Information about many aspects of life can also be found on www.ch.ch, a government website. See, for example, https://www.ch.ch/en/length-compulsory-schooling.
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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

Since you will be working in Rolle, you could also look at GEMS which is very close in Etoy (Aubonne exit). It is a private school. You may know of GEMS as there is also a school of the same group in Dubai.

If the kids are in Etoy, you can look for housing from Morges (direction Lausanne) to as far as Gland (direction Geneva). This way you avoid the driving from Lausanne.

As others have mentioned, the local schools are good as well.

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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

Thank you all for the responses. Really appreciate the same. My kids are currently going to gems school in dubai, but the same are not as expensive as the one in rolle. I have seen Gems school near rolle and find it to costly for two children. Also ESNR and EBNR also are on the higher end for me. Hence wanted some more information on the local schools in Lausanne.

Would also like information from an indian parent who are sending there kids to the local school. When is english as a subject introduced. Also other subjects like Science/ Math are taught in English or French. i am more than happy for my kids to learn french but along with english as it would be easier for higher education.

Also which are the good local school in order to find rental in the similar area.

Someone mentioned there is an indian community in lausanne, where exactly is the same.

i do have plans by next month to visit Lasuanne and visit some schools too.

Also would a pay package of 190k be sufficient for a family of 4. Would i be able to send my kids to private school with this pay package.
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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

Well if you think the price of Gems in Etoy is too high then you will need to put them in the public French system. Nearly all English curricula International schools are above 20,000 chf per year and rise as the the child progresses in age/class. You might find a small bilingual school for primary that is a bit less but eventually you will have to migrate towards one system or the other if you are here for the long term.

Swiss public schools in VD have all classes in French and English starts later and is relatively basic if your kids are already fluent. If they want to progress in the Swiss system they would have to have German as a priority before English as this is one of the subjects tested for streaming at 12. Keep in mind if US higher education is sought, the only way is to proceed through the Swiss matura which is highly selective. Your child will need to test into the matura stream at age 12 whereby only about 15-20% make it. The matura would however allow higher education in Europe or US. But depending on their English level at that time it may need to be supplemented.
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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

Really appreciate all the responses. Would appreciate some more responses on the other questions and pay package as well.
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Really appreciate all the responses. Would appreciate some more responses on the other questions and pay package as well.

If you're getting paid Chf 190k, for making tea and coffee, that is pretty well spot on, but if it is for CEO of Nestle, i think they maybe underpaying you a little.


If you can't work out whether Chf 190k will be enough for a familly of 4 (including 2 kids of 5 and 8) then maybe you're being overpaid.


The average salary for a familly of 4 in Switzerland is around Chf 80k per year, i hope this gives you something to compare with.


With Chf 190k you can do almost anything, it just depends where and how you spend your money and if you can do it intelligently.
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If you're getting paid Chf 190k, for making tea and coffee, that is pretty well spot on, but if it is for CEO of Nestle, i think they maybe underpaying you a little.


If you can't work out whether Chf 190k will be enough for a familly of 4 (including 2 kids of 5 and 8) then maybe you're being overpaid.


The average salary for a familly of 4 in Switzerland is around Chf 80k per year, i hope this gives you something to compare with.


With Chf 190k you can do almost anything, it just depends where and how you spend your money and if you can do it intelligently.



Thank you for the above response. Well the position is at the managerial level and not the CEO of the company, but with high rentals and after taxes would the same be sufficient if i would like my kids to go to private school. Not to gems but like ENSR.
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Thank you for the above response. Well the position is at the managerial level and not the CEO of the company, but with high rentals and after taxes would the same be sufficient if i would like my kids to go to private school. Not to gems but like ENSR.



What do you think ?


How can anybody answer, you tell me how long a piece of string is and i'll tell you what you can afford
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Would like some more responses on my query.
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Would like some more responses on my query.
Ask your new company for relocation services and check out the forum threads here
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hi,

Would like some more responses on my query.
You are looking for a spoon to feed you. So here is ball park:

190k Gross,
Tax in VD-Rolle 27% for that, -52k
Pension/AHV contributions take ballpark another 10% of Gross, -19k
Health-insurance ballpark 8k a family 4 with ok deductibles, -8k
Rent ballpark 30k (no idea what you want, but hell its a number), -30k
Other necessities food, utilities etc, -20k
Car or other transportation, -5k
Private school fees 20k x2, -40k

Total so far 174k

These are big items, there are lots of smaller. So my advise to you, you cannot afford private school. Your kids are small, get them in local school.
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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

Thank you for the break down. I had similar fear and that why wanted all the advise. i might not be able to afford private school though i am keen on and would have to chose local schools
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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

You don't pick local schools, they're assigned based on where you live. Of course you can increase the likelihood of being assigned a particular one by living nearby as the kids are usually sent to the closest one, but there are no guarantees.
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You are looking for a spoon to feed you. So here is ball park:

190k Gross,
Tax in VD-Rolle 27% for that, -52k
Pension/AHV contributions take ballpark another 10% of Gross, -19k
Health-insurance ballpark 8k a family 4 with ok deductibles, -8k
Rent ballpark 30k (no idea what you want, but hell its a number), -30k
Other necessities food, utilities etc, -20k
Car or other transportation, -5k
Private school fees 20k x2, -40k

Total so far 174k

These are big items, there are lots of smaller. So my advise to you, you cannot afford private school. Your kids are small, get them in local school.
Thanks to Dutch for taking a run at this. There are a couple of numbers I would question.

The first is the taxes. You will be taxed at source so where you live in Vaud will not factor into the calculation. In CH (short for Switzerland - don't use Swiss for the name of the country) if you are Swiss or have a long term permit you would pay taxes at three levels - Federal, Cantonal and Communal/city so it matters where you live. It your case/with your permit it will not. You really need to get the company to provide you a calculation of the net CHF you will have each month (the year is often split in 13 payments - the 13th is in December). Best to count only with the 12 payments and without any bonus. So it might be CHF 190k/13 = CHF 14'615 per month. This is a very good salary for CH but probably on the lower end of affording private school for 2 kids.

Rent + expenses (heat, water, internet, parking spots etc.) would be more like CHF 3'000 - 3'500 per month so CHF 42'000 per year. This would be for a nicer/more modern three bedroom apt. in the Lausanne area or even closer to Rolle.

Heath insurance will be more like CHF 800 - 1'000 per month for a family of 4 with a CHF 300 deductible for you and your wife. Vaud is more expensive than the Swiss German cantons.

Back to some of your other questions. On EF, the members assume and appreciate new members who use the search function to look at the many discussions on private schools, where to live etc. Use the basic search function first then the advanced search where you can get at key words within the posts. A hint with the two private schools you mentioned. Use the full names as the initials are not used (unlike GEMS). There are also lots of threads on the local school system. You can use the search term Vaud (the canton) as the schools are organised by canton.

The Indian people in Lausanne will probably not be of the same professional level that you might be used to in Dubai. They tend to be shop keepers for the most part (of course there are exceptions).

One key factor you have not mentioned that will be key in your decision making is how long (be realistic) do you think you will be in CH. This will factor into the school system question. Assuming that you are here for a while and that the children are motivated, they will leave the CH school system at 18 with three languages at a very good level.
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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

There's a bumper thread from some one asking about a slightly lower salary here:
https://www.englishforum.ch/finance-...l-we-have.html

It is excellent in that it includes many opposing views. Please don't be put off by the fact that some of the posts there are angry. If you take the time to plough through it all, you're likely to find a useful range of answers to your questions, including several possible budget breakdowns.
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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

Thank you for all the detailed breakdown and information. The next questions i have are as i wouldnt be able to send my kids to private school, would be if anyone could recemmoned good local schools in Lausanne especially for expat children who really help with the French language and also english later on. This would help me to rent my apartment accordingly in that area. I am looking for a 3bhk.


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Thanks to Dutch for taking a run at this. There are a couple of numbers I would question.

The first is the taxes. You will be taxed at source so where you live in Vaud will not factor into the calculation. In CH (short for Switzerland - don't use Swiss for the name of the country) if you are Swiss or have a long term permit you would pay taxes at three levels - Federal, Cantonal and Communal/city so it matters where you live. It your case/with your permit it will not. You really need to get the company to provide you a calculation of the net CHF you will have each month (the year is often split in 13 payments - the 13th is in December). Best to count only with the 12 payments and without any bonus. So it might be CHF 190k/13 = CHF 14'615 per month. This is a very good salary for CH but probably on the lower end of affording private school for 2 kids.

Rent + expenses (heat, water, internet, parking spots etc.) would be more like CHF 3'000 - 3'500 per month so CHF 42'000 per year. This would be for a nicer/more modern three bedroom apt. in the Lausanne area or even closer to Rolle.

Heath insurance will be more like CHF 800 - 1'000 per month for a family of 4 with a CHF 300 deductible for you and your wife. Vaud is more expensive than the Swiss German cantons.

Back to some of your other questions. On EF, the members assume and appreciate new members who use the search function to look at the many discussions on private schools, where to live etc. Use the basic search function first then the advanced search where you can get at key words within the posts. A hint with the two private schools you mentioned. Use the full names as the initials are not used (unlike GEMS). There are also lots of threads on the local school system. You can use the search term Vaud (the canton) as the schools are organised by canton.

The Indian people in Lausanne will probably not be of the same professional level that you might be used to in Dubai. They tend to be shop keepers for the most part (of course there are exceptions).

One key factor you have not mentioned that will be key in your decision making is how long (be realistic) do you think you will be in CH. This will factor into the school system question. Assuming that you are here for a while and that the children are motivated, they will leave the CH school system at 18 with three languages at a very good level.
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Re: Need some information for schools in Laussane

hi,

Also from the list of local schools in lausanne, can i get some more feedback as to which one can be recommended.

As all the links below give me information only in french and yes we are in the learning process of french

15 établissements trouvés : Lausanne
- Etablissement primaire d´Entre-Bois
- Etablissement primaire de La Sallaz
- Etablissement primaire de Lausanne - Prélaz
- Etablissement primaire de Lausanne-Floréal
- Etablissement primaire de Lausanne - Mon-Repos
- Etablissement primaire de Lausanne - Pierrefleur
- Etablissement primaire de Lausanne - Coteau-Fleuri
- Etablissement primaire de Lausanne - Beaulieu
- Etablissement primaire et secondaire de Lausanne - Belvédère
- Etablissement primaire et secondaire de Lausanne - Bergières
- Etablissement primaire et secondaire de Lausanne - Béthusy
- Etablissement primaire et secondaire de Lausanne - Isabelle-de-Montolieu
- Etablissement primaire et secondaire de Lausanne - L´Elysée
- Etablissement primaire et secondaire de Lausanne - Villamont
- Etablissement primaire et secondaire de Lausanne C.-F. Ramuz

Also Verbier please explain to me this line "they will leave the CH school system at 18 with three languages at a very good level" i need more information regrading this as to at what age is english introduced as a language and also what is the level of children in english when they finish school at 18.
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