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Old 08.08.2018, 19:11
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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

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Rufus, please could you explain this? Where are these "free hours" available, to whom, for what? How do they increase with the age of the child? What does "at the term" mean, in this context? Sorry, I'm trying to understand, but must be missing some part. Thanks.
I *think* RufusB is talking about the system in the UK - so her "here" is not here, in CH.
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Old 08.08.2018, 19:39
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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

Yes, 3Wishes, I think so, too. Even so, I'm interested in understanding what she meant.
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Old 08.08.2018, 19:45
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Yes, 3Wishes, I think so, too. Even so, I'm interested in understanding what she meant.
Until Rufus gets back, this might explain some UK policies:
https://www.gov.uk/help-with-childca...to-4-year-olds
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Old 09.08.2018, 01:20
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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

Thanks Mellcollie. Yep. UK. Been packing all day. Moving house.

Doropfiz: in UK every child, at the start of the school term following their third birthday gets 15 free hours of child care from participating state run or private nurseries. Apologies earlier, I misspoke about age 2. That's income dependent etc. So Little Rufus was 3 in jan 17 and qualified for 15 free childcare hours from April 17 ( at the start of the summer term). If both parents ( not sure how it works for single parent families but i assume it does) are working at least 16 hours per week and their weekly income is above a certain amount you can apply for a code via online tax portal so your child gets 30 hours a week paid for by the govt. It means that hopefully folk don't end up paying more for their child care than they do their rent or mortgage.

These hours are usually term time hours only ( so 39 weeks a year) so there are obviously wrap around fees for the majority of people who don't work to school term dates but it eases the financial burden considerably.

Hope this makes sense. Mellloncollie's link is probably a lot clearer !

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Well cheers for that and I'm very glad 2.5 k is small fry to you. Not to us. A couple of years of that and uni is paid for. It is indeed also your prerogative to find the UK system strange. There's a whole raft of stuff that bothers me about the Swiss system but that would derail this thread even further.

And for some people, needing to work while kids are small is not really a choice. I didn't find the Tagesmutter option particularly cheap... or as regulated as I'd have liked. I'm a mandatory minimums girl.

We also pay in the UK for support if needed. But at the term after age 2 there are 15 free hours available and at 3, if both parents are working at least 16 hours, there are 30 hours support available. But the first two years are bloody expensive here still, particularly when salaries are not as high as in CH.

I don't think it is little money, no. But there are cheaper options available like Tagesmutter as are subsidies if you qualify (subventionierte Krippenplätze) and most families do.


Tax benefits exist as well in Switzerland and you get Kindergeld ("child money") from the state every month for every child. Granted that is really not a lot but it's still better than nothing.

Also there are Spielgruppen ("Play Groups") from the age of 21 months usually which are a lot cheaper than Kinderkrippe. So again, there are cheaper options than paying 2500 a month.


That is all I am saying. And I won't change my mind about the university System in the UK/US. Sorry.


BTW I have studied in a "private" university in Ireland and it was not better than the Swiss one I studied in only more expensive (and full of Asian..) ;-)
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Opposite to what you might think, a Tagesmutter is not necessarily cheaper than a Krippe. The difference is that if the child is sick the Tagesmutter might keep the kid (allowing you to go to work), and holidays can be circumvented. But in terms of costs, they are extremely similar (120chf versus 150chf).

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as are subsidies if you qualify (subventionierte Krippenplätze) and most families do.
Whether or not "most families" do, there are very little subventioned places in each Krippe - meaning that even if you qualify for it, it doesn't mean you will get a cheaper place. Considering the problem in finding a place in Kanton Zürich, specially for smaller children, it's almost impossible to find one with a normal vacancy, even worse a subventioned one.

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Tax benefits exist as well in Switzerland and you get Kindergeld ("child money") from the state every month for every child. Granted that is really not a lot but it's still better than nothing.
The monthly Kindergeld is not enough to pay 2 days in a Tagesmutter. I hope this puts the money part in perspective.

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Also there are Spielgruppen ("Play Groups") from the age of 21 months usually which are a lot cheaper than Kinderkrippe.
You know why they are cheaper? Because it's for just a couple of hours a week, and in most cases parents MUST be there. It's not child care - it's child entertainment.

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That is all I am saying. And I won't change my mind about the university System in the UK/US.
But there are oh so many other countries, in which not only is University free or almost free, but parents actually get at least 25 paternity leave days, mothers get more than miserable 14 weeks, and childcare is better organized.

Just because Switzerland is better than some other countries, it does not mean it does not need improvement. And in the terms of child rearing, there is a lot of ground for improvement.
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BTW I have studied in a "private" university in Ireland and it was not better than the Swiss one I studied in only more expensive (and full of Asian..) ;-)
A private uni would have been more expensive. And as an international student you'd have paid through the nose and they probably didn't care as much about course content/ quality of teaching and learning: should have gone to a public one.

And what Helm said.

Yep. In the UK we get 2 weeks paternity and 39 weeks maternity pay (ymmv) and can have up to a 52 week maternity leave. Also everyone working with children must have an enhanced DBS check and there are legal ratios for adults to children in nurseries /play groups etc. And it's not legal to ask questions like "are you planning to have children?" at interview. Your reproduction is nobody's business but your own. I know which system I prefer.
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. But university is literally free.
errr....no. Juat got the bill for next semester, and it isn't CHF 0.00
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