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best school options for working parents in zug

My hub and I will be relocating from Italy with my 2 kids (5 year old and 3 year old) somewhere in the caton con Zug on october 2018. I will like to enrroll my kids into the public system but not much familiar with the system and how it works, I have heard good and bad as ussual. Here is our scenario:
  • The 3 year old mot likely will have to go to private school since I was told no public places for todlers. (am I right?)
  • The 5 year old will be attending kindergarten 1, but the hours are really not compatible with work schedule so for sure will have to find an after-care program,, are those really hard to get into? what is the cost I should budget for the lunch and afterschool programs?. Can I register them in october? (school starts at end august)..
if anyone has any advice on school system it wil be greatly aprpeciate it. We will be receiving an offer soon and I want to make sure we are compensated acordingly to the expenses!!.. private schools are terribly expensive (30-35K a year per kid).. public system seems great although I am not sure it will be feasible due to school hours!.. HELP!!
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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

Hi and welcome!


Please do some reading this Topic has been brought up numerous times already.


yes you will Need after School care and lunch care if you are working full time and yes there is no public School (Kindergarten) for a three year old. And for the record, most People work so there are Options and they are not hiddiously expensive.
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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

Depends on what you view as hideous. 2.5 k (approx) p.m. per kid qualifies, I reckon. OP: good luck with the move and also with your little ones.

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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

Welcome!
Maybe this could help:
https://www.englishforum.ch/2943563-post8.html
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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

See this too.

https://www.englishforum.ch/educatio...ol-system.html

3 year old is too young for public school unless you live in Ticino.
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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

Thanks, Medea, for linking to Longbyt's huge sticky. My post above yours was intended to refer OP there, but I see now that the link in my post is broken. So thanks for posting a working one.
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Depends on what you view as hideous. 2.5 k (approx) p.m per kid qualifies, I reckon. OP: good luck with the move and also with your little ones.
Wow!!! 2500 a monrh just for lunch and afterscool?? I was thinking something around 1000... am i too off??
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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

That's just the cost for the older child. If you're both working 100%, the younger child would be in a kita or creche, which would be an additional cost. I don't know about the lunch and after school programs, but many kitas have a sliding scale for charges, based on the parents' income.
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Wow!!! 2500 a monrh just for lunch and afterscool?? I was thinking something around 1000... am i too off??
Yes, probably. Childcare is expensive here. This thread may have some info.

https://www.englishforum.ch/educatio...itzerland.html

Enrolling shouldn't be a problem. It's required under Swiss law that children have to be given a place. Bear in mind that usually your children will go to the school nearest to where you live, you don't get to choose a school as you do in some countries.

Whether/how soon you can set up childcare may also depend on where you live. In some parts of Switzerland there are waiting lists for childcare places.
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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

You will pay more for the youngwe one because it will be private. But you won't pay 2500.- for Lunch and afternoons. No.

But please start doing some research yourself.
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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

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Our children go 4 days a week to the after school care and hot lunch offered by the Gemeindeschule in Baar. Excellent. Very affordable and huuuuge advantage, they have to finish their homework before playing. In costs no way comparable with private schools. Another advantage, they learn German and swissgerman like locals. I think the youngest in the after School care are around 5 yrs old (1. Kindergarten year). That would work for your older child.
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You will pay more for the youngwe one because it will be private. But you won't pay 2500.- for Lunch and afternoons. No.

But please start doing some research yourself.



Exactly. I think we pay 2500 a child per semester for after school care and hot lunch at the local school. Ours only go 4 days a week.
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Exactly. I think we pay 2500 a child per semester for after school care and hot lunch at the local school.
I'm confused now.
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Wow!!! 2500 a monrh just for lunch and afterscool?? I was thinking something around 1000... am i too off??
No that was for pre school all day childcare for a 2.5 year old. Didn't look into provision for older kids.
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But please start doing some research yourself.
Somehow, this sentence really bugs me. I'm all in for the "let me google that for you" kind of responses, but in this case, that answer bugs me.

The Swiss educational system is difficult to understand from a foreigner point of view - even for someone who has been living in here for 10 years and is actually involved with the apprenticeship system. It can be extremely overwhelming to do the "research yourself", and I for once have been very thankful for those who went out of their way to pin point some of my biggest concerns so I could find direction in the sea of information that is the internet.

As for everything, education depends on cantonal level, city and moon phase - and asking for help is the first step to finding your answers.

Now, OP, as the people before me pointed out, the links gathered by Longbyt do have a lot of information that will help you out:

https://www.englishforum.ch/educatio...ol-system.html

You also have a detailed overview of the whole system in here (try not to be overwhelmed):

https://www.expatica.com/ch/educatio...nd_100021.html

Do you speak German? There is an official page from Kanton Zug with their specific guidelines here:

https://www.zg.ch/behoerden/direktio...chulsystem-neu

As for being a working parent in Switzerland: it can suck. Really bad.

Some schools provide a cafeteria, or an "Hort" which can be school or parent organised, which can be inside the school or outside, where children can have their lunches (sometimes provided, sometimes it's just the space where they eat the food parents have packed for them in the morning). This is school dependent, and you usually don't have a choice in which school your kid will end up in (sometimes it's dependent on the street you live in). This can be overwhelming, and some parents, specially those only for a short period in Switzerland, choose to go private school.

Lunch and afternoon programs are therefore very varied, and it's difficult for us to give you very concrete answers without knowing which school you'll get. But for you to have an idea, a friend pays 20 chf per lunch for her child.

The 3 year old won't start kindergarten yet in Zug.

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Das Kindergartenjahr vor dem Eintritt in die 1. Klasse der Primarstufe ist obligatorisch. Der Eintritt in den obligatorischen Kindergarten wird als Schuleintritt bezeichnet. Für diesen Schuleintritt gelten folgende Alterslimiten: Kinder, die bis Ende Februar fünf Jahre alt sind, besuchen im folgenden Schuljahr den Kindergarten. Kinder, die bis Ende Mai fünf Jahre alt sind, dürfen im folgenden Schuljahr den obligatorischen Kindergarten besuchen.
You will probably have to go with a private "Krippe". Unless the parents earn too little, you will most likely not receive a subsidy. The price per day differs a lot from city to city, but for you to have an idea, I pay 150chf per day (Kanton Zürich).

You can also go with the Tagesmutter option. Basically a family takes care of your child.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both systems.

Child care in Switzerland is very expensive, but it's possible to do it with working parents. It can get scary, and one thing you'll have to learn: rule number one in Switzerland is that the answer to every question is "it depends". Don't be overwhelmed with that fact, just role with it and try your best to stay afloat

If you have facebook, there are groups of mothers/parents in Switzerland that can help, even Zug specific ones. I'm in the "International Mothers Living in Switzerland" and they have been extremely helpful with serious and sillier doubts about motherhood (not always Switzerland specific).

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Re: best school options for working parents in zug

thank you so much for the great feedabck everyone,, specially those who went out of your way to answer my questions!!! it is really precious and appreciated,, We now have the basics to consider before going there for an exploratory visit before moving the entire family.
Since working location for my hub and I will be Cham and we are looking for family-friendly, international and green area to live in we are thinking of renting in Cham and therefore the schooling will be around the area... (any otehr suggestions ofa reas within canton of Zug?)
In terms of school budget, based on everyone's fgreat feedback and help, we are targetting 2500 a month for the 3 year old (private) and 1000 a month for the hot lunch+afternoon for the 5 year old 5 days a week,,, If that is the case I think we can be in good shape!!


thank you all for the great help,,, there is certainly a big list of things to look up when moving with kids, and you guys have helped in sorting out the main points to check!!


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Depends on what you view as hideous. 2.5 k (approx) p.m. per kid qualifies, I reckon. OP: good luck with the move and also with your little ones.
See and this is whre we differ.


Many People from Anglo Saxon countries (US and UK mostly) cry hot tears about the cost of childcare or private schooling for non-School aged children but find it perfectly normal to start saving before the child is even Born to send them to university!


I grew up here in Switzerland and I will never understand why one has to pay an arm and a leg for university. Here you pay if you need support if your children are small. And this is your free will. I know many people who go with Tagesmutter or who each watch over the children of the neighbour as well as their own or so and hence don't spend a lot at all and still work. If that is not what you want, fine, then there are other options but you will pay for them. The more work the children are (i.e. the younger) the more expensive.


Once they start schooling (Kindergarten) it's no longer expensive. But university is literally free. But somehow that system is so much worse than the UK/US one. Sorry will never understand.
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Many People from Anglo Saxon countries (US and UK mostly) cry hot tears about the cost of childcare or private schooling for non-School aged children but find it perfectly normal to start saving before the child is even Born to send them to university!


I grew up here in Switzerland and I will never understand why one has to pay an arm and a leg for university. Here you pay if you need support if your children are small. And this is your free will. I know many people who go with Tagesmutter or who each watch over the children of the neighbour as well as their own or so and hence don't spend a lot at all and still work. If that is not what you want, fine, then there are other options but you will pay for them. The more work the children are (i.e. the younger) the more expensive.


Once they start schooling (Kindergarten) it's no longer expensive. But university is literally free. But somehow that system is so much worse than the UK/US one. Sorry will never understand.
Well cheers for that and I'm very glad 2.5 k is small fry to you. Not to us. A couple of years of that and uni is paid for. It is indeed also your prerogative to find the UK system strange. There's a whole raft of stuff that bothers me about the Swiss system but that would derail this thread even further.

And for some people, needing to work while kids are small is not really a choice. I didn't find the Tagesmutter option particularly cheap... or as regulated as I'd have liked. I'm a mandatory minimums girl.

We also pay in the UK for support if needed. But at the term after age 2 there are 15 free hours available and at 3, if both parents are working at least 16 hours, there are 30 hours support available. But the first two years are bloody expensive here still, particularly when salaries are not as high as in CH.
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We also pay in the UK for support if needed. But at the term after age 2 there are 15 free hours available and at 3, if both parents are working at least 16 hours, there are 30 hours support available. But the first two years are bloody expensive here still, particularly when salaries are not as high as in CH.
Rufus, please could you explain this? Where are these "free hours" available, to whom, for what? How do they increase with the age of the child? What does "at the term" mean, in this context? Sorry, I'm trying to understand, but must be missing some part. Thanks.
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See and this is whre we differ.


Many People from Anglo Saxon countries (US and UK mostly) cry hot tears about the cost of childcare or private schooling for non-School aged children but find it perfectly normal to start saving before the child is even Born to send them to university!


I grew up here in Switzerland and I will never understand why one has to pay an arm and a leg for university. Here you pay if you need support if your children are small. And this is your free will. I know many people who go with Tagesmutter or who each watch over the children of the neighbour as well as their own or so and hence don't spend a lot at all and still work. If that is not what you want, fine, then there are other options but you will pay for them. The more work the children are (i.e. the younger) the more expensive.


Once they start schooling (Kindergarten) it's no longer expensive. But university is literally free. But somehow that system is so much worse than the UK/US one. Sorry will never understand.
I am grateful for locals who share how things work here. I can imagine that how things have been here for decades might not be convenient for newcomers who are not used to the system or expect that things should be how they know them from home.
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