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Would it be rude to answer that there is no need to prepare, I'm just seeking clarification of a few things? Frankly I don't feel like explaining myself right now and giving them time to try to pretend I don't understand enough German to know what is going on.
I disagree with Doropfiz on this.

Personally I would reply that you are just looking for clarification of a few things but nothing that requires preparation. There is nothing rude about that in my opinion.
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I want to complain/explanation about the art teacher and her actions. About the lack of communication that led to it. About the idea that it's ok to ignore him in class because he's "speziell". About why they're not asking him if he has understood what he has to do - exactly the same situation as in KG, except there he was "anders". The lack of communication in that I had this exact conversation (about involvement in art class) 3 school weeks ago and nothing has changed.

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If raising any concerns is going to make things harder for my son, as insinuated by the art teacher when I said I would take it further, then is there any point raising them?

So I want to know before I explain myself what is allowed or accepted under the umbrella of school-parent "zusammenarbeit". And what the consequences for my son will be if I say something the school doesn't want to hear.
And obviously an assurance it won't happen again!

Or am I asking the wrong questions?

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My son now won't be going back into school until we've been for his next check up thanks to a bug he's caught, so I will definitely be doing this.

Yes, she clearly knows she is in the wrong. I'm following the school complaints procedure as explained to me by a member of the Elternrat. I've a meeting scheduled with the class teacher (and TA) tomorrow, just had an email asking what the meeting is about so they can prepare.

The TA could potentially confirm either my son's or the Gestalten teachers second version of events. But not if she knows in advance what it's about so she can talk to the other teacher...

Is the Gestalten teacher keeping quiet and hoping her threats will mean I don't complain? Or do they genuinely think it's not something worth a parent complaining about?

Would it be rude to answer that there is no need to prepare, I'm just seeking clarification of a few things? Frankly I don't feel like explaining myself right now and giving them time to try to pretend I don't understand enough German to know what is going on.

I suppose recording the meeting on my phone is not permitted?


I'm sorry he's ill.

They must know what the meeting is about, surely, unless the Gestalten (?spelling, sorry) teacher hasn't told anyone what she did and how unhappy you are - which is bloody foolish on her account.

I too would be concerned they would close ranks after changing the story. I agree with BM and would word your response as she suggests. There is nothing to prepare. It isn't rude.



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It seems to me that there's something going on in the dynamic between you, your husband, and the staff members at the school, that is not healthy.

Repeatedly, it seems to involve the vocabulary of power. There's your not feeling like "giving them time", their not wanting to give you the maths book, your husband wanting to set a staff member up to failure, wanting to win, etc. It seems to be too often about winning and losing battles. For the various adults involved, the pendulum seems to swing between exhaustion (which I understand), and the desire to triumph over one or more of the other adults (which seems unlikely to be beneficial for the boy).
While I agree that the dynamic isn't great, the "fault" very much lies with the school. They have repeatedly failed in their duty of care and instead of admitting, apologising and agreeing next steps to move on in a positive way and doing their part in forging a better relationship all around, there appears to be a culture of closing ranks and denying, whilst making the parent out to be some sort of fool. That is not on.

From what Dragoneiric writes, it is these teachers who are insistent upon maintaining their "power" and authority over the wishes of the parents and, worse, the very important needs of the child.

The fact that any teacher is dismissing the son from her efforts because of his "speziall" status is outrageous.

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I want to complain/explanation about the art teacher and her actions. About the lack of communication that led to it. About the idea that it's ok to ignore him in class because he's "speziell". About why they're not asking him if he has understood what he has to do - exactly the same situation as in KG, except there he was "anders". The lack of communication in that I had this exact conversation (about involvement in art class) 3 school weeks ago and nothing has changed.

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If raising any concerns is going to make things harder for my son, as insinuated by the art teacher when I said I would take it further, then is there any point raising them?

So I want to know before I explain myself what is allowed or accepted under the umbrella of school-parent "zusammenarbeit". And what the consequences for my son will be if I say something the school doesn't want to hear.
And obviously an assurance it won't happen again!

Or am I asking the wrong questions?
If you felt like there was a threat I would absolutely raise this in the meeting. Write down exactly what you want to say, as factually and politely as possible so as not to stumble should emotions rise. But I wouldn't ignore it. Chances are she will deny and make some comment about you having misunderstood. I'd say you are prepared to accept you may have misunderstood her clearly badly phrased response but that your understanding generally is absolutely fine, thank you. It seems to me you need to make them aware once and for all that your German is perfectly adequate. You are insulted that they suggest otherwise.

Change the dynamic.



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That list sounds to me like a lot more than "just seeking clarification of a few things".

If I were in your shoes, I would want to prepare those topics well.
If I were in their position, too.


Do you think you are more, or less, likely to engender cooperation with anyone at the school (if, indeed, that is at all possible given their track record), if you tell them in advance what you want to discuss with them, or if you spring your list on them when you meet?

With respect, this school, these people, know what they have and haven't done. They will already be preparing. They just want to control the conversation, IMO and I wouldn't stand for it.


OP: let's hope they begin with a sincere apology and demonstrate a genuine desire to move forward in a positive supportive manner that does not again attempt to undermine or belittle you.

Are you going with your husband? Or taking a friend with you?

Good luck.

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Friday went without issue, email sent, spoke again to class teacher in the morning. To be fair to her she has been very good organising break times etc for him. Spoke to DS again about what he is and isn't allowed to do.



My son now won't be going back into school until we've been for his next check up thanks to a bug he's caught, so I will definitely be doing this.



Yes, she clearly knows she is in the wrong. I'm following the school complaints procedure as explained to me by a member of the Elternrat. I've a meeting scheduled with the class teacher (and TA) tomorrow, just had an email asking what the meeting is about so they can prepare.

The TA could potentially confirm either my son's or the Gestalten teachers second version of events. But not if she knows in advance what it's about so she can talk to the other teacher...

Is the Gestalten teacher keeping quiet and hoping her threats will mean I don't complain? Or do they genuinely think it's not something worth a parent complaining about?

Would it be rude to answer that there is no need to prepare, I'm just seeking clarification of a few things? Frankly I don't feel like explaining myself right now and giving them time to try to pretend I don't understand enough German to know what is going on.

I suppose recording the meeting on my phone is not permitted?
If you make sure to state in emails to school, after each and every encounter/incident, what has happened, what was said and consistently email this info, they will not be able to back each other up and hide from their cock-ups. Take someone with you to take minutes of the meeting, then email them all a copy on completion. Keep everything tracked, clarified and proven. Paper trails are great, no escaping them.

Simply put: they need to tell you in the meeting what they are doing, prove that they're doing it and be accountable for when they fail to implement any medical instructions and/or learning strategies.

I would be preparing to look at and think about alternatives to educate your son elsewhere at this stage.. seems like you're on a merry-go-round, one they seem to be in control of.

Good luck!
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... the "fault" very much lies with the school. They have repeatedly failed in their duty of care and instead of admitting, apologising and agreeing next steps to move on in a positive way and doing their part in forging a better relationship all around, there appears to be a culture of closing ranks and denying, whilst making the parent out to be some sort of fool. That is not on.
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How nice that would be. A complete turn-around from the school. I think you are right, Rufus, that that is what is needed.

However, since thus far they haven't seemed to show the slightest indication of so going (except once, from the Inspector, if I recall correctly), I wouldn't set much store by it's suddenly happening.

When one is dealing with others who are set in their behaviour patterns, one can but beg them to change (and so far, this seems to have failed). Or else one has to change one's own tactic.
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Exactly.


How nice that would be. A complete turn-around from the school. I think you are right, Rufus, that that is what is needed.

However, since thus far they haven't seemed to show the slightest indication of so going (except once, from the Inspector, if I recall correctly), I wouldn't set much store by it's suddenly happening.

When one is dealing with others who are set in their behaviour patterns, one can but beg them to change (and so far, this seems to have failed). Or else one has to change one's own tactic.
Your last paragraph... no. I'm sorry. No. We are not dealing with a social situation. This is a school and its staff who are very much appearing to fail in their duty of care. It is a huge issue. I know I'm coming at it two-fold and possibly unhelpfully as both someone who works in this profession and from a UK standpoint but... add the increasing emotion of a parent... no. No begging. Facts. Notes. Records kept and distributed just as Swisstree says.

To be blunt, if, in my classroom, I had laid hands on any child, SEN or not, and removed a piece of medical equipment from them and this got back to either a parent, a colleague, my line manager... I would be massively in the shit. And quite rightly so. I would be in the wrong. End of. And would then need to talk to my union rep. Who would be unimpressed to say the least. It's that serious. There would be repercussions. The only thing I could do would be to own up, apologise, hope it was accepted and take what was coming. Ranks would not close around me.

You just do not do what this woman did and then make out it was nothing. You don't dismiss a child just because they may - ok, do - cause you additional work. You don't suggest the child is at fault for something you have done and you sure as hell don't shift your failings onto the parent. That is the job.

And we wonder why teachers burn out...
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If this was happening to me, not only would I be take my kid out, I would gather my paper work together, collate/ timeline it and send copies off to managers, educations heads and escalate a rather big complaint..

If the two teacher numpties are doing that to one kid, you may be sure they're doing it to all. They should not be in education.. packing boxes in a supermarket or a warehouse would be a more suitable profession, one where they would do less harm.
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Rufus, I think we're on the same side. I agree, totally, that this school sounds severely remiss, in many, many regards. And I think they should change, definitely.

My point is simply that given that they are not doing their job properly, it would be wise for dragoneiric to face that fact very squarely. Given that they seem to be confident that they are within their rights, or else indifferent, and given that they have not apologized for their other errors, up till now, it doesn't seem realistic to imagine that they're going to start to do so now. Even if they should.

Facing up to the reality of the many bad experiences in this schoo, would mean, for me, that if it were my child, my efforts would now be directed into researching the various routes to get that child out of there into a different school.

Also, given the fear for the other child's school life, and given the husband's reasoning about how to approach the school, and the huge effort this whole matter is demanding, I would be looking - in a second round of research - for systemic family therapy.
Then the whistle needs to be blown on the whole school.

Confused about the therapy suggestion though. Genuinely. Not being facetious or awkward.

OP: strap on your battle gear* and go straight to the top.

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I'm sorry he's ill.

They must know what the meeting is about, surely, unless the Gestalten (?spelling, sorry) teacher hasn't told anyone what she did and how unhappy you are - which is bloody foolish on her account.
Thanks, nothing serious and convenient timing!
Surely they must know? I think they must. But maybe the Gestalten teacher has kept it to herself and the class teacher really is in the dark.

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Yes, I suspect this would happen. There's a small chance, if I'm reticent and they genuinely don't know what it's for, of an honest reaction.

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This really me but I'm his mum!


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If you felt like there was a threat I would absolutely raise this in the meeting. Write down exactly what you want to say, as factually and politely as possible so as not to stumble should emotions rise. But I wouldn't ignore it. Chances are she will deny and make some comment about you having misunderstood. I'd say you are prepared to accept you may have misunderstood her clearly badly phrased response but that your understanding generally is absolutely fine, thank you. It seems to me you need to make them aware once and for all that your German is perfectly adequate. You are insulted that they suggest otherwise.

Change the dynamic.

With respect, this school, these people, know what they have and haven't done. They will already be preparing. They just want to control the conversation, IMO and I wouldn't stand for it.

OP: let's hope they begin with a sincere apology and demonstrate a genuine desire to move forward in a positive supportive manner that does not again attempt to undermine or belittle you.

Are you going with your husband? Or taking a friend with you?

Good luck.
Maybe not a threat as such, but the insinuation was there. Repeated a couple of times. If you complain, we'll make things (even more) uncomfortable for your son. I did write a letter, I did not yet send it to anyone. So I have the details to refer to if I need to.

Well, we can all hope that pigs can fly I suppose. I don't expect an apology, although it would be nice. I'll settle for an improvement in the status quo.

Of course they offered a time, the "only one possible", in the middle of the day so husband won't be able to get there. My neighbour will watch the kids, so it'll be me on my own. Hence the though of maybe I should just surreptitiously record the convo and use it to paper trail afterwards.
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As far as I know (just checked again, googling) it is illegal to record a conversation, unless one has obtained permission from the others involved.
Ok. Thank you for looking. In that case, it will have to be paper records in the meeting. But the second they question my German I will suggest in that case they can have no problem with my recording the conversation so that I can go over it later to make sure I have understood everything correctly.
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You need to take someone with you, a witness to what will be said/agreed/planned. You need to have back up.. otherwise you are at the she said, you said, all over again and going around in circles..

Preferably someone who speaks SG, who can verify and establish meaning to prevent any confusion or the teachers will use the excuse that you failed to understand them or explain your points clearly, etc.

It really is a constant waste of energy and faff. You're getting nowhere.
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I'm going to try to answer you, Rufus.

My reasoning for recommending Family Systemic Therapy comes from the fact that OP sounds like she’s frazzled.

She has a huge amount on her plate, and it sounds as if she doesn’t have much support. She is working 50% (with a heavier load during term-time), her husband 100%, they have two children, one with special needs. There’s confusion about whether or not a diagnosis has, or has not, been made, or should or should not be made, and about the significance of a diagnosis. There are three lots of therapy, and each child has extramural activities, and there are meetings with the school. That’s a lot to juggle.

In one post OP says she is not fluent in German, and that she sometimes queries things or asks her husband to translate. Elsewhere she says her German suffices. The school has repeatedly said they don’t think it does.

For the reasons of language, or for the reason of being able to stand strong against the school’s once again saying her command of German is insufficient, and also for support, and to take written notes, OP has repeatedly been encouraged to take someone along who speaks Swiss German, to all the meetings, yet once again she is going alone. This despite having, as she wrote, the children’s grandparents, aunts and uncles in Switzerland, and despite having contact with people who live in their village.

OP describes herself and her husband as having “jumped hoops” at the school for over four years. Even so, they have chosen to persist in a school situation which is not good for their son, and/or not good for them, into a fifth year.

Even after all they have tried, the same old patterns are persisting in the school.

The communication between the two sides (one side being the array of the school staff, the other being OP and her husband), sounds severely deficient, as does the communication within the school itself, between staff members.

The child was allocated a Teaching Assistant, who did or did not do her job, who did or did not stand in the way of communication with the teacher, or was to be a bridge to that end, and later this benefit was removed, but apparently not because the boy no longer needed it.

Of a meeting about the Teaching Assistant, OP’s husband “reckon[ed] if we let TA talk long enough she will dig herself a hole she can't get out of.”
to which Jim responded:
«I have to say I find that very disturbing... the last thing your son needs is a parent playing silly buggers. All he is doing is making himself part of the problem rather than the solution. Not good.»
and Swisstree exclaimed:
«And how is this going to help?! She'll dig herself in a hole and be even less willing to communicate and work with you. Goodness, this is nonsense.»
When OP said she wanted to call the paediatrician before a school meeting, her husband stopped her from doing so:
«“Husband has said I'm not to call KA (yes, did mean Kinderarzt) until we hear what they come up with at next meeting.»
Even though OP and her husband knew there was a lot of miscommunication, when the boy failed the school year, she and her husband were totally surprised. They had not heard anything about any deficiencies in his progress, but had also not pro-actively made any enquiries of their own accord, about how he was doing, having assumed that no news is good news.

The current dispute is one of many. This time it is about the doctor’s instructions that the child should wear a sling and not hold anything in his hand, after an injury, which has been disregarded by the art teacher.

I find it a source of concern that, even knowing the many failures of the school’s internal communication system, OP chose to inform only one (or two?) staff members, instead of them all. Rufus has rightly argued that this ought to suffice, yet it seems folly to me to persist in behaving as if things will work out as they ought to, when the evidence thus far has shown so much to the contrary.

OP, I don’t understand what is keeping you submitting to going round and round in new futile iterations of the same kind of disregard from the school, rather than actually changing something fundamentally about the situation. I don’t understand how you and your husband can have tolerated this very displeasing set-up for so long, to your son’s detriment.

That is not a criticism, and not meant unkindly. I think you’re going through a great deal of worry, and in difficult circumstances.

I’m not there, and I can’t see what’s going on. But I can say that from here , looking on from outside, it seems to me that something or someone must be stopping you from getting your child into safety, and a chance to be happier.

I genuinely don’t understand what could possibly motivate you to persist in what you’re doing, when it must be a huge drain on your energy.

Perhaps you’re too exhausted to dare to make a significant change for the better, too worn down from the past five years. Perhaps you’re too lonely, or perhaps you feel there’s no hope or no help anyway. Perhaps it drains your energy that even when you do decide on a measures you want to take, your husband is against them, or perhaps his attitude alarms you, too, as it does others on this thread, or perhaps things have worn you down so that you don’t even find it alarming.

That's not just random hypothesizing, but a real attempt to understand, on the basis of what OP has posted, what the missing piece of the puzzle could possibly be.

I have set this down, here, as an answer to Rufus' gentle and genuine question of why I suggest Systemic Family Therapy (which is merely one suggestion amongst many which could potentially bring relief). Systemic Therapy has the benefit of not casting anyone in the permanent role of scapegoat, but of helping everyone to understand how the criss-cross network of relationships affects each person and the whole.

What you are each individually going through doesn’t seem to be good for you (plural). I doubt that it can be healthy to keep plugging away for so long, within such unsatisfactory patterns of communication, with such great frustration and so little yield, and that concerns me. I wonder - if you and your husband choose to continue to go along with things in the same manner, as they keep repeating, over and over - whether your remaining resources will be diminished further, and what your level of health will be, and that of your husband and daughter, and of course of your son, in a year or two from now.

I hope you find what you need.
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In one post OP says she is not fluent in German, and that she sometimes queries things or asks her husband to translate. Elsewhere she says her German suffices. The school has repeatedly said they don’t think it does.

For the reasons of language, or for the reason of being able to stand strong against the school’s once again saying her command of German is insufficient, and also for support, and to take written notes, OP has repeatedly been encouraged to take someone along who speaks Swiss German, to all the meetings, yet once again she is going alone. This despite having, as she wrote, the children’s grandparents, aunts and uncles in Switzerland, and despite having contact with people who live in their village.
Grandparents are on holiday, aunts don't speak German anyway, uncles work. My neighbour who is rushing home is doing so to look after the kids. The childless people I know in the village also work. Those that aren't also work or have their own children to get to activities after school. My other neighbours who are around during the day, one family are Italian/French speaking, another Thai/English, the other is elderly, hard of hearing and just out of hospital. There is simply no permutation of leaving my children with anyone and taking someone to the meeting with me.
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Yes, dragoneiric, I can see that. It worries me, for you, that you don't seem to have enough support in this. I hope that situation can change and you'll manage to find someone for the future meetings.

I wish you strength and courage for the meeting today!
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Grandparents are on holiday, aunts don't speak German anyway, uncles work. My neighbour who is rushing home is doing so to look after the kids. The childless people I know in the village also work. Those that aren't also work or have their own children to get to activities after school. My other neighbours who are around during the day, one family are Italian/French speaking, another Thai/English, the other is elderly, hard of hearing and just out of hospital. There is simply no permutation of leaving my children with anyone and taking someone to the meeting with me.
If you are worried about the language aspect you could request for a translator to be present during meetings.
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If you are worried about the language aspect you could request for a translator to be present during meetings.
Great idea - do you request a translator through the Gemeinde or the school does any one know?

If one can not be found, insist the meeting takes place at a time when some one can translate and/or be there to support you.
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Grandparents are on holiday, aunts don't speak German anyway, uncles work. My neighbour who is rushing home is doing so to look after the kids. The childless people I know in the village also work. Those that aren't also work or have their own children to get to activities after school. My other neighbours who are around during the day, one family are Italian/French speaking, another Thai/English, the other is elderly, hard of hearing and just out of hospital. There is simply no permutation of leaving my children with anyone and taking someone to the meeting with me.
Try Rent-a-rentner. Retired people who are happy to extend a service. I think they've been recommended on here in the past so they must be ok. Haven't used them personally but if you're in a pinch it might help?
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Great idea - do you request a translator through the Gemeinde or the school does any one know?

If one can not be found, insist the meeting takes place at a time when some one can translate and/or be there to support you.
I don’t know how it works in other places but the school provides translators here in Neuchâtel but they need to be requested in advance.

I have occasionally been asked to act as translator during parent teacher meetings.
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Try Rent-a-rentner. Retired people who are happy to extend a service. I think they've been recommended on here in the past so they must be ok. Haven't used them personally but if you're in a pinch it might help?
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Re: Notifying school about medication?

Well there was some closing of ranks. Class teacher (C) couldn't remember if she had told Gestalten Teacher (G). G couldn't remember if C had told her and she had forgotten or if C hadn't told her. C apologised for the failure in communication

Of course they knew what the meeting was about, TA said when she got there my son was quite upset and whispered to her that G had "removed or repositioned" (she couldn't remember) his sling. --> to me this means my son was telling the truth as I'm certain she would have said he had it wrong if that had been the case.

Both C & TA didn't want to talk about G behind her back, wanted to get her, but I refused and said I'd spoken to her and this was about raising issues which concerned me from this incident and I needed advice on what to do next. I said I wasn't going to get into a "she said, I said, she said" discussion, this was the impression I had been left with and it's not ok. That I wasn't sure if I should go straight to the headmaster, or out of the school, that I'd asked around and had been told to come to C first. They agreed this was the case.

C and TA were genuinely horrified I'd been warned off complaining.

I said exactly what had happened, he was playing with my daughter, leaves being thrown around - they both immediately grinned, he gets a fit of hysterical laughter if leaves blow around, and clearly they know this. So they were both shocked when I said about G immediately trying to use this as proof of my son enjoying the conflict he had caused and trying to play us off, parents vs school. They know it is not his character (and, to be honest, that he is not emotionally capable of this). TA was quite explicit they knew this was not the case at all. C sat back down and there was no more suggestion of going to get G.

TA was also not happy with G's attitude to him and I made sure I used "speziell" enough that they were uncomfortable with it, whilst making it clear I was quoting G. They agreed that any other child would be asked if they had understood if they weren't doing anything and both C and TA were quite unhappy when they registered this point.

The TA was 100% clear that she has spoken to G about summaries, check-lists and checking he's ok and was not happy at the suggestion it was yet another communication error. (Maybe G has forgotten about it!) She also did not know he was not participating in the first lesson.

Their initial solution is to try to change TA's lesson plan so she is with my son in G's class (she's currently in G's husband's class for that lesson...) rather than assume that G can treat my son as anything other than an oddity.

I have sent an email this morning, thanking them for reassuring me that my son won't be disadvantaged if I raise issues with the school. Thanking them for acknowledging their errors in communication and that I trust they won't happen again. (Well, I'm not sure on that part, but it sounded more polite!).
Recapping and asking they let me know how successful the strategies we discussed are, and what is going on re. TA and class changing or if G is prepared to use any of the strategies we talked about.

We'll see. Thanks for the advice and tempering of my temper.
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