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Hi, I'm looking into options to take our 15 year old to Zurich for 4 months. She would be a Junior in school (grade 11) but doesn't speak any German (either do we). Is there any options for her? She has specific core courses to take and we do not want to damage her grades.
I'll appreciate any help

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What about enrolling her in a 4 month language course (French or German, depending on where you are staying)? That takes care of the socialisation aspect, then organise some self study online maybe in conjunction with a tutor / school from where you come from to keep her general grades up.
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Hi, I'm looking into options to take our 15 year old to Zurich for 4 months. She would be a Junior in school (grade 11) but doesn't speak any German (either do we). Is there any options for her? She has specific core courses to take and we do not want to damage her grades.
I'll appreciate any help

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You don't want to ruin her grades, you don't or can't pay for a private school, you don't think it is a bit egoistic to uproot your child at this critical age for a 4 month assignment, as you so correctly say, "4 months is a long time, especially at her age..."


Maybe think of her a bit more.....
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

Why not just leave her home for the four months?

In any case, she probably won't be able to get into a public school as you won't actually be resident, she is past the age for mandatory schooling, and doesn't speak the language!

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What about enrolling her in a 4 month language course (French or German, depending on where you are staying)? That takes care of the socialisation aspect, then organise some self study online maybe in conjunction with a tutor / school from where you come from to keep her general grades up.
and agree she will probably have to re-take the year when back home to catch up... or as, said, find a solution so she can stay back home with family or friends- and visit you a couple of times. As others said, it is a key and crucial stage at 15.
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You don't want to ruin her grades, you don't or can't pay for a private school, you don't think it is a bit egoistic to uproot your child at this critical age for a 4 month assignment, as you so correctly say, "4 months is a long time, especially at her age..."


Maybe think of her a bit more.....
What if she takes up some intensive language courses and then finalises them with a nice C1 certificate? If her interests are veered towards humanistic sciences and she plans to make her further studies in this area that wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

OP, although my first reaction was something along this line (Today only's post) I think there can be benefits to have your child with you, instead of staying home with relatives or whatever temporary solution you can find and out of your sight...

Is she interested in foreign languages, cultures etc.? If not, and she can't make make up for her absence with online courses, and on top of that is attached to her friends....you're in trouble. I would think twice before making this move, no matter how exciting and posh it may seem. Good luck, anyway.
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What if she takes up some intensive language courses and then finalises them with a nice C1 certificate? If her interests are veered towards humanistic sciences and she plans to make her further studies in this area that wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

OP, although my first reaction was something along this line (Today only's post) I think there can be benefits to have your child with you, instead of staying home with relatives or whatever temporary solution you can find and out of your sight...

Is she interested in foreign languages, cultures etc.? If not, and she can't make make up for her absence with online courses, and on top of that is attached to her friends....you're in trouble. I would think twice before making this move, no matter how exciting and posh it may seem. Good luck, anyway.



We're talking about a 15 year old kid, still at school who has "specific core subjects" and is here for 4 months.


You really think she'll have time for intensive German lessons up to C1 ability ?


It's basically going to be detrimental to the child's' education to move for such a short period.



Find a solution at home or renounce this wonderful 4 month opportunity in the name of greater things, ie your child's education at such a critical age
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We're talking about a 15 year old kid, still at school who has "specific core subjects" and is here for 4 months.


You really think she'll have time for intensive German lessons up to C1 ability ?
I went from 0 to C2 in French in nine months at that age, but that was living with a French family where both parents were teachers who made me do dictation daily, extra classes at school (French for my grade and the two previous), etc. And I thank all involved for that!

Four months, forget it, it's just a vacation.

My daughter went to the US for six months at that age, as she had already finished her obligatory schooling, and it was a better choice than hanging around the house. But she was already fully literate in English, and she actually enjoyed the ESL classes that she was place in (she lived with my sister and family). Living with English speaking parents for four months, whe will learn little German.

In short, a very BAD idea!

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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

I don’t think that it is necessarily a very bad idea but the poster needs to think very carefully about what she wants to achieve from it and what consequences it may have for her daughter.

If they can accept that unless the daughter does online courses and keeps up with the core subjects she would most likely have to repeat the year when they get back then it could be a fantastic experience for her.
A four month ‘holiday’ in Europe could be an amazing cultural learning experience for her, especially if they found the time to visit neighbouring countries. Sometimes one just has to look at the bigger picture.

Aside from doing some language classes it will be impossible for her to do any form of formal education here. Even if they hadn’t discounted international schools as being too expensive I very much doubt that they would have a place for such a short stay.

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We're talking about a 15 year old kid, still at school who has "specific core subjects" and is here for 4 months.


You really think she'll have time for intensive German lessons up to C1 ability ?


It's basically going to be detrimental to the child's' education to move for such a short period.



Find a solution at home or renounce this wonderful 4 month opportunity in the name of greater things, ie your child's education at such a critical age
Indeed, maybe C1 it's too ambitious a goal and I have no idea about her daughter's abilities. Anyway, the point was she can get somewhere after some intensive language classes.

Detrimental...I don't know. Worst case scenario - she'll repeat one school year but gain another type of experience. It all depends on what OP and her child want.
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

It entirely depends on the young person's personality and her relationship with her parents, and of course what she wants to do as her career. If the reason to take her with the parents is actually the fact that parents do not trust her hanging around her relatives for 4 months and keep up her studies, it may be worse here when she has to adjust to a new environment for a short time and the only familiar thing for her will be her folks' supervision. Stressful. But in the long run it could be better for her autonomy.

I, personally, support the cultural exposure, even if she struggles with the local language and is lost at first.

If keeping her grades and enrolling her is a priority, then for that reason we have a system of private schools.

If that is not an option - try contacting the cantonal director for post-ob schooling to have her enrolled in a local gymnase as an "auditeur", I know that could work out. Or, send a letter in a local language directly to a director of a local gymnase. She will sit in the classes, but won't be evaluated nor get grades. After that she can repeat her own school year back home. She has to realise it would be an exception and should appreciate it. If not, home school her for 4 months. It is entirely doable but she will miss on the social life here and it would be a shame. Vocational schools with friendly edu admin might let her sit in as well, but then again, depends on her vision of her career. A good school manager will realize a new comer might bring a lot of interesting ideas and attitudes, and be positively inclined.

Being transplanted to a new culture doesn't have to be a disaster for one's career. There are teens who have done it on their own in that age. I have to say it was extraordinary.

Local 12th class might take her as an "auditeur" too, less strain on the system but they would not again be obligated at all, either. The best would be to contact the local office for post-ob schooling, explain what kind of child you have and what her priorities are, and kindly ask them for advice. There will be cantonal differences. Bon courage!
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

Paobruno, to better target our advice, it might be helpful if you gave us a general idea of what your daughter's current high school course load is and what her university (or other post-secondary) plans are.

For instance, it might be helpful if you gave us a general idea of what range of universities she is targeting, what course of study she is considering, is she looking at early decision, is she hoping for scholarships, etc. Also helpful would be a better understanding of what courses she would miss, how many credits she might fall short to graduate with her class, should she come with you to Switzerland.

And, when are you proposing to come to Switzerland? Depending on the timing of your assignment, could the four months lost be partly made up in a summer sessions, or a heavier workload in her senior year?

What has her high school said about the proposed trip?

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FYI, colleagues who have been in sort of similar situations with a high school student here have opted to either leave the teenager at home to complete studies or negotiated a distance option with the school so that the student could slot back in on return. One hired tutors here to supplement the distance course teaching.
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

Wow! I guess I was away for the forum for too long! Lots have happened since the last time we posted.
Thanks for all the will intended messages, the idea of extra curricular activities is great! We’ll look in the municipalities to try to get involved with people.
Now, I don’t have much experience with forums but people can be harsh... well, I’ll just take the good, thanks!
Now we have her enrolled in state online school that supports 100% her school curriculum and will continue second semester in school here back home when we return in January So it will be a little lonely but she won’t get behind.
Thankfully our relationship is good, haha 😆 she’s a teenager! But we get along pretty well the 3 of us. Another thing I didn’t point out is that we have 0 family here, none! And friends are good but I don’t think she liked the idea when I suggested it. She’s happy to go but nervous. A compromise we did is that her best friend will come visit on thanksgiving, at least she will have some company.
I’ll check all the wonderful ideas you suggested ☺️. It IS a great opportunity and even the fact of taking a semester online will benefit her learning experience (she is taking one online now to get use to it) and the fact that she will be exposed to a different environment/society. We’ve travel a lot so it won’t be her first, but we’ve never been away for this long. Wish us luck and please tell us if you think of something else .
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Paobruno, to better target our advice, it might be helpful if you gave us a general idea of what your daughter's current high school course load is and what her university (or other post-secondary) plans are.

For instance, it might be helpful if you gave us a general idea of what range of universities she is targeting, what course of study she is considering, is she looking at early decision, is she hoping for scholarships, etc. Also helpful would be a better understanding of what courses she would miss, how many credits she might fall short to graduate with her class, should she come with you to Switzerland.

And, when are you proposing to come to Switzerland? Depending on the timing of your assignment, could the four months lost be partly made up in a summer sessions, or a heavier workload in her senior year?

What has her high school said about the proposed trip?

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FYI, colleagues who have been in sort of similar situations with a high school student here have opted to either leave the teenager at home to complete studies or negotiated a distance option with the school so that the student could slot back in on return. One hired tutors here to supplement the distance course teaching.
Thanks! This is very helpful! We’ll be there in September
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Hello All,

I was wondering if some of you would be interested to have their teenagers do meet ups with other English speaking teenagers in Nyon or Gland?

Also, do any of you do homeschool? Our homeschool group is growing by the second in VAUD. Please let me know.

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Hi SwissMissSteph,
I am a school consultant and since more and more parents ask me about homeschooling options, I am currently doing some research into homeschooling regulations in Switzerland. It is not quite clear to me if Vaud allows parents to teach in a language of instruction different from the national language. Can you help? Thanks Stefanie
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

I've known a few kids here in VD homeschooled in English, which is not a national language, so seems to be allowed unless something has changed recently.
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I've known a few kids here in VD homeschooled in English, which is not a national language, so seems to be allowed unless something has changed recently.
It is allowed but they are in the process of revising legislation potentially making it necessary to hold a teacher qualification in the future. Looks like this will be decided by the end of the summer.
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