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English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

Hello All,

I was wondering if some of you would be interested to have their teenagers do meet ups with other English speaking teenagers in Nyon or Gland?

Also, do any of you do homeschool? Our homeschool group is growing by the second in VAUD. Please let me know.

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Old 21.08.2018, 23:28
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

My question is genuine- what will be the future options for your kids in the future?
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

We were "highly advised" against homeschooling by the school, with a not too hidden message that there will be discrimination/retaliation against the kids when they later return to public school as teenagers (ex. 7th grade or start of high school), or that there will be no path to college should they homeschool all the way through high school. Our reason for looking at this possibility was and is a pretty strong one. We brought on board the school, the school social worker, and a psychologist, so not just a whim.

So, Odile, unfortunately, just like you infer, Switzerland is still a "one size fits all" case, to the detriment of some of our kids.
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Hello All,

I was wondering if some of you would be interested to have their teenagers do meet ups with other English speaking teenagers in Nyon or Gland?

Also, do any of you do homeschool? Our homeschool group is growing by the second in VAUD. Please let me know.

thanks

Great, they will miss the oportunity to mix in with local kids and to learn a second language.....
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Hello All,

I was wondering if some of you would be interested to have their teenagers do meet ups with other English speaking teenagers in Nyon or Gland?

Also, do any of you do homeschool? Our homeschool group is growing by the second in VAUD. Please let me know.

thanks

Hello there,


We are home educating our kid so it is a good idea. How can we get in contact? Thank you. Gina
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So, Odile, unfortunately, just like you infer, Switzerland is still a "one size fits all" case, to the detriment of some of our kids.
How to the detriment?

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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

I took FunnyBone to mean that a child who does not fit the norm 100% has a harder time in Switzerland than, perhaps, in another country, because the Swiss system, at least as their family has encountered it, is geared towards standard solutions, with less focus or less room for children who don't match that standard, and that that can hurt the child.
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I took FunnyBone to mean that a child who does not fit the norm 100% has a harder time in Switzerland than, perhaps, in another country, because the Swiss system, at least as their family has encountered it, is geared towards standard solutions, with less focus or less room for children who don't match that standard, and that that can hurt the child.
And how is that different from anywhere else?

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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

Yes, I understood what Funnybone meant, thanks.

But my question remains.

If it is allowed to home educate children in English or in any case, not the local language- I would say that options in the futre for those children, in Switzerland, will be VERY limited - not because of the narrow Swiss system- as such- but because it would be impossible at a later stage to rejoin mainstream- should a child decide s/he wants to go to Uni, study medicine, or archelogoy, or ... do an apprenticeship, etc, etc. Hence my question.

If those children do acquire a very solid level in the local language, + another Swiss language- then it would be different. I am therefore VERY surprised that inspectors from the Cantonal education authorities would agree to limiting their future options as such.

OP has pm'ed me to say she does not want a debate on the issue. I think it is worth discussing.
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OP has pm'ed me to say she does not want a debate on the issue. I think it is worth discussing.
I agree. It's very dangerous to ignore any discussions like this when it can have such an enormous impact on the kids future.

Why are they being home-schooled and is their future in Switzerland? They are being robbed of a chance to learn the language, meet local friends and integrate into the country so I would hope there is a very good reason why.

I hope the OP thinks very seriously about this as it could end up with their children resenting them.
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

Yes, Odile and Kreeeee, I agree, too, that this discussion is worth having.

Though there may be arguments in favour of home-schooling, (for example, if a child experiences every day at school as pure hell, and no-one can find out what could make it better) and of English-medium private Schools (for example, if the child is nearly finished School when he/she arrives in Switzerland, and is already set to return to study in his/her country of origin), this question of the local language and not only that but building local friendships can be enormously important for the future of children who grow up in Switzerland.

I have seen it happen to children of ex-pat parents who, when they arrived, believed that their stay here would be for two years, and that by educating their children in English, they were thereby preserving their children's future for when they got back home.

As it so often does, with immigrants of many strata, the world over, those two years became three, then five, and suddenly the children were completing a foreign school-leaving qualification in Switzerland, which did not serve them to enter into any course of further education in Switzerland, and moreover, they did not command a local language, and besides that their only friends were other ex-pat kids who either left the country or hung around similarly depressed not managing to find a way to dock into any aspect of Swiss life, neither social, nor educational, nor professional.

If, for whatever reason, one does choose to home-school or to send one's child to a non-local-language school, I hope provision is made for them to become fully familiar with the Swiss way of doing things, to gain a good command of the local Swiss language, and to make friends with local children.
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

Yes, there are many issues to consider.

One is 'home education' and the pros and cons, and the second 'home education in a different language to the local one, and possibly culture, literature, history, geography, civic sudies, etc - which would present very different difficulties as regards future options.

I have taught several home schooled chidren up to Baccalaureat level here, but they were taught in French, followed the French syllabus closely (they are in France not CH) and took the same exams- and 2 were able to go on to Uni- one doing his Masters now. I taught them English and German as parents were not able to do so. I could discuss at length my observations and the pros and cons of Home Education from the above experience (all the children had very different abilities and ways of dealing with all sorts of things) - but I just could not imagine what their options would have been, had they not been taught in French, with a syllabus which enabled them to go on to Uni, for two of them, and an apprenticeship for the third.
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And how is that different from anywhere else?

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I don't know. Yet when I read posts from parents and teachers of children with Special Needs, there seems to be a trend, in the UK, to jump to it and get the assessments done and for the school to adapt to the child. I don't know if my impression is correct, but that's what I seem to be reading.

It sounds like the UK school system (teachers, psychologists, teaching assistants, doctors if need be) already knows a range of modules which can be applied, or at least that gaining access to them is faster, or that procedures to monitor them are more rigorously applied, than what I have heard here.
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

Agreed, the UK school system is way ahead when it comes to the treatment of Special Needs. In principle and theory sadly nowadays, as schools are being starved of funds.


Very difficult, and probably impossible, to apply the brilliant principles of UK SEN policy and experience- in classes of 32 without qualified support, sadly.

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My question is genuine- what will be the future options for your kids in the future?
I would imagine they would be the same as for kids who are educated in the international schools. They will probably go on to study further in universities overseas. You are assuming that these kids are going to be staying in Switzerland and pursuing their careers here.

There are lots of homeschooling programmes for parents to follow and the kids can sit exams as external candidates to get the qualifications they need to gain entry into uni. Being home educated in one language doesn’t necessarily mean they have no exposure to the local language either, they can also be members of clubs and socialise outside the home environment and probably also learn at least one foreign language as part of their studies.
I know several families who homeschool in a variety of languages and following a variety of programmes and they all seem to be doing fine.

The only ones I know who have progressed beyond school are in Belgium rather than Switzerland but things work in a very similar way there. The oldest boy is now in his third year of studying medicine at Sheffield and the youngest is about to go to study maths at Southampton. They were both active in sports clubs in the area and can speak fluent French even though that wasn’t the language they were schooled in.

Homeschooling wouldn’t be my choice but it is a good option for some.
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

There’s an article about homeschooling ( in French) in the tdg this week.

https://lookaside.fbsbx.com/file/pag...2d7p5JH2d0Xlag
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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

This thread reminds me of Captain Fantastic movie....hehe.

Seriously though, some homeschooled kids are better adjusted and happier than the others but this is not the goal of school, is it.

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I would imagine they would be the same as for kids who are educated in the international schools. They will probably go on to study further in universities overseas. You are assuming that these kids are going to be staying in Switzerland and pursuing their careers here.
This.

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Re: English speaking teens and homeschool Vaud

Not assuming anything BM.

But as Dorofiz says ^As it so often does, with immigrants of many strata, the world over, those two years became three, then five, and suddenly the children were completing a foreign school-leaving qualification in Switzerland, which did not serve them to enter into any course of further education in Switzerland, and moreover, they did not command a local language, and besides that their only friends were other ex-pat kids who either left the country or hung around similarly depressed not managing to find a way to dock into any aspect of Swiss life, neither social, nor educational, nor professional.^

life sometimes takes strange turns. Few parents, even when combined with other families, have the qualifications, knowlege and skills to teach a rich but solid curriculum, let alone teaching about a different culture, geography, history, etc, etc - and the acquisition of 2 foreign languages which will allow those children to re-enter the education system at a later stage.

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Not assuming anything BM.

But as Dorofiz says ^As it so often does, with immigrants of many strata, the world over, those two years became three, then five, and suddenly the children were completing a foreign school-leaving qualification in Switzerland, which did not serve them to enter into any course of further education in Switzerland, and moreover, they did not command a local language, and besides that their only friends were other ex-pat kids who either left the country or hung around similarly depressed not managing to find a way to dock into any aspect of Swiss life, neither social, nor educational, nor professional.^

life sometimes takes strange turns. Few parents, even when combined with other families, have the qualifications, knowlege and skills to teach a rich but solid curriculum.
While I can see the others' point of view I have to agree with you on this one. My first concern would be language acquisition. It is damn frustrating to know you're not on par with native speakers when you need it most. It takes away from you a hell lot of opportunities, trust me. And then, of course, I just happen to have loved school, structure etc. as a kid. Not that homeschooling is an option where I come from, but still. I want the same life around school for my kids too, there's no way I would even think to deprive them of such a thing.
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If those children do acquire a very solid level in the local language, + another Swiss language- then it would be different. I am therefore VERY surprised that inspectors from the Cantonal education authorities would agree to limiting their future options as such.
I think it is more than that. Kids have to learn about the world, they have to learn how to deal with all kinds of situations and all types of people. They have to learn that bad things happen and there are bad people out there. The need to develop their social skills and start to figure out their place in it. And I don’t believe you do them any service by shielding them from it, only to toss them in at the deep end at the last minute.
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