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Re: Experiences with public schools in Basel?

Thatís right, neither of us parents speak German.
We have every intention to learn, but maybe that isnít enough.

The jury is still out on this one...
And thanks so much for the insight and opinions and shared experiences!!!
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Thatís right, neither of us parents speak German.
We have every intention to learn, but maybe that isnít enough.

The jury is still out on this one...
And thanks so much for the insight and opinions and shared experiences!!!
Well you will both get private tuition in German from your children at reduced rates!
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Old 01.10.2018, 20:31
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That’s right, neither of us parents speak German.
We have every intention to learn, but maybe that isn’t enough.

The jury is still out on this one...
And thanks so much for the insight and opinions and shared experiences!!!
There are rules concerning the expectations of children who do not have at least one parent who speaks fluent German. These are written in the rules and laws of Baselland (can't say for BS). In the early years of being here, for example, streaming is not supposed to be based on the German fluency of the child, but rather how they are doing not considering their language skills.

I say "not supposed to" as not all teachers are fully aware of the rules in force, and may need them pointing out.
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Re: Experiences with public schools in Basel?

Reviving this not too old thread. Looking for information on whether there are public schools in Basel that have a more arts and/or music or sports, etc, leaning? Or are all the schools going to be standardized with not much room for anything different?

We are moving for only one year to Basel and hoping to find a school for my soon to be 8 year old who loves music, art, and sports. If I could find a public school that he could feel comfortable in, I am hoping he will have a slightly easier time at it. He isn't the greatest with languages (currently bilingual but was a late talker and still struggles with grammar in both langagues) but he is eager to learn and is in german classes now so he won't feel completely lost (yes I realize swiss german will be completely different but alas there are no swiss german classes around and I mostly want him to be somewhat familiar with the different sounds, etc).
I have tried going through the different public schools on the Kanton website but it is tedious and I am not finding what I am looking for.

Any information would be appreciated or any links where I can more easily find this type of info....
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Reviving this not too old thread. Looking for information on whether there are public schools in Basel that have a more arts and/or music or sports, etc, leaning? Or are all the schools going to be standardized with not much room for anything different?

We are moving for only one year to Basel and hoping to find a school for my soon to be 8 year old who loves music, art, and sports. If I could find a public school that he could feel comfortable in, I am hoping he will have a slightly easier time at it. He isn't the greatest with languages (currently bilingual but was a late talker and still struggles with grammar in both langagues) but he is eager to learn and is in german classes now so he won't feel completely lost (yes I realize swiss german will be completely different but alas there are no swiss german classes around and I mostly want him to be somewhat familiar with the different sounds, etc).
I have tried going through the different public schools on the Kanton website but it is tedious and I am not finding what I am looking for.

Any information would be appreciated or any links where I can more easily find this type of info....

He'll go to school in the catchment area of where you live.
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Basel has one of the highest percentage of kids entering Gymnasium in the country, so they must be doing something right.
To my understanding, there is no national standard to go to Gym.
Doesn't just mean that it is easier to go to Gym in Basel?
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Re: Experiences with public schools in Basel?

I would say that, yes, it is easier to go to gymi in Basel. As for arts, you will find that there is a reasonable amount. Kids have art as well textile and woodworking classes. Most schools have optional music classes on top of the regular lessons.
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The Cantons with the highest gymi starter ratios also have the highest ratios of gymi dropouts, as well as the highest ratios of "eternal" students and those who don't reach a degree.

Years lost and costs and efforts wasted.
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I would say that, yes, it is easier to go to gymi in Basel. As for arts, you will find that there is a reasonable amount. Kids have art as well textile and woodworking classes. Most schools have optional music classes on top of the regular lessons.

Swisscanmom, are you refering to general public schools at the primary level, by any chance? We are also headed to basel and my kids would love woodworking classes. Are these standard for all the public schools? or how can I go about finding out which ones offer such programs?

We are planning on taking our time to find an apartment so that we can hopefully, all the fingers crossed and knocking on wood and all that, find a place near a school we are happy with.
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Re: Experiences with public schools in Basel?

Based on our own experience and many conversations with principals of various private schools in Basel, I would not recommend the Swiss public school system for any child who is creative, bright, and wants to develop a broad worldview. The public school system in Switzerland is very much conformist and anti-intellectual. This may work for many students, but there are many who are being failed by the system. Especially the non-Swiss students.

I have heard countless complaints from the expat and immigrant parents about the public schools in BS. These include discrimination at school (different unwritten standards for Swiss vs. non-Swiss students), educational incompetence, lack of understanding of different cultures and different types of students and how these students learn, narrow-minded approaches to educating gifted and bright students, disregard for the importance of parental involvement in education and so on.
If your child falls into a narrow band of mediocrity that is accepted by the public schools in BS, then perhaps you will be fine. If you have a gifted/bright child who does not conform and likes to ask questions and learn at a faster pace, then public school system is not an option.
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Swisscanmom, are you refering to general public schools at the primary level, by any chance? We are also headed to basel and my kids would love woodworking classes. Are these standard for all the public schools? or how can I go about finding out which ones offer such programs?

We are planning on taking our time to find an apartment so that we can hopefully, all the fingers crossed and knocking on wood and all that, find a place near a school we are happy with.
Yes, the subject in question is called TTG, Textiles und Technisches Gestalten. It is part of the regular curriculum in primary and secondary school. Here in canton Berne kids have 2 lessons of Visual Arts plus 2-3 lessons of TTG per week. One Semester they will do textile arts (sewing, knitting, crochet, felt...), the 2nd Semester technical. Technical includes working with wood, metal, clay, etc. It will be similar in Basel, as the curriculum is the same.

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Yes, the subject in question is called TTG, Textiles und Technisches Gestalten. It is part of the regular curriculum in primary and secondary school. Here in canton Berne kids have 2 lessons of Visual Arts plus 2-3 lessons of TTG per week. One Semester they will do textile arts, the 2nd Semester technical. Technical includes working with wood, metal, clay, etc.
Itís the same here in Neuch‚tel although it has a different name obviously.

I wouldnít say the Swiss public schools stifled creativity based on my experience of them.
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Based on our own experience and many conversations with principals of various private schools in Basel, I would not recommend the Swiss public school system for any child who is creative, bright, and wants to develop a broad worldview.
I've three creative and bright adult children with a very broad worldview who successfully navigated the Swiss education system.

Creative - published short stories, theatrical plays performed in Basel to audiences of up to 2200, production of said plays, published art, public musical performances. One is training to be a secondary school teacher, one has a theoretical physics masters and works in IT, one is studying for her engineering degree.

The Swiss system has many things about it that are superior to the UK system. The UK system has many things about it thar are superior to the Swiss system. One thing it seems all countries have in common is that a minority will have problems with the schooling system. This is self-evidently true as it is not possible to cater for all kids and all abilities.

If parents are flexible and smart, they can make any schooling system work.
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If parents are flexible and smart, they can make any schooling system work.
This! It's also our experience, so far at least. Our kids are in the public school system of Baselland, but they attend various extra-curricular activities in BS. One particularly institution that we cannot recommend highly enough is the Gewerbeschule in Basel. They offer structured classes for precisely kids who have a deeper interest in an area that is not offered in school. Be it computer programming or building replica houses from wood. It is now the 3rd year since our kids attend it (different areas of interest and classes) and we're very happy with the way they work with kids.
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Re: Experiences with public schools in Basel?

Wow. That's the most ignorant thing I have heard in a long time.

Why did the CEO of one of the two biggest pharma companies in Basel decide to send both of his children to a private school in Basel?
The CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, Boring removed his children from the mainstream schools and had to open his own school. Are these people inflexible and stupid?
Many parents of gifted children opt to either homeschool or send their kids to special schools for (profoundly) gifted. Are these people inflexible and stupid? I don't think they are.

I expect to receive groans as you will not have any intelligent counterarguments here. By the way, getting a MS in theoretical physics only to work as an IT guy is not a great achievement.

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Wow. That's the most ignorant thing I have heard in a long time.

Why did the CEO of one of the two biggest pharma companies in Basel decide to send both of his children to a private school in Basel?
The CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, Boring removed his children from the mainstream schools and had to open his own school. Are these people inflexible and stupid?
Many parents of gifted children opt to either homeschool or send their kids to special schools for (profoundly) gifted. Are these people inflexible and stupid? I don't think they are.

I expect to receive groans as you will not have any intelligent counterarguments here. By the way, getting a MS in theoretical physics only to work as an IT guy is not a great achievement.
On balance, a lot of parents think their kids are "gifted" or "exceptional" then can't handle some teacher saying that, while they are probably adorable, they are simply outstandingly average.

If you chuck enough money at a private school, they'll often tell you whatever you want to hear...
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Wow. That's the most ignorant thing I have heard in a long time.

It's certainly well above the crap you spout....
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If you chuck enough money at a private school, they'll often tell you whatever you want to hear...
Oh, dear. Have you ever heard of psychologists who specialize in giftedness research? They use a battery of IQ tests and behavioral assessments to finally arrive at the "gifted" label? Perhaps not...
By the way, a 4 year old child with and IQ of 150 who reads and does maths at 2nd grade level is not by any means "average". Not even outstandingly so.

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Wow. That's the most ignorant thing I have heard in a long time.
If there's anything ignorant it's actually your post
You are making a basic logical error, maybe you were in a private school?
The point is not where these successful guys put their kids, the question is where did these successful guys get their education. According to public info, both the Novartis and Roche CEOs received their primary education in public schools. So, public school systems are obviously very capable of producing outstanding individuals.
Now, there's a whole other debate how much does schooling actually do given the fact that genetics seems to play a much stronger role in determining success / failure.
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Elon Musk lives in Basel? You really learn something new every day.
Considering the Narasimhan kids grew up for nearly a decade in the US a bilingual school can makle sense. It is certainly not a financial burden for the family. Also, if they will go to a US college later to do their undergrads. But the other CEO sends all of his three kids to public school. Is he a fool?
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